Does Rodgers deserve another season.

[Red Phoenix]

The silence is deafening isn't it?

 

I think they have just kicked the can a further six months down the road, hoping that either we get off to a flyer next season, or a bad start and either Klopp or Ancelotti becomes available at a time no one else is hiring, which will make the decision for them. When you're unsure of what you're doing, do nothing.

 

If they explain this review they'd have to back Rodgers publicly, and if it's true that they might be taking further responsibilities away from him it'd look hypocritical to do so.

 

Maybe we'll get a letter, or a few placatory lines about doing better, but I don't expect to ever hear much more. 

 

Could be right with that, and nope, don't expect to hear much either. Just think it's madness not to say anything at all, and disrespectful to the fans that Rodgers, the owners, etc, apparently care so much about.

[Red Phoenix]

BTW, I get that thinking they're no better than H&G is probably over the top, but what andyj said in the first part of his post is totally right for me. If they get a statement about their fucked up season, we should definitely get one too. Especially after our captain leaves to a 6-1 defeat at Stoke. They're really out of touch and it needs sorting out.

[andyj]

BTW, I get that thinking they're no better than H&G is probably over the top, but what andyj said in the first part of his post is totally right for me. If they get a statement about their fucked up season, we should definitely get one too. Especially after our captain leaves to a 6-1 defeat at Stoke. They're really out of touch and it needs sorting out.

out of touch  hits the nail on the head mate ......thats what they have become 

[Iceman]

The only way this is going to work is if we sign two outrageously talented forwards and outscore everyone again. The chances of this happening are fairly low I would say. I am looking forward to FSG selling up. 

[Sturro]

We already have one, his name is Daniel "Sturro" Sturridge you Muppet. Sign one more top class forward and were sorted

 

In Brendan we trust

[Red Phoenix]

We already have one, his name is Daniel "Sturro" Sturridge you Muppet. Sign one more top class forward and were sorted

 

In Brendan we trust

 

 

[Dr Nowt]

We already have one, his name is Daniel "Sturro" Sturridge you Muppet. Sign one more top class forward and were sorted

 

In Brendan we trust

Negged for not at least getting 'Studge' right in the pisstake, you empty Manc twat.

[Gym Beglin]

RIP Liverpool F.C.

 

YNWA

[RedKnight]

It's become pretty obvious in recent weeks that Henry is not the front man for FSG when it comes to Liverpool anymore. It's Mike Gordon, and Werner behind him, who deal with Liverpool whilst Henry and Luccino look after the Red Sox. Henry's probably fed up of weird internet reds tweeting him to "sign MATAS sell ALLEN hesshit" all the time.

[gkmacca]

I'd get Bellamy on the coaching staff. He wants to coach, he loves the club, he's been supportive of Rodgers in the past and he wouldn't stand for the kind of slackers who sleptwalked through those last few games of the season.

[Russ Atmosphere]

Him and Riise.

[Arl arse]

With a seven iron.

[marcus50bucks]

LIVERPOOL: WITHOUT AUTHORITY BRENDAN RODGERS IS SUNK

 

by Roy Henderson // 4 June 2015 // 21 Comments

 

SO Brendan Rodgers remains the manager of Liverpool Football Club. We wish him well, and cross our fingers. But me? I think he’s sunk. Before he starts, I mean — he’s sunk. “Why?”, I hear you ask. Well, if a manager is going to lead, he has to have authority. And right now, I’m not sure he has it. Players, fans, media — does anyone feel confident in his mandate?

 

A manager must lead. And to lead, he needs the consent of those who are supposed to follow him. To do that at Liverpool, right now, after everything that’s just gone on, he needs authority. His authority must be beyond question. And there’s the rub. You see, on the day he walked through the door, the club sowed seeds of doubt that would ultimately germinate and undermine his authority. The seedlings continue to grow.

 

Authority is in the eye of the beholder — if we perceive it, he can achieve it. A clever man called Max Weber once theorised that there are three routes to that perception. So over to Max.

 

Route 1: Charismatic Authority

 

With ‘charismatic authority’, the leader has authority because the followers want him to lead them. Rodgers is a naturally likeable, charismatic man, and — whether consciously or not — he set about asserting this kind of authority the moment he came through the door, talking in rich metaphors, and even using pseudo religious language, for example saying about Lucas Leiva: “He’s one of the disciples I would say, he understands totally what we’re doing.” He spent part of his early career working closely with Jose Mourinho, and it’s clear he learned a few things in that respect. If it hadn’t been for Being Liverpool, there’s a chance the feel-good factor around him would have been near unanimous. His man management was good, the senior players liked him and bought into his methods (just Google for quotes from Suarez and Gerrard), and half way into the second season, the away fans really started getting behind him too — we all know the song. Those things are significant: they bolster a manager’s position.

 

Route 2: Rational-Legal Authority

 

Most football managers operate in this category. With ‘rational-legal authority’, the leader is backed by a ‘mandate’, bestowed by an accepted source of power that everyone accepts. That mandate might be based on fear, the grudging acceptance of a democratic outcome (give me a moment while I wipe the tear from my eye), or the collective preservation of interconnected vested interest (see Sepp Blatter for maybe the best example we’ve seen of this in recent times). With ‘rational-legal authority’, there are rules and routines that the followers all subscribe to, grudgingly or otherwise, and the leader leads in accordance with those rules.

 

Against that backdrop, a manager can expect at least a brief spell in charge: the people with the power appoint them, set out the rules and tell them what’s expected of them, and after a spell, if they haven’t delivered, the authority will eventually be withdrawn. The white hankies come out, the dreaded vote of confidence gets passed, fans start shouting at each other in the stands and on social media… we all know the pattern well enough by now.

 

So what was Brendan’s mandate? And what were the rules? Well, Rodgers came in with what seemed as clear a mandate as any Liverpool manager has had in recent times. The Chairman and Managing Director rolled out the reddest of red carpets, with a press conference talking of a new era of “attacking, relentless football”. This followed the most public of private pursuits in living memory, with rebukes for Dave Whelan, lattes with Martinez, and Rodgers supposedly rejecting the job three times before accepting. He wouldn’t work with a Director Of Football, you see.

 

But there, lurking beneath the surface, lay the seeds of doubt: Liverpool told him there would be no Director of Football; but the reality would prove from the outset to be very different — it just turned out to be a Committee rather than a single person.

 

The second crucial aspect was acceptance on the part of those he was supposed to lead. That includes the fans. Did we, the fans, accept it? Rodgers’ appointment was set against the backdrop of an ignominious sacking for possibly the second most significant figure in the club’s history and, not only that — they did it after he’d won the club’s first trophy in six years.

 

It’s fair to say that some weren’t convinced, and it would barely have mattered who took the helm, let alone someone who had never won a trophy beyond the Football League Championship Play-Offs in his career. Being Liverpool compounded things — some set out into the new era with an agenda, and the “Brenton Rodgers” meme became a convenient stick to beat him with.

 

So Brendan’s mandate was relatively strong; but the seeds of doubt were sewn the day he took the job — all it took was a change in the weather for the seeds to germinate and take root.

 

Route 3: Traditional Authority

 

We won’t spend long on this one. With ‘traditional authority’, you see, the leader has authority because it’s become routine — no one questions — everyone just accepts it. Only a handful of managers in the history of the game have ever achieved that kind of security (for example, Shankly, Paisley and Ferguson) and even then, it all still relied on them continuing to meet expectations, or for them to massage them down to sustainable levels (for example, Clough and McLean). It’s doubtful any manager will get close to this again, albeit Wenger comes close.

 

So back to Brendan. In his early months in the job, he proved himself adept at bolstering his authority — taking potential challenges in his stride. He engineered Andy Carroll’s departure gracefully, and quickly shifted out players he didn’t see as fitting in with his style. His handling of Jamie Carragher’s final year at the club was exemplary — the player never having a bad word to say about the man, and when Luis Suarez agitated for a move, he proved himself firm and resolute, the player despatched to train with the reserves. Meanwhile, we all saw his handling of young players, albeit possibly in too much detail (again, thanks to Being Liverpool). The man could handle people, albeit sometimes in an overly touchy feely way.

 

Rodgers did as much as he feasibly could to bolster his authority. His relationship with the majority of the media was strong, and he demonstrated his charisma at every turn. And then, of course, 2013-14 happened. There were doubts, but from White Hart Lane on, performances on the park blew them away. Or so we thought. We’re fickle buggers, aren’t we?

 

You see, the doubts continued to grow. His stated mandate, unveiled amidst great fanfare, was as clear as mud. In fact, you might go as far as to say it was a tissue of lies. He had no Director of Football, that much was true; but still he found himself directed and fettered. A manager lives and dies by his work in the transfer market, it’s often said, but the summer of 2014 betrayed the fetters that the club had put in place — reasonable fetters had they been explicitly stated and agreed to at the outset, of course, but there was the rub — they’d never been explicitly agreed to.

 

And so season 2014-15 started, and we all know the story from there. Fast forward to Madrid… then Juan Mata… then Wembley… then The Britannia. Fast forward to two weeks of speculation, with deafening silence from the very men his perceived authority relies upon. Fast forward to coordinated briefings to newspapers on the ongoing pursuit of transfer targets (“You mean we’re signing players? Who’s making the decisions?”). Fast forward to a trip to Boston… or would the Bostonians come to Liverpool? Nobody really knew. And then they arrived, and the self same papers told us in unison that a plan had been written. Nobody knew who wrote it, or what was in it. Nobody knew the direction the club was going to take. But the manager ‘was safe’.

 

Ian Herbert went further, saying, “Rodgers has signed up to plans which have been laid for an improvement.” That hinted at the manager having passively agreed to a fundamental change in his mandate — the terms of his role. But nobody was told how it would work.

 

We’d seen talk of them explicitly imposing a Director of Football structure upon him, in direct contravention of the terms of his acceptance in 2012. So where does that leave Rodgers? Nobody really knows.

 

And there’s the rub. If they’re going to change the terms of his mandate, where does that leave our perception of his authority? Do we feel he’s in a position to lead the club forward? Raheem Sterling agitates for a move away, Balotelli continues with his naughtiness, and as things stand, it doesn’t look like Rodgers fancies half his squad in the first place. So how are the players supposed to see things? And by extension, how are we? Perception is everything, and the minute doubts come in, we have a problem.

 

The players, fans and media smell blood, and because of that, there is zero margin for error as we go into the new season.

 

It’s for that reason I think he’s sunk. Things will inevitably dip — and the minute that happens, the knives will come out  in earnest this time. We don’t see Gordon and Werner doing a Silvio Berlusconi, do we? Berlusconi put the fear of God into the AC Milan players and told them — you do what he tells you or you’re out. Look what happened there — that’s a clear mandate.

 

As it stands, Rodgers needs something similar, or we’ll be looking for another manager by Christmas.

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/06/liverpool-without-authority-brendan-rodgers-sunk/?wt=4

[ngogswilly]

The only way this is going to work is if we sign two outrageously talented forwards and outscore everyone again. The chances of this happening are fairly low I would say. I am looking forward to FSG selling up. 

 

Pretty much. 

[thompsonsnose]

So he's chucked Marsh under the bus has he?

I dont like this guy, i never have. Blarney merchant.

"Shupportersh".

Fuck off.

[Anubis]

Roy Henderson doesn't half write some shite. And he needs to sort that moustache out too.

 

How could Rodgers be unsuspectiny fettered by a transfer committee he knew he was coming to work with?

[VladimirIlyich]

We already have one, his name is Daniel "Sturro" Sturridge you Muppet. Sign one more top class forward and were sorted

 

In Brendan we trust

Who?

[dennis tooth]

Werner flies in

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6f6qRwp8YwE

[Ranxerox]

Zombie thread

[Arl arse]

Zombie thread

For a Zombie manager, who's eating his colleagues.

[Pureblood]

I dont like this guy, i never have. 

 

Reallllllllllllllllllllllllllly?  

[therevivalist]

 

LIVERPOOL: WITHOUT AUTHORITY BRENDAN RODGERS IS SUNK

 

by Roy Henderson // 4 June 2015 // 21 Comments

 

SO Brendan Rodgers remains the manager of Liverpool Football Club. We wish him well, and cross our fingers. But me? I think he’s sunk. Before he starts, I mean — he’s sunk. “Why?”, I hear you ask. Well, if a manager is going to lead, he has to have authority. And right now, I’m not sure he has it. Players, fans, media — does anyone feel confident in his mandate?

 

A manager must lead. And to lead, he needs the consent of those who are supposed to follow him. To do that at Liverpool, right now, after everything that’s just gone on, he needs authority. His authority must be beyond question. And there’s the rub. You see, on the day he walked through the door, the club sowed seeds of doubt that would ultimately germinate and undermine his authority. The seedlings continue to grow.

 

Authority is in the eye of the beholder — if we perceive it, he can achieve it. A clever man called Max Weber once theorised that there are three routes to that perception. So over to Max.

 

Route 1: Charismatic Authority

 

With ‘charismatic authority’, the leader has authority because the followers want him to lead them. Rodgers is a naturally likeable, charismatic man, and — whether consciously or not — he set about asserting this kind of authority the moment he came through the door, talking in rich metaphors, and even using pseudo religious language, for example saying about Lucas Leiva: “He’s one of the disciples I would say, he understands totally what we’re doing.” He spent part of his early career working closely with Jose Mourinho, and it’s clear he learned a few things in that respect. If it hadn’t been for Being Liverpool, there’s a chance the feel-good factor around him would have been near unanimous. His man management was good, the senior players liked him and bought into his methods (just Google for quotes from Suarez and Gerrard), and half way into the second season, the away fans really started getting behind him too — we all know the song. Those things are significant: they bolster a manager’s position.

 

Route 2: Rational-Legal Authority

 

Most football managers operate in this category. With ‘rational-legal authority’, the leader is backed by a ‘mandate’, bestowed by an accepted source of power that everyone accepts. That mandate might be based on fear, the grudging acceptance of a democratic outcome (give me a moment while I wipe the tear from my eye), or the collective preservation of interconnected vested interest (see Sepp Blatter for maybe the best example we’ve seen of this in recent times). With ‘rational-legal authority’, there are rules and routines that the followers all subscribe to, grudgingly or otherwise, and the leader leads in accordance with those rules.

 

Against that backdrop, a manager can expect at least a brief spell in charge: the people with the power appoint them, set out the rules and tell them what’s expected of them, and after a spell, if they haven’t delivered, the authority will eventually be withdrawn. The white hankies come out, the dreaded vote of confidence gets passed, fans start shouting at each other in the stands and on social media… we all know the pattern well enough by now.

 

So what was Brendan’s mandate? And what were the rules? Well, Rodgers came in with what seemed as clear a mandate as any Liverpool manager has had in recent times. The Chairman and Managing Director rolled out the reddest of red carpets, with a press conference talking of a new era of “attacking, relentless football”. This followed the most public of private pursuits in living memory, with rebukes for Dave Whelan, lattes with Martinez, and Rodgers supposedly rejecting the job three times before accepting. He wouldn’t work with a Director Of Football, you see.

 

But there, lurking beneath the surface, lay the seeds of doubt: Liverpool told him there would be no Director of Football; but the reality would prove from the outset to be very different — it just turned out to be a Committee rather than a single person.

 

The second crucial aspect was acceptance on the part of those he was supposed to lead. That includes the fans. Did we, the fans, accept it? Rodgers’ appointment was set against the backdrop of an ignominious sacking for possibly the second most significant figure in the club’s history and, not only that — they did it after he’d won the club’s first trophy in six years.

 

It’s fair to say that some weren’t convinced, and it would barely have mattered who took the helm, let alone someone who had never won a trophy beyond the Football League Championship Play-Offs in his career. Being Liverpool compounded things — some set out into the new era with an agenda, and the “Brenton Rodgers” meme became a convenient stick to beat him with.

 

So Brendan’s mandate was relatively strong; but the seeds of doubt were sewn the day he took the job — all it took was a change in the weather for the seeds to germinate and take root.

 

Route 3: Traditional Authority

 

We won’t spend long on this one. With ‘traditional authority’, you see, the leader has authority because it’s become routine — no one questions — everyone just accepts it. Only a handful of managers in the history of the game have ever achieved that kind of security (for example, Shankly, Paisley and Ferguson) and even then, it all still relied on them continuing to meet expectations, or for them to massage them down to sustainable levels (for example, Clough and McLean). It’s doubtful any manager will get close to this again, albeit Wenger comes close.

 

So back to Brendan. In his early months in the job, he proved himself adept at bolstering his authority — taking potential challenges in his stride. He engineered Andy Carroll’s departure gracefully, and quickly shifted out players he didn’t see as fitting in with his style. His handling of Jamie Carragher’s final year at the club was exemplary — the player never having a bad word to say about the man, and when Luis Suarez agitated for a move, he proved himself firm and resolute, the player despatched to train with the reserves. Meanwhile, we all saw his handling of young players, albeit possibly in too much detail (again, thanks to Being Liverpool). The man could handle people, albeit sometimes in an overly touchy feely way.

 

Rodgers did as much as he feasibly could to bolster his authority. His relationship with the majority of the media was strong, and he demonstrated his charisma at every turn. And then, of course, 2013-14 happened. There were doubts, but from White Hart Lane on, performances on the park blew them away. Or so we thought. We’re fickle buggers, aren’t we?

 

You see, the doubts continued to grow. His stated mandate, unveiled amidst great fanfare, was as clear as mud. In fact, you might go as far as to say it was a tissue of lies. He had no Director of Football, that much was true; but still he found himself directed and fettered. A manager lives and dies by his work in the transfer market, it’s often said, but the summer of 2014 betrayed the fetters that the club had put in place — reasonable fetters had they been explicitly stated and agreed to at the outset, of course, but there was the rub — they’d never been explicitly agreed to.

 

And so season 2014-15 started, and we all know the story from there. Fast forward to Madrid… then Juan Mata… then Wembley… then The Britannia. Fast forward to two weeks of speculation, with deafening silence from the very men his perceived authority relies upon. Fast forward to coordinated briefings to newspapers on the ongoing pursuit of transfer targets (“You mean we’re signing players? Who’s making the decisions?”). Fast forward to a trip to Boston… or would the Bostonians come to Liverpool? Nobody really knew. And then they arrived, and the self same papers told us in unison that a plan had been written. Nobody knew who wrote it, or what was in it. Nobody knew the direction the club was going to take. But the manager ‘was safe’.

 

Ian Herbert went further, saying, “Rodgers has signed up to plans which have been laid for an improvement.” That hinted at the manager having passively agreed to a fundamental change in his mandate — the terms of his role. But nobody was told how it would work.

 

We’d seen talk of them explicitly imposing a Director of Football structure upon him, in direct contravention of the terms of his acceptance in 2012. So where does that leave Rodgers? Nobody really knows.

 

And there’s the rub. If they’re going to change the terms of his mandate, where does that leave our perception of his authority? Do we feel he’s in a position to lead the club forward? Raheem Sterling agitates for a move away, Balotelli continues with his naughtiness, and as things stand, it doesn’t look like Rodgers fancies half his squad in the first place. So how are the players supposed to see things? And by extension, how are we? Perception is everything, and the minute doubts come in, we have a problem.

 

The players, fans and media smell blood, and because of that, there is zero margin for error as we go into the new season.

 

It’s for that reason I think he’s sunk. Things will inevitably dip — and the minute that happens, the knives will come out  in earnest this time. We don’t see Gordon and Werner doing a Silvio Berlusconi, do we? Berlusconi put the fear of God into the AC Milan players and told them — you do what he tells you or you’re out. Look what happened there — that’s a clear mandate.

 

As it stands, Rodgers needs something similar, or we’ll be looking for another manager by Christmas.

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/06/liverpool-without-authority-brendan-rodgers-sunk/?wt=4

 

Ha ha he needs the consent of the people and doesn't have it. Dead man walking Brendan; Marsh gone and now Pascoe, who next? OF course him. But what amazes me here is the behaviour of FSG, sacking his lieutenants and leaving the chief alone. They've their mysterious ways those FSG men, don't they!

[marcus50bucks]

Out-of-work Jurgen Klopp looms large over Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers

 

THE shadow of Jurgen Klopp continues to hang over Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers after the German coach's agent specified he would be prepared to take charge of English clubs outside the top four.

 

By PAUL JOYCE

PUBLISHED: 22:30, Tue, Jun 9, 2015 | UPDATED: 22:35, Tue, Jun 9, 2015

 

Liverpool have insisted Rodgers' position as manager is safe, but the departures of Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh from his coaching staff have served to raise doubts as to his long-term future.

 

Klopp is taking a sabbatical after leaving Borussia Dortmund, although it is understood Liverpool is one club that could a change of heart.

 

And his agent, Marc Kosicke, did little to counter that by indicating Klopp would consider an English club outside the Champions League, while highlighting the importance of an ownership model that would ensure he does not become bogged down in negotiating transfers.

 

Liverpool's transfer group works in tandem with Rodgers at present and is close to securing Bolton goalkeeper Adam Bogdan on a free transfer.

 

"The Premier League is very exciting," said Kosicke.

 

"And we do not only think about the top four because there are some other great clubs below them. But I am not sure the profile of the job could work.

 

"In Germany there is a clear separation between manager and sporting director and I think in principle this is very good.

 

"Jurgen does not like to speak to player's agents or to carry out a transfer. So we have to see which is the most useful arrangement.

 

"It is always all about the challenge.

 

"When Jurgen signed for Dortmund there were other clubs who had better prestige and were in better financial mood at this time. Nevertheless he decided for Dortmund.

 

"He has the great ability to develop things.

 

"If he goes into a stadium, feels the energy and thinks that he can make a difference here, this could be more attractive to him than going with the big deals and aim for the treble."

 

Rodgers finds himself under intense pressure following a campaign which fell short of expectations and it is not simply who fills the vacancies in his backroom staff, but by what process they are appointed, which is now intriguing.

 

Former defender Sami Hyypia is keen for a role, but no appointment is imminent.

 

Liverpool will continue to look to bolster their squad for next season, although the signing of Bogdan before the end of the week does not feel like the sort of deal that will push current No1 Simon Mignolet.

 

James Milner and Danny Ings join on July 1, while discussions over Aston Villa's Christian Benteke and Southampton's Nathaniel Clyne continue.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/583309/Jurgen-Klopp-Liverpool-Brendan-Rodgers

[El Dangerous]

Klopp would have a problem with us signing that shit ginger keeper because he doesn't like to get Bogdan in transfer business.

[Nightcat]

He is a YESman!

 

Para para para para para beeee para para bope! para para bope! be para para bope! para para bope! A YESman be para para bope! para para bope!