American Politics

[moof]

Yeah, we should be hoping. It’s a once in a generation (at least) opportunity to actually begin the transition to a political system that centres economic and social justice for all. It would be lovely if people were a little more enthused about that, but I suppose then they would have to drag themselves away from the bachelor finale to actually learn a bit about the issues and what’s at stake here. 

[TheHowieLama]

If it is a viable alternative why is it once in a generation (at least)?

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Bernie staying in and looking forward to the debate;

 

 

 

Thanks for the link, really glad he's staying in and hope he shows Biden up badly during the debate. Won't be surprised if they shit it and cancel it because they know he'll probably get trounced. You can pull this up if you want if/when the debate goes ahead to show how I'm wrong, fine. The DNC and establishment are that bad at this point though that I wouldn't put it past them so I'll happily say this now whilst hoping that I'm wrong and it goes ahead.

 

And very similar to Corbyn again in that he's destroying his opponent with the younger vote. He has the support, his ideas are supported by the majority of Dems in a lot of cases, but they don't think he's electable. I wonder if that has anything to do with the decades of conditioning from the mainstream media about the horrors of socialism and communism, driven by wealthy elites that know that Sanders' democratic socialism will lead to more equality and result in them paying more taxes.

 

Corbyn like Sanders would attempt to restore equality and fairness to the US but they'd rather support a corporate liar who'll just continue to make things worse for the majority of the country.

 

I bet Biden would get along greatly with the stupid cunt currently running this country. I bet he'll genuinely like him if elected and they'll have a lot in common. That's because Joe Biden is an absolute cunt who doesn't give a fuck about the population of the country he's trying to lead, can only blag his way becoming leader, and like Johnson, is best kept out of the media spotlight as much as possible so that people don't get a better idea of who he really is and what he represents.

 

If there's one thing we could sent over to the US if he wins this primary, as a gift to him in his attempt to beat Trump, maybe it could be a fucking fridge that he can hide in.

[Red Phoenix]

Land of the free.

 

 

[SasaS]

While the pensioners who were being ushered in without having to wait taunted them by silently mouthing bi-den, bi-den, bi-den.

 

 

[sir roger]

31 minutes ago, SasaS said:

While the pensioners who were being ushered in without having to wait taunted them by silently mouthing bi-den, bi-den, bi-den.

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully this Combat 18 thing wipes the old bastards out

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Red Phoenix]

Some good news for a change :

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

Oops. Thread :

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Red Phoenix]

The DNC are fucking sick.

 

 

[SasaS]

If Bernie is truly lagging 20 points behind as the polls claim, he cannot win and it may be a good moment now for him to quit, with the pandemic and all.

[sir roger]

He presumably thinks that his policies would help ordinary US citizens , particularly in such a crisis , far more than Biden's and definitely more than Private Bonespurs , so why would he jib it at this point ?

 

( p.s. I know you are desperate for him to lose to Biden , SaSaS , and are ready to adapt any situation to that end so not really expecting my above query clarified by you to be fair.)

[Jose Jones]

51 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

The DNC are fucking sick.

 

 

I don't really think it has to do with the DNC - the various state government's legislation details when the primaries have to take place.  So postponing them needs the government of each state to introduce new laws, and a some of the time those state govs are Republican.

The Ohio one got postponed only because the State Governor used some emergency legislative powers to do it.

[Red Phoenix]

28 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

I don't really think it has to do with the DNC - the various state government's legislation details when the primaries have to take place.  So postponing them needs the government of each state to introduce new laws, and a some of the time those state govs are Republican.

The Ohio one got postponed only because the State Governor used some emergency legislative powers to do it.

 

Five states have postponed now, not just Ohio. And the DNC have been threatening them with delegate penalties : https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/17/dnc-memo-primary-delays-could-result-delegate-reduction

 

Either way the contest is over now, Biden has won more states including Florida so Sanders isn't going to come back from that.

[Red Phoenix]

 

[Jose Jones]

11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Five states have postponed now, not just Ohio. And the DNC have been threatening them with delegate penalties : https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/17/dnc-memo-primary-delays-could-result-delegate-reduction

 

Either way the contest is over now, Biden has won more states including Florida so Sanders isn't going to come back from that.

Yeah, the other 5 states had time to vote in new legislature to postpone them, or the governors acted on emergency powers - they weren't postponed due to any actions by the democratic party. 

 

Pretty shonky wording for sure in that DNC communication - they appear to be in the still with head stuck in the sand mode.

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

59 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Yeah, the other 5 states had time to vote in new legislature to postpone them, or the governors acted on emergency powers - they weren't postponed due to any actions by the democratic party. 

 

Pretty shonky wording for sure in that DNC communication - they appear to be in the still with head stuck in the sand mode.

 

I think the DNC are a joke to be honest so stuff like that seems kind of normal and what I'd expect from them.

 

Biden vs Trump in debates is going to be horrific too. Hopefully funny in places as well though. It all seems so distant anyway with what's going on at the moment.

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

On 12/03/2020 at 00:35, moof said:

Why do you think they are comfortable propping up a system that is so destructive and cruel? Are the majority of people sociopaths? Or maybe there are some other reasons like RP alluded to 

well he does have a 4 bedroom house to protect, come the revolution, got to be a good tax - per certificate say

[Jose Jones]

26 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I think the DNC are a joke to be honest so stuff like that seems kind of normal and what I'd expect from them.

 

Biden vs Trump in debates is going to be horrific too. Hopefully funny in places as well though. It all seems so distant anyway with what's going on at the moment.

What's ironic is that Bernie has been doing well in the caucuses and primaries run by the DNC, but when it's more open primaries run by the states than Biden has been thrashing him.

[Red Phoenix]

6 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

What's ironic is that Bernie has been doing well in the caucuses and primaries run by the DNC, but when it's more open primaries run by the states than Biden has been thrashing him.

 

Could be because the more open ones have less of a paper trail so they're easier to rig.

 

Not sure if I'm joking or not. Maybe half joking?

[TheHowieLama]

It's still over.

[SasaS]

11 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

What's ironic is that Bernie has been doing well in the caucuses and primaries run by the DNC, but when it's more open primaries run by the states than Biden has been thrashing him.

 

That was the point I wanted to make to RP re rigging, the week ago Bernie won only in the "firehouse caucuses" state, before that his biggest win was in Nevada, another DNC organized caucus election. He won his own state and of the big scalps, California, but with less votes that initially expected. Everything else he lost, when it's a smaller margin, it's a state he was expected to win (Washington, Texas), when he loses he mostly loses big time. He does not have the black vote, which they say is crucial for Democrats.
 

13 hours ago, sir roger said:

He presumably thinks that his policies would help ordinary US citizens , particularly in such a crisis , far more than Biden's and definitely more than Private Bonespurs , so why would he jib it at this point ?

 

( p.s. I know you are desperate for him to lose to Biden , SaSaS , and are ready to adapt any situation to that end so not really expecting my above query clarified by you to be fair.)

Polls give it to Biden, delegate vote gives it to Biden, popular vote gives it to Biden, DNC wants Biden, if there is a brokered convention it is expected to go to Biden, there is a pandemic on, it's time to quit. Bernie cannot overturn it, if something happens to Biden, he will be the nominee, if he wanted to influence the policies of other candidates to move to the left, he has done this already. There is no other reason for him to insist on this, rather than his personal stubbornness and /or vanity.  It seems he will fight to help "ordinary US citizens" until the last ordinary US citizen.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Bernie has announced that he's going to "assess" his campaign, aka dropping out. 

 

 

[SasaS]

Tulsi is out. Apparently, she was still running.