Liverpool Supporters' Union - SOS Response to Paul Tyrrell document

[Whelan]

Coro' date=' i've got to ask, you clearly see the worth in Jack Burton's mannered and non-judgmental post, so why continue with a posting style that seems the complete antithesis, particularly when it's on a subject that's important to you?

 

Can you not see how, by association, being on the aggressive with those who are part of a group that the union hopes to win support from will only alienate people from your cause?

 

Honestly, i like the idea of a prominent body such as this, but it just seems each time the subject is brought up in public or on forums, the detractors are belittled rather than won around. I just don't see how that fits in with anyone's view of socialism, let alone Shankly's.[/quote']

 

It has just decended into an argument, there is no discussionn taking place now - in all fairness that isn't just down to Coro and I think it would be wrong to lay all the blame at his feet. A quick glance at the tags can highlight that.

 

I think SOS do a great job, they have never said they speak for all Liverpool fans and the the way I see it - Hicks and Gillett proved that we needed a strong fan group, it is the one positive legacy from those two parasites - they formed out of necessity but it was a movement that has been necessary ever since 92.

[Coro]

Coro' date=' i've got to ask, you clearly see the worth in Jack Burton's mannered and non-judgmental post, so why continue with a posting style that seems the complete antithesis, particularly when it's on a subject that's important to you?

 

Can you not see how, by association, being on the aggressive with those who are part of a group that the union hopes to win support from will only alienate people from your cause?

 

Honestly, i like the idea of a prominent body such as this, but it just seems each time the subject is brought up in public or on forums, the detractors are belittled rather than won around. I just don't see how that fits in with anyone's view of socialism, let alone Shankly's.[/quote']

 

I've provided a polar opposite. Threads posted by Spirit of Shankly on here over the past few years have usually been met with derision. It's become pretty much the done thing, an insistence to show disrespect to other Liverpool supporters but the basis for that negativity is pretty superficial. Draw out the poison, realise it's impotent and maybe then we can focus on what's actually important. At the very least we can all read threads involving the union that are worth reading but who knows, something constructive may even occur.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

It has just decended into an argument, there is no discussionn taking place now - in all fairness that isn't just down to Coro and I think it would be wrong to lay all the blame at his feet. A quick glance at the tags can highlight that.

 

I think SOS do a great job, they have never said they speak for all Liverpool fans and the the way I see it - Hicks and Gillett proved that we needed a strong fan group, it is the one positive legacy from those two parasites - they formed out of necessity but it was a movement that has been necessary ever since 92.

 

I'm not laying blame, i fully expect arguments and name calling when it's not a matter of importance, but when it clearly has meaning to someone i just kinda expect more, particularly when the matter at hand relies on gaining fan support.

 

I've provided a polar opposite. Threads posted by Spirit of Shankly on here over the past few years have usually been met with derision. It's become pretty much the done thing, an insistence to show disrespect to other Liverpool supporters but the basis for that negativity is pretty superficial. Draw out the poison, realise it's impotent and maybe then we can focus on what's actually important. At the very least we can all read threads involving the union that are worth reading but who knows, something constructive may even occur.

 

Fair enough. Right now though, i reckon just quoting Jack Burton's post and calling it a day would be best for all concerned.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Jack burton is an ace user name from my favourite film. Yeahhhh.

[Biscao]

I'm not laying blame' date=' i fully expect arguments and name calling when it's not a matter of importance, but when it clearly has meaning to someone i just kinda expect more, particularly when the matter at hand relies on gaining [b']fan support[/b].

 

I think it's safe to say it hasn't increased in favor of SoS in the course of this thread.

[Coro]

but when it clearly has meaning to someone i just kinda expect more' date=' particularly when the matter at hand relies on gaining fan support.

[/quote']

 

Well, you gotta start somewhere. The union's stock wasn't particularly high on here beforehand. Mainly because of folk who are clearly not interested in being reasoned with when it comes to their views of the union. Challenge them with language they'll understand and we get to see just how shallow their reasons for disliking the union really are. Once that's been established then other folk have a better chance of discussing important issues without them being clouded by trivialities. With those on the fringes discarded folk in the middle can focus on the need for unity.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

It has just decended into an argument, there is no discussionn taking place now - in all fairness that isn't just down to Coro and I think it would be wrong to lay all the blame at his feet. A quick glance at the tags can highlight that.

 

I think SOS do a great job, they have never said they speak for all Liverpool fans and the the way I see it - Hicks and Gillett proved that we needed a strong fan group, it is the one positive legacy from those two parasites - they formed out of necessity but it was a movement that has been necessary ever since 92.

It s turned into a one man crusade calling out people who have a different opinion to his for not supporting a group set up which some people have justifiable reasons for not joining.

All that's happening now is I would imagine he is making people not want to join SOS solely based on his posts and making them sound like some sort of ethereal cult.

[Coro]

for not supporting a group set up which some people have justifiable reasons for not joining.al cult.

 

Go on, in your mind what trumps the need for greater supporter unity?

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

Go on, in your mind what trumps the need for greater supporter unity?

Ending world famine.

[Coro]

Another win for Coro.

[Jairzinho]

Good posts, Coro. Can't rep you again, unfortunately. Belter from Jack as well.

[Biscao]

Good posts, Coro.

 

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you like about them?

[Coro]

Good posts, Coro. Can't rep you again, unfortunately. Belter from Jack as well.

 

Thank you kind sir.

 

Jack certainly stole the thread with that post.

[Jairzinho]

Just out of curiosity, what exactly do you like about them?

 

I find them to be informative and, in parts, funny. Impressive in the face of about 30 people crying at him. He probably has been a little too aggressive, and at times out of line, but its not especially surprising considering the topic of discussion, and said amount of people arguing with him.

 

Whelan's first paragraph at the top of this page is fairly similar to my view.

[Tony Moanero]

It s turned into a one man crusade calling out people who have a different opinion to his for not supporting a group set up which some people have justifiable reasons for not joining.

All that's happening now is I would imagine he is making people not want to join SOS solely based on his posts and making them sound like some sort of ethereal cult.

 

My guess is that some people, who never had any intention of joining SOS or decided long ago that the Union wasn't for them, will have you believe this in order to make Coro look like a cunt.

[Bjornebye]

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

My guess is that some people, who never had any intention of joining SOS or decided long ago that the Union wasn't for them, will have you believe this in order to make Coro look like a cunt.

He put his point across about 8 pages back and like you said some people decided a long time ago sos wasn't for them for whatever reason. Nearly every poster has said they do a good job , so now he sure isn't helping either sos or himself having a go at anybody who isn't a member or dosent want to be a member. Plus when somebody does ask him a question like code did he dosent answer it but turns it into a attack on the person.

He still hasn't answered codes question properly about why they stopped with the protests when it was gathering momentum, I wonder why?

Actually I don't wonder why and really cant be arsed with all this anymore.

[Whelan]

It s turned into a one man crusade calling out people who have a different opinion to his for not supporting a group set up which some people have justifiable reasons for not joining.

All that's happening now is I would imagine he is making people not want to join SOS solely based on his posts and making them sound like some sort of ethereal cult.

 

I'm not saying I would have handled it the same way - but, Coro has been up against a number of posters, all of whom have been just as personal and just as argumentative, my perception has been that people are queing up to have a go - so I am assuming he is feeling it a little bit more keenly.

 

From my perspective (outside both 'groups') - how you can see Coro being representative of SOS and a negative and ignore the likes of Brian Reade and Pete Hooton, and Jay McKenna - suggest that you are looking for reasons not to join, more than reasons to join.

 

Nobody is backing off and conceding, despite both being wrong (in my opinion) in how they are approaching this. You can accept another persons point of view without agreeing with it.

[Coro]

He put his point across about 8 pages back and like you said some people decided a long time ago sos wasn't for them for whatever reason. Nearly every poster has said they do a good job , so now he sure isn't helping either sos or himself having a go at anybody who isn't a member or dosent want to be a member. Plus when somebody does ask him a question like code did he dosent answer it but turns it into a attack on the person.

He still hasn't answered codes question properly about why they stopped with the protests when it was gathering momentum, I wonder why?

Actually I don't wonder why and really cant be arsed with all this anymore.

 

Wow. What a sudden transition. This forum is now the go to place for all things positive regarding the union. My work is done.

 

Not once have I had a go at someone for not being a member. I have had a go at people for their attitudes towards the union. I've politely explained numerous times to Code that protests did continue.

 

I can only surmise that your corrective glasses are playing havoc with your reading skills.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

Wow. What a sudden transition. This forum is now the go to place for all things positive regarding the union. My work is done.

 

Not once have I had a go at someone for not being a member. I have had a go at people for their attitudes towards the union. I've politely explained numerous times to Code that protests did continue.

 

I can only surmise that your corrective glasses are playing havoc with your reading skills.

So your saying that neither Hicks or Benitez sent word through a third party anything about holding back with the protests to such a time or telling them not to do it when the match was being played.

Your 100% sure about this and if it helps it is around the time the manager took sides with one of the owners?

Because you not having a memory block or something.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

If your saying it didn't happen then fair enough mate it never happened obviously. Just needed it clarifying that nothing of that nature happened and it isn't something you might of forgotten about. If your 100% certain nothing like that happened that will do me.

[Coro]

I honestly don't know, don't care. Maybe take yourself to a meeting and ask the same questions. See how relevant you'll feel in doing so. See how far fretting over such trivialities gets you.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

I honestly don't know, don't care. Maybe take yourself to a meeting and ask the same questions. See how relevant you'll feel in doing so. See how far fretting over such trivialities gets you.

No need to go to any meeting to ask about it as any member of sos at the time could answer that question. I would of thought by the way your defending there honour so fanatically and honourable that you would of been all clued up regarding such matters.

So I take it your trying for brownie points and actually don't know a lot about the union?

So before you start defending something so obsessively as your doing I would advise you to actually know something that is documented involving something as important as this was. Have a great night and thanks for your insight.

[Major Tom]

Your work here is done, Coro.

 

It's been entertaining to read and I echo both Whelan and Jairzinho. I think you can sleep easy.

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

It is something that SOS could of kept quiet about but they had nothing to hide and it was them that actually made the incident public about Rafa asking them about the protests at the matches.

They probably could of said nothing but they didn't they came out and said what had happened and it is something I respect them for.