Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Mudface]

It worked with Brown, he never really recovered from not calling an election in 2007 soon after he'd taken over from Blair. This just seems desperate though- wonder if the general public will see it for what it is- Johnson trying to save his own skin?

[Rico1304]

It seems the Conservatives didn’t have a licence to use the chicken photo.  

 

Talk about backfiring. 

[magicrat]

19 minutes ago, Mudface said:

It worked with Brown, he never really recovered from not calling an election in 2007 soon after he'd taken over from Blair. This just seems desperate though- wonder if the general public will see it for what it is- Johnson trying to save his own skin?

Most Brexiters will readily swallow the chicken Corbyn narrative and conveniently ignore the details.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

What the hell is going on here? Are we seriously arguing that a progressive income tax system is Marxist? Because if so, I’m out. 

"We" aren't.  Boss is.

[Dougie Do'ins]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

It seems the Conservatives didn’t have a licence to use the chicken photo.  

 

Talk about backfiring. 

Yep.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1169928730652733440

 

[Bjornebye]

2 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

Clucking bell.

Haha.

 

My second favourite ever game after Mario Kart is GTA San Andreas. Used to love getting called a skinny cunt in the street, shooting them then going to a clucking bell. Then shooting someone for calling me a fat cunt. Then going the bookies. 

[Strontium]

40 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Haha.

 

My second favourite ever game after Mario Kart is GTA San Andreas. Used to love getting called a skinny cunt in the street, shooting them then going to a clucking bell. Then shooting someone for calling me a fat cunt. Then going the bookies. 

 

I remember if you ate too many Cluckin Bells at once you would throw up. Top game.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I remember if you ate too many Cluckin Bells at once you would throw up. Top game.

Ha yeah then someone would tell you to lose weight and you'd shoot them. 

 

Might try and get an old PS2 and get that. Fuck me the music as well. 

[Juniper]

Imagine being a Tory 

[sir roger]

3 hours ago, Mudface said:

It worked with Brown, he never really recovered from not calling an election in 2007 soon after he'd taken over from Blair. This just seems desperate though- wonder if the general public will see it for what it is- Johnson trying to save his own skin?

It will be all over the right wing press for the next period but once the election is called nobody will even remember that it took an extra 3 or 4 weeks than first mooted. 

 

Brown was different in that he was in power and seen as clinging onto it undemocratically.

[Section_31]

Brown was also an intellectual powerhouse who's considered by many to have played a major role in saving the western world from another great depression, we could quite possibly have avoided recession altogether had the EU followed his lead and pumped money into infrastructure instead of closing Greek AIDS clinics to save 50 quid a day.

 

Johnson got a woman's sentence extended with a slip of the tongue, got fired for making up quotes and likes to call opponents a big girls blouse. He has never, ever done anything in politics that wasn't purely about his own interests. The fact any one could ever compare them both speaks volumes for how our media can make or break a career depending on the whims of its owners.

 

That the media were allowed to pull the chicanery they did (essentially bug his phoncalls to soldier's widows and the like) and manufacture multiple crises to replace him with the calculating subhumanity that was Cameron and Osborne to essentially destroy and sell off the public infrastructure of our entire country speaks volumes to how inept, lazy and generally stupid we are as s populace and why we deserve what we get.

[aRdja]

https://www.ft.com/content/6da72060-cfd2-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f

 

The UK’s failing economic model demands such bold ideas

From David Blanchflower and others

   

September 6, 2019 4:00 am

Your series of articles exploring the Labour party’s economic agenda fails to appreciate the severity of the UK’s current economic condition, and reproduces a number of misconceptions.

There is growing political consensus that the UK’s economic model is failing. The economy has been performing badly for more than a decade. Household debt has fuelled the meagre recovery from the crash of 2007-08. Earnings have stagnated, with many families borrowing to cover basic expenses; an estimated 8.3m people cannot keep up with debts or bills. The housing market is in crisis, with young people set to be poorer than their parents. Since the 1980s, the wealthiest have disproportionately benefitedfrom growth, driving high levels of political disillusionment. Action to prevent climate and environmental breakdown, and prepare for their effects, is wholly inadequate.

All political parties in the UK are proposing increases in public spending to meet these challenges. Your headline “Cost of Labour’s economic overhaul soars” (September 3) implies that Labour’s proposals are unaffordable, but the Office for Budget Responsibility analysis cited ignores the impact of public spending on growth, and thus on tax receipts. As senior IMF economists have noted in their critique of austerity, this relationship is critical. Today the government can borrow at negative real interest rates: many pressing infrastructure, education and environment projects offer returns well above zero and can therefore generate higher future tax receipts, supporting not detracting from fiscal sustainability. Taxation levels in the UK remain lower than in most European countries.

 

But reform of fiscal policy is not enough. Ownership of capital helps determine in whose interests the economy operates. It is a category error to suggest a mechanism such as an Inclusive Ownership Fund would “cost” companies or that the state will “seize” shares. The proposal neither reduces the book value of corporate entities, nor requires them to pay cash out. By requiring companies to issue new shares and give them to a mutual fund — mirroring the accepted practice of issuing shares for executive compensation — it ensures instead that workers share in the wealth they create.

The UK’s economic model has failed before. In both the 1940s and 1980s, major policy changes were made in response. At first seen as overly radical, they were later accepted across the political spectrum. Since 2008 the UK economy has again been failing, with today’s political crisis one of the consequences. This is precisely the time when bold ideas are needed from all political parties.

David Blanchflower
Professor of Economics, Dartmouth University; former Monetary Policy Committee member

Victoria Chick
Emeritus Professor of Economics, University College London

Stephany Griffith-Jones
Financial Markets Director, Initiative for Policy Dialogue, Columbia University; Emeritus Professorial Fellow, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex

Susan Himmelweit
Professor Emeritus of Economics, Open University

Sir Richard Jolly
Professor, Institute of Development Studies, University of Sussex; former Deputy Director of Unicef

Mariana Mazzucato
Professor in the Economics of Innovation & Public Value; Director, UCL Institute for Innovation & Public Purpose

Thomas Piketty
Professor, Paris School of Economics and EHESS

Dani Rodrik
Professor of Economics, Harvard University

On behalf of 82 signatories. The complete list of signatories is here

[Evelyn Tentions]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/sep/06/democracy-overboard-rupert-murdochs-long-war-on-australian-politics

 

 

Written by Kevin Rudd, ex PM of Australia, brought down by this toxic cunt but his points are just applicable to the UK.

[Barrington Womble]

19 hours ago, magicrat said:

Most Brexiters will readily swallow the chicken Corbyn narrative and conveniently ignore the details.

And some people are just plain ignorant. I was chatting with a bloke in work the other day, he's a smart bloke and far from stupid. But heard no more than the headlines and Twitter bites and was convinced Corbyn was bottling it, till I explained the Johnson plan and why labour and the other opposition parties are right to wait. Once I explained, he got it, but like many many people he was ignorant of the facts and the insanity in politics has turned many people off from following even the biggest stories. 

[Boss]

Brown was recorded saying "some old bigoted woman" to a woman that addressed immigration concerns to him. The city in question has seen it's immigration population double since Blair introduced open borders, and 70% of the school children speak English as a second language.

 

He had to drive all the way from London, to her house, to make a grovelling public apology and he got wiped out in the election because of it. Intellectual powerhouse indeed. Also, Brown's fiscal policies to handle the Market crash of the late 2000's were exactly the same as all Western countries. He printed and borrowed money. That's the extent of his genius in that regard.

[skend04]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

Brown was recorded saying "some old bigoted woman" to a woman that addressed immigration concerns to him. The city in question has seen it's immigration population double since Blair introduced open borders, and 70% of the school children speak English as a second language.

 

He had to drive all the way from London, to her house, to make a grovelling public apology and he got wiped out in the election because of it. Intellectual powerhouse indeed. Also, Brown's fiscal policies to handle the Market crash of the late 2000's were exactly the same as all Western countries. He printed and borrowed money. That's the extent of his genius in that regard.

Is a hung parliament a wipeout? Hyperbolic is an understatement. No point reading the rest of this post beyond that as it'll be more horseshit no doubt.

[Boss]

19 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Is a hung parliament a wipeout? Hyperbolic is an understatement. No point reading the rest of this post beyond that as it'll be more horseshit no doubt.

355 seats to 258 seats. A 97 seat loss. What else could you call it barre a wipeout? The Tories gained 108 seats. A wipeout is putting it mildly.

[Strontium]

She was a bigoted old woman. Brown was right.

[ZonkoVille77]

 

[cloggypop]

32 minutes ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

She was a bigoted old woman. Brown was right.

100% a Brexit voter

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The Tories are up in the polls released today. Largely due to a migration from the Brexit Party back to Tory. 

 

This country! 

[skend04]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

355 seats to 258 seats. A 97 seat loss. What else could you call it barre a wipeout? The Tories gained 108 seats. A wipeout is putting it mildly.

So still second biggest party in a hung parliament. A coalition wasn't on the ballot paper. Not a wipeout.

[Boss]

1 minute ago, skend04 said:

So still second biggest party in a hung parliament. A coalition wasn't on the ballot paper. Not a wipeout.

 

Clearly a wipeout. A loss of nearly 100 seats. Sorry but you're chatting pony here.

[Pureblood]

4 hours ago, Boss said:

Brown was recorded saying "some old bigoted woman" to a woman that addressed immigration concerns to him. The city in question has seen it's immigration population double since Blair introduced open borders, and 70% of the school children speak English as a second language.

Which city is it?

 

Edit:  a cursory bit of research informs me it's Rochdale.

 

Mrs Duffy's complaint to Mr Brown about Eastern Europeans – "where are they flocking from?" she asked– may highlight a growing unease nationally but the reality is there have been fewer in Rochdale than elsewhere.

In all, according to figures obtained from the Department for Work and Pensions, about 2,200 Eastern Europeans from the new member states have moved to the town since 2004 when the European Union expanded.

The rate of immigration from eastern Europe is only about half the UK average.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7663660/Rochdale-One-towns-story-of-immigration.html

[Pureblood]

The Telegraph:  more honest with the facts than Boss of TLW.