Playing David Ngog upfront on his own

[Antynwa]

Is Sam Allardyce tactics. I like Ngog, I don't think he's a world beater by any means but I think he makes a few good honest performances.

 

However when he is upfront on his own, he simply cannot function we end up in a situation where we did today that he is left to do everything on his own with very little support. It's no good for the lad and it's no good for ourselves. He simply does not have the experience to play in that sort of role.

 

It all stems back to the summer and the constant deployment of the two holding midfielders, a poster brought this up a while ago that we wouldn't achieve with this system, and he's been proven to be correct.

 

Had it been up to me until Aqui got fit I'd wherever possible be playing Gerrard back in midfield and Yossi upfront with Torres until , or playing in the hole. The trouble is with the Gerrard and Torres system is that only Gerrard and Torres can play that system, not one on their own with another. Only Yossi can give you something in the hole, I.E The United game.

 

Obviously we've been affected by injuries, but I think playing Ngog upfront on his own is just wrong, and despite our win today it was painful to see him upfront on his own.

 

Since Aqui is due a game soon I suppose the argument is moot, but I can't help but feel we could have handled this situation so much better. The two holding midfield players work against good sides, but is it really necessary against the weaker sides, especially when you play the lone striker with Ngog?

[Dan Vito Corleone]

The problem N'Gog had today was a total lack of support. His choices need work and his hold up play definitely needs to improve, but that will learn, he's got time on his side.

[Monster Masch]

Gerrard was hardly in midfield today to be fair though. Infact Gerrard was hardly anywhere to be brutally honest.

[Antynwa]

Gerrard was hardly in midfield today to be fair though. Infact Gerrard was hardly anywhere to be brutally honest.

 

He was injured to be fair, and we can't play Aquilani because he might get injured.

[Monster Masch]

Because he might get injured, haha. It's such a tease having him on the bench like.

[Antynwa]

Aquilani is like that computer I got for christmas a few years ago, my parents ordered it in November and they had no where to put it but my room. Everytime I woke up, there it was, and I couldn't open it till Chrimbo.

 

Fucking torture it was.

[sir roger]

When we aren't playing well , Steven starts dropping deeper to look for the ball & the sole striker gets outnumbered.

 

When you have got the best striker in the world playing you can often get away with this , but when you have a raw young striker playing it is not usually going to end well.

[Antynwa]

When we aren't playing well , Steven starts dropping deeper to look for the ball & the sole striker gets outnumbered.

 

When you have got the best striker in the world playing you can often get away with this , but when you have a raw young striker playing it is not usually going to end well.

 

But when you play a player like Ngog upfront on his own with the two holding midfield players, you essentially pose no attacking threat.

[jackofdk]

But when you play a player like Ngog upfront on his own with the two holding midfield players, you essentially pose no attacking threat.

 

Yeah like against Birmingham and Debrecen.

 

:whistle:

[Antynwa]

Yeah like against Birmingham and Debrecen.

 

:whistle:

 

Yeah against Birmingham and Debrecen

[Code]

But when you play a player like Ngog upfront on his own with the two holding midfield players, you essentially pose no attacking threat.

 

Add a left back and Kuyt in the wide "attacking" positions and an obviously injured Gerrard behind him and you always will get problems.

 

The fact Rafa picked Aurelio in the position he did today is what worries me the most.

[Liverpool lad]

We are pretty easy to set up against, we are painfully predictable even with Torres and Gerrard fully firing

[jackofdk]

Yeah against Birmingham and Debrecen

 

Alright, I didn't realise those games were less important to score goals in.

 

I agree that we could do Ngog and the team a favour by going with two upfront when Torres is injured. The Allardyce comparison is stupid, in my opinion.

[Antynwa]

Alright, I didn't realise those games were less important to score goals in.

 

I agree that we could do Ngog and the team a favour by going with two upfront when Torres is injured. The Allardyce comparison is stupid, in my opinion.

 

I just don't see what two games against mediocre opposition where we eventually played shit prove.

[jackofdk]

I just don't see what two games against mediocre opposition where we eventually played shit prove.

 

That Ngog can get goals playing as a lone striker which goes to show that you can't automatically call it Allardyce like tactics just because it didn't work out today.

[jackofdk]

 

The fact Rafa picked Aurelio in the position he did today is what worries me the most.

 

Neither Benayoun nor Riera were fit enough to start. Babel's injured. Should Rafa had started El Zhar instead?

[Torvald Utne]

how many times are you going to fucking drone on about the same thing?

 

for the record I think he's fine upfront, just needs support.

[Dirk]

Ant is getting as bad as Rashid. Please stop being a repetitive bore, we get it.

[mattyq]

He's a Rashid mkII. In fact, no, Rash had a sense of humour

[Antynwa]

Ant is getting as bad as Rashid. Please stop being a repetitive bore, we get it.

 

I don't think my points where that un-reasonable.

[Maldini]

Is Sam Allardyce tactics. I like Ngog, I don't think he's a world beater by any means but I think he makes a few good honest performances.

 

However when he is upfront on his own, he simply cannot function we end up in a situation where we did today that he is left to do everything on his own with very little support. It's no good for the lad and it's no good for ourselves. He simply does not have the experience to play in that sort of role.

 

It all stems back to the summer and the constant deployment of the two holding midfielders, a poster brought this up a while ago that we wouldn't achieve with this system, and he's been proven to be correct.

 

Had it been up to me until Aqui got fit I'd wherever possible be playing Gerrard back in midfield and Yossi upfront with Torres until , or playing in the hole. The trouble is with the Gerrard and Torres system is that only Gerrard and Torres can play that system, not one on their own with another. Only Yossi can give you something in the hole, I.E The United game.

 

Obviously we've been affected by injuries, but I think playing Ngog upfront on his own is just wrong, and despite our win today it was painful to see him upfront on his own.

 

Since Aqui is due a game soon I suppose the argument is moot, but I can't help but feel we could have handled this situation so much better. The two holding midfield players work against good sides, but is it really necessary against the weaker sides, especially when you play the lone striker with Ngog?

 

Haha, it must sicken you that we won today. Fuck off with your rehearsed complaints you cunt. If this is all you have to say on a day when we beat Everton then you really are a waste of space. Every fucking post you put on here is attacking the manager, you even find an excuse to do it on the day we beat our rivals. It's fucking pathetic, you're no longer a Liverpool supporter, you're a Rafa antagonist.

[Antynwa]

Haha, it must sicken you that we won today. Fuck off with your rehearsed complaints you cunt. If this is all you have to say on a day when we beat Everton then you really are a waste of space. Every fucking post you put on here is attacking the manager, you even find an excuse to do it on the day we beat our rivals. It's fucking pathetic, you're no longer a Liverpool supporter, you're a Rafa antagonist.

 

I was just making a general point, not on this game, but on the season in general.

 

I'm delighted we beat Everton.

 

Anyway what is with the tone, any need?

[hamstrung]

I thought he did OK first half, then quickly tired in the second.

 

I reckon once Torres is back, Gerrard will go for his op and AA will play as 2nd striker. I think the 2 holding midfielders are going to be in place for a bit yet.

[Maldini]

I was just making a general point, not on this game, but on the season in general.

 

I'm delighted we beat Everton.

 

Anyway what is with the tone, any need?

 

I'm just sick of the constant droning attacks on our manager, you pull things out of context repeatedly and twist things to suit your agenda. It's really tiresome. I think you've set yourself on being anti-Rafa and you're determined to prove you're right even if the facts don't support your argument.

 

You would have found something to attack him for this evening no matter what team he put out.

[Antynwa]

I'm just sick of the constant droning attacks on our manager, you pull things out of context repeatedly and twist things to suit your agenda. It's really tiresome. I think you've set yourself on being anti-Rafa and you're determined to prove you're right even if the facts don't support your argument.

 

You would have found something to attack him for this evening no matter what team he put out.

 

Here we go? Agenda? My agenda is what I think is best for LFC.

 

I'm not Anti Rafa-I'm pro Liverpool

 

I'm determined to be proved right? Well thats bullshit.

 

And no I wouldn't, I stated in the other thread that a win in a Derby is all thats required, but considering how poor we where I think it's not too harsh to discuss it.