Israel president Shimon Peres accuses Britain of pro-Arab bias

[Whelan]

I guess everyone who has had cause to dislike them over the last 2,000 years then is an anti-semite.

 

Why did the Nazi's persecute Jews? Because the Nazi's were bullies and horrid and (they were, but they didn't just decide to pwn the Jews just for fun). They blamed them for the problems in Germany after WW1. They were not to blame for all of post-WW1 Germany's problems but when you round together and ensure when it comes to trade and commerce there are two rates - one for other Jews and a higher rate for gentiles (non-Jews) - you can expect the locals to get a little pissed off.

 

So, further to what I was saying, given the above - conniving and playing the victim IS still the order of the day when it comes down to it.

 

Oh do fuck off you bigot!

 

And nobody plays the victim better than the White Anglo Saxon protestant!

[sh#t waffle]

This thread is a fucking disgrace.

[Pony Princess]

This thread is a fucking disgrace.

 

Yeah, bit racist? Lets go have a look at the tags and such on the Kenny Huang thread.

 

Double standard much, folks?

[sh#t waffle]

Explain how any of those tags equate with either holocaust denial/'revisionism' or stating that if it did happen, they pretty much deserved it?

[Stu Monty]

Wow.

 

I mean, I think that the state of Israel's behaviour is a disgrace, I think that there's a lot of jews who back its actions that are also a disgrace, but...I mean...it takes some serious retardation to extend that dislike to the point where you just pretend that millions of jews weren't slaughtered.

 

Takes some serious cuntery. I think that trying to convince Holocaust deniers about the facts is a little pointless; why waste time on people so clearly set upon their hugely flawed perspective?

[Pony Princess]

Wow.

 

I mean, I think that the state of Israel's behaviour is a disgrace, I think that there's a lot of jews who back its actions that are also a disgrace, but...I mean...it takes some serious retardation to extend that dislike to the point where you just pretend that millions of jews weren't slaughtered.

 

Just to be clear, I don't agree with Irish Lad and I didn't say the Holocaust didn't happen. I just believe conniving and then playing the victim has worked out well for them. Thats my opinion and if you disagree, Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

 

I'm a gay lib voting leftie type but I just ain't down with the Jews. I don't like quiche either - its not the end of the world.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

that has been well and truly proven without a shadow of doubt.

 

Obviously definitive proof is hard to find

 

I think those two posts tells us all we need to know about you, Irishlad.

 

"Holocaust" numbers -

 

2000 days X 24 hours X 60 minutes X 60 seconds

 

That is 172,800,000 seconds

 

Divided by 6,000,000

 

One Jew, identified, detained, "arrested", transported, killed, and body disposed of every 30 seconds. Not very likely now, is it?

 

I'm pretty sure those maths are correct.

 

You're not sure of anything, you fucking arsehole.

 

Since there is actually zero evidence of any holocaust what so ever

 

Are you even for real? Are you on some sort of wind-up? No evidence?

[Irishlad]

Pretty decent article on the subject

 

Within five minutes, any intelligent, open-minded person can be convinced that the Holocaust gassings of World War II are a profitable hoax.

 

Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

 

In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.

 

The structural integrity of these "gas chambers" is also extremely faulty. These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed! There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed.

 

Though six million Jews supposedly died in the gas chambers, not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning. We have been shown piles of bodies from World War II, but most of these persons died of typhus or starvation or Allied bombings and a great many of those were murdered Germans, not Jews. Roughly the equivalent of ten football fields should be packed full of gassed bodies to present as evidence, yet not one body has ever been discovered.

 

The Germans documented everything in meticulous detail from shrubbery to arbors, but no pre-war or wartime plans or documents exist that detail or even mention any gas chambers for reasons of genocide. All documents ever presented were drawn up AFTER the war.

 

Even if we threw away all the evidence and accounted for every so-called gas chamber, it would have taken 68 YEARS to accomplish gassing six million Jews!

 

Even The Diary of Anne Frank is a hoax. Portions of the diary were written with a ball point pen. These pens were not in use at the time Anne Frank lived.

 

It is not denied concentration camps existed. Tragically, many died of typhus or starvation, as often happens in such situations. There is, however, no evidence that any gassings occurred for the reasons of genocide.

 

Israel continues to receive trillions of dollars worldwide as retribution for Holocaust gassings. Our country has donated more money to Israel than to any other country in the history of the world -- over $35 billion per year, everything included. If not for our extravagantly generous gifts to Israel, every family in America could afford a brand new Mercedes Benz. Surely the American people would be outraged if they realized their hard-earned money is being squandered in these difficult times.

 

With all this money at stake for Israel, it is easy to comprehend why this Holocaust hoax is so secretly guarded. The Jewish name for Holocaust is "Shoah." In Zionist circles, it is known as "Shoah Business." If nothing else, this unbelievable coverup demonstrates the irrepressible Zionist influence and control of our country. Their only defense against the facts is to cry out "antisemitic," "Skinhead" or "Nazi," whereas the majority of those who question the Holocaust are ordinary citizens...though you would never know it from the media.

 

In whatever way you can, please help shatter this profitable myth. It is time we stop sacrificing America's welfare for the sake of Israel and spend our hard-earned dollars on Americans.

 

Is the Holocaust a Hoax?

[FrenchEyeGlass]

Irish lad, fuck off. Ignorant cunt.

 

I fucking hate, detest, loath Isreal as a county.

 

Israel have always responded to any critisicm with self-righteous indignation and cries of anti-semitism. Snore. They continue to point to the holocaust to rationalise their acts of terror, because as the 'Chosen People' they are, by definition, incapable of evil. Fuck off. Its morally repugnant, and that oh so common case of isreali exceptionism.

 

The holocaust happened. and it was probably worse than anybody here could ever imagine.

 

but they're still one hell of a cuntish country. and so are a lot of jews i've come across. not all ofcourse - just the most i've come across.

[dirty_sanchez]

I genuinely can't believe some of the stuff being said on this thread.

[Pony Princess]

Irish lad, fuck off. Ignorant cunt.

 

I fucking hate, detest, loath Isreal as a county.

 

Israel have always responded to any critisicm with self-righteous indignation and cries of anti-semitism. Snore. They continue to point to the holocaust to rationalise their acts of terror, because as the 'Chosen People' they are, by definition, incapable of evil. Fuck off. Its morally repugnant, and that oh so common case of isreali exceptionism.

 

Where is the rep button. This is how I feel except.. I sound like a bigot when I try to explain how I feel about the Jews :wallbutt: Well said.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I'm a gay lib voting leftie type but I just ain't down with the Jews. I don't like quiche either - its not the end of the world.

 

Being in a minority yourself, surely you should be painfully aware that prejudging people on one similarity is, besides being totally inaccurate, a horrible thing to do.

 

You questioned the reasoning behind the slaughter of Jews. The answer is the same as for the rest of the people they tried to wipe out. Be they Polish, Jehovah's witnesses, the disabled, the gays, and, likely a great many of my decedents, the Romani people.

[Strontium]

Just to be clear, I don't agree with Irish Lad and I didn't say the Holocaust didn't happen. I just believe conniving and then playing the victim has worked out well for them.

 

 

What's this about "playing" the victim? There wasn't any playing involved, these people were systematically murdered - they are victims.

[Captain]

Where is this denial? I've said the six million figure was lies (which it was) Revisionism not denial

 

Since there is actually zero evidence of any holocaust what so ever, that isn't bad at all.

 

You tried to hold back but really couldn't, eh?

 

That kind of lack of restraint is pretty poor.

[Stu Monty]

Irishlad in "Not being right about anything, ever" shocker.

 

Creationism - Tick

No Holocaust - Tick

Arcade Fire are shit - Tick

 

It's consistent, I'll give you that.

[Pony Princess]

Being in a minority yourself, surely you should be painfully aware that prejudging people on one similarity is, besides being totally inaccurate, a horrible thing to do.

 

Fair play, you are right. If quiche had been around in WW2 i would have been done for. I try to keep my dislike for it a secret but sometimes I feel like I am not being true to myself. Living a lie sucks :(

[FrenchEyeGlass]

What's this about "playing" the victim? There wasn't any playing involved, these people were systematically murdered - they are victims.

 

They certainly are. I think Chicken isn't expressing himself properly.

 

The Isreali people suffered a terrible terrible act of terror and I can't imagine anybody would want to play that down or not understand the impact it has had on the Jewish people.

 

However, quite hypocritically, Isreal as a nation have commited some of the most disgusting crimes to humanity you can speak of. Yet, they excuse themselves of any blame when confronted, because as I said earlier, of their ignorance and arrogance. In regards to Palestine, I think it would be fair to say that they are acting most similarly like that Nazi which they refer to when justifying their own existance.

 

They are a horribly arrogant nation (politically. I dont mean everybody in the nation is horrible, or that every jew is horrible), and the world needs to make them accountable for their actions.

 

EDIT. So yes. I am anti Isreali.

[Guest James D]

<inserts Walter Sobchak reference and picture>

[JER]

Hand Irishlad a ban and maybe we can get back to the original thread discussion? He is more in the red than Pompey so it is only a matter of time.

[Irishlad]

Hand Irishlad a ban and maybe we can get back to the original thread discussion? He is more in the red than Pompey so it is only a matter of time.

 

That's the typical way to deal with anyone that questions the holocaust. Just brush it away without answering the cold hard facts. No bodies have ever shown any signs of poisoning. This is a fact.

[Strontium]

However, quite hypocritically, Isreal as a nation have commited some of the most disgusting crimes to humanity you can speak of. Yet, they excuse themselves of any blame when confronted, because as I said earlier, of their ignorance and arrogance. In regards to Palestine, I think it would be fair to say that they are acting most similarly like that Nazi which they refer to when justifying their own existance.

 

 

Israel is a racist state (albeit one surrounded by states that are at least as bad) but I think it is somewhat hyperbolic to say they have acted like Nazis. Even if some on the Israeli far right wanted to systematically exterminate Palestinian Arabs, they wouldn't get away with it.

[Captain]

Irishlad in "Not being right about anything, ever" shocker.

 

Creationism - Tick

No Holocaust - Tick

Arcade Fire are shit - Tick

 

It's consistent, I'll give you that.

 

I admire your willingness to remember/look that shit up.

 

Too bad I can't rep you, Stu.

[moogy]

Where is the rep button. This is how I feel except.. I sound like a bigot when I try to explain how I feel about the Jews :wallbutt: Well said.

 

The "Jews." It's difficult not to see you as a bigot. Have you met many Jews? And you certainly can't come back with 'what I meant was Israelis and the government.' You clearly chose the words you wanted to use.

 

This thread is absolutely abhorrent.

 

I've just come back from an evening at Synagogue. Contrary to some belief I suspect on here, we didn't spend the evening talking about Hollywood, the banking industry and the ways in which we get into positions of power to influence western nations.

 

I am a zionist but I firmly believe in a two state solution and a humanitarian end to Palestinian suffering. Most Jews would agree with this.

 

Irishlad and Manicss01 along with the poster quoted above, I am surprised that you even know how to use a computer. And it's ISRAEL, not Isreal.

[Stu Monty]

The "Jews." It's difficult not to see you as a bigot. Have you met many Jews? And you certainly can't come back with 'what I meant was Israelis and the government.' You clearly chose the words you wanted to use.

 

This thread is absolutely abhorrent.

 

I've just come back from an evening at Synagogue. Contrary to some belief I suspect on here, we didn't spend the evening talking about Hollywood, the banking industry and the ways in which we get into positions of power to influence western nations.

 

I am a zionist but I firmly believe in a two state solution and a humanitarian end to Palestinian suffering. Most Jews would agree with this.

 

Irishlad and Manicss01 along with the poster quoted above, I am surprised that you even know how to use a computer. And it's ISRAEL, not Isreal.

 

Not sure about that. Open to being proven wrong with facts though.

[moogy]

Not sure about that. Open to being proven wrong with facts though.

 

My bad. Most Jews I know then. This is all I have if it's of any interest:

 

Haaretz poll: 64 percent of Israelis back two-state solution - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

 

It's a majority anyway.