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Direct Action (Re The scum/AKA Our Owners)


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Just a few thoughts here regarding the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in re the Summer Transfer Window, the Club's inactivity and most of all the two monstrous leeches that we have the misfortune to have currently owning us.

 

Firstly, the current threatened damage to our transfer activities along with the ridiculous 'sell to buy' policy forced on Rafa' (and that IS well known), infighting amongst the fans/apathy about what to do against them next is NOT embarrasing the Americans, Au Contraire - It is exactly what they want. Why? I hear you ask - Well, think about it - what would you rather have if you were in their shoes? A:) Lots of vague threats and half based ideas from fans and fans groups who fight each other more than they do you and lots of rumours about who to buy but no concrete evidence thereby with BOTH things preserving a regular and lucrative profit stream that you've established from LIverpool? Or would you rather B:) Proper militant campaigns against you, MP's, Banks and EVERY one of your interests/sponsors in the UK AND US bombarded and put under intolerable pressure summer in, summer out until they (and you) find their resolve collapsing? Do as they're demanded to and get the fcuk out. I know which they'd prefer and which they're getting at the moment is precisely that. Yes we have scenario A:) people.

 

Our fans WANT to take action to ruin Gillette and Hicks, they WANT to force them out ASAP but they're AFRAID that if we do - it will bring the clubs whole financial disaster crashing down around our ears - but will it? I think not. I think that what the 2 carpet baggers and their ally in this Royal Bank of Scotland (and never think otherwise, they ARE most certainly allies - RBS are the ones being paid the interest that's ruining our club) are COUNTING on us being confused like this - they want us paralysed by inaction - while they levy ever more debts and extend the Refinance option ad infinitum to sucker us into the fact that the clubs alright while actually by the end of it the combined debt could make Leeds United's look like a picnic party.

 

Why are the two liars still here? Because actually the arrogant, smarmy prats now have the gall to believe that they might JUST ride out the Credit Crunch (the worst financial crisis in history) and that they might JUST have enough luck to be able to stay through the crunch and fend off the inevitable via extensive/over use of the refinance facility they currently have in place long enough to start and finish the new stadium and then to start selling our matches individually to different TV networks. THAT is why they're trying to stay people, THAT is why they're staying like unwanted leeches/limpets and THAT (for such a plan will NEVER work if we're to stay competitive at the very top) is why they must go and go NOW.

 

Trouble is they won't just 'go' will they? Nope clinging to their position almost as much as the unelected Scot prat in Downing Street clings to Number 10 and will need removing a piece at a time, they try all manner of underhand and despicable tactics to divide the argument against them and render it powerless, they charm the press (remember THAT interview with the Texan last year by the fireside in April? Or the fact that recently major UK newspaper said that them making up was GOOD for Liverpool? The endless positive press briefings from them), they send out disguised posters onto forums to talk up their merits and ridicule their opponents (and don't tell me they don't because they're easy to spot if you know what or who to look for) and now? Oh, now they've really gone overboard, :no now they've decided to recruit RBS to their side - How? Well, all of those stories about us being put into administration should the refinance be refused, the press stories of forced fire sales of players etc have come out this week just over a month before said refinancing is due - Coincidence? I think not. No, what they're doing is bluffing us - Do you REALLY think that if the loan is called in, RBS put them on Red Alert to sell on pain of Club repossession/administration at a knockdown price that we WON'T be snowed under with offers? Put another way if Man City and Chelsea with their respective standings in the game when they were sold are bargains then what on earth would Liverpool be at a cheap price? Thought so, a superb bargain. So what do we do next? Because out the Americans must and WILL go - but as you've already guessed if you've read this far, it's US the fans that will have to do the pushing - because RBS and H & G Certainly won't give up their interest laden cash cow without a fight will they? What to do next then?....................

 

Well, the answer to that is easy and is one provided by the only previous example of the Texan Tumour's foray into the football world. DIRECT ACTION and ECONOMIC WARFAREaimed at both him and the smiling Serpent Gillette NOT just the RBS, the Government or any other is the answer. The previous example of which I speak was when Hicks tried to buy and run Corinthians in Brazil with just such a leveraged buyout (and what he did to us IS such a buyout - why do you think he was reportedly enraged when the liar Parry and the traitor Moores stopped him loading ALL the debt onto the club from the start - the only decent thing those two tw*ts did and something which in effect doomed his ownership from the start as he was relying on us carrying ALL the debt not part.)

 

Well when things started to go very wrong for Corinthians what happened? Their fans didn't argue about what to do, no - they were enraged, targeted Hicks and made sure they got him - they went after him, his offices, his sponsors, everything to do with him and they whipped up such a storm in the media and with Brazilian ministers that in the end he HAD to go ;D. So what do I suggest WE do? Well, what I think we should do is this - As I said, a mixture of Direct Action AND Ecnomic Guerilla warfare is the answer; We should make the situation ABSOLUTELY ungovernable economically for those two b*stards and pound away and pound away until the fcukers, get the message, drop their price, sell up and GO!!!

 

How to do this? Well firstly, we should continue going after RBS with letters, threats of mass account withdrawals and loss of business yes, but we should do MORE than that now as it's gone waaaaaay beyond the odd threat forcing them to give up on the 30 odd millions of interest we pay them through the two twerps - We should threaten in said letters that by ignoring us and our needs they will lose not only ALL of the custom from EVERY one of our fans but also that of ALL their relatives and those relatives friends as well - All added up if enough people threaten them, this should amount to a good quarter or so of their business in their managers eyes (and don't think they're NOT frightened - rumour has it that they only extended the loan this time because of a fear of waking up the genie in the lamp that is the LFC fanbase). Moreover in the letters to them we need to STRESS that the club MUST be sold the minute the loan is refused NOT put into administration !!! That can't be stressed enough - We also need to specify that we want it sold to responsible individuals who can fund any promises they may make and can prove they have the funds to do this. We should additionally target RBS associates/business partners for similar treatment until they listen IF they refuse to listen to our requests. Oh and one final threat for RBS - tell them in any e-mails and letters that you may write them that they'll be answerable to US the electorate via our MP's, IF they don't listen to us - and then make good on that threat by bombarding local MP's with letters, meetings, requests to deal with this matter etc UNTIL they listen to us. That's the pressure on this side of the pond dealt with. As to the Two Tw*ts?

 

Well now that's where it gets interesting, because you see there is ALREADY a template on that side of the pond for how to attack H & G on their own ground (and that WILL spook them as they think they're immune to public outrage over there - with the odd visit here surrounded by bodyguards, nothing could be further from the truth). That template involves the treatment meted out by a combination of an ex-LFC player (Steve Nicol), USA LFC fan clubs/supporters groups AND emails from far and wide in support of said campaign to that odious excuse for a piece of humanity - Steve Cohen re the outrage at his sad, pathetic and far from correct views on Hillsborough. It's had an effect now, a BIG one ;) - it's affected him so much that his show EPL Talk I believe is on the brink of disaster because he WON'T give in, has lost sponsors right, left and centre and is even reduced to asking for donations on air to support them!!!

 

If we can do that to him IN the USA then why not attack Hicks and Gillette over there the same way? We could picket and bombard their businesses/associates/sponsors with emails threatening loss of business, our custom, blackening their name to others etc UNTIL they disassociate themselves from George and Tom (we'd have to explain just WHAT our club means around the world of course and just HOW many people they'd upset if they DO side with the Twin Terrors wouldn't we?); Moreover we could arrange all this through our US Supporters Branches and contacts so it's not like we don't have a base on that side of the Pond as we do. In addition to all this, we could try and arrange for our US brethren to maybe get some kind of statement again from Mr Nicol condemning what those two are doing to his old Club and possibly even arrange for people to directly picket their businesses, disrupt trade etc with leaflets to passersby UNTIL all of this has an effect. Also I think someone should get onto that Bluenose idiot Mr Bradley and the Liverpool council to ask just WHY H & G have yet to even so much as recieve a single letter threatening legal retribution for their clear and obvious waste of public money via the NWDA regarding the new stadium and I think in doing this, maybe a very public case against Mr Bradley could be made via those lovely words 'CONFLICT OF INTEREST' in order to shame him into doing something as it's obvious that what he'd rather have is us forced into the gutter by those two, asset stripped and then FORCED to share with Everton - And if we don't act against him soon, he might just get what all his ridiculous pronouncements in the newspapers have been angling for. A shared stadium with LFC and EFC seen as equal clubs and that?.....That's just wrong and CANNOT happen. :no

 

I know a few of the above ideas sound outlandish but we HAVE to try something different as just sitting here brooding in the UK, arguing amongst ourselves with the odd tame letter to banks or MPS while they slowly wreck LFC is not going to work - we need to attack them on home-turf in the USA as well as in the UK and we need to take a leaf from their book and fight dirty. They won't bargain for that, they'll think they're safe and that we can't follow them over there. They think at present they've got the easy life and that if they ignore us for long enough then A:) We'll go away and B:) We'll accept them. Well, I don't think it needs saying that neither of those things will EVER happen - To get rid of them though? We need to show them it and show them it NOW. We have time now to do this - If we don't, we WON'T get another reprieve via refinance so we must act NOW...................................................

 

Well, there you go. I know it's a bit long and in parts may appear rather alarmist - but above is my view on what's happened to us recently and what we need to do to remove those two cancerous lumps in charge (and I use the word loosely) of our club. Hope it offers ideas to anyone who wants to act against them (I've already sent a long, detailed and angry e-mail to RBS but we need more - those two are fine AS LONG as we don't make a difference - once we start doing that, they'll be gone like shots). And remember, we MUST get them out and get them out now!!!!! See what you think of this post people.

 

NB: I also agree with what another poster put elsewhere on these pages - We SHOULD make life intolerable for them on their next visit - at present they damn well act like they're visiting royalty.:telloff: Well, next time they come they need to be hounded from when they land to when their flight departs and told NEVER to come back.

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Here's the first draft of a letter I'm putting together for David Moores. As I say, it's a first draft, there may be glaring spelling mistakes/grammatical errors so I'd welcome feedback, suggestions for improvement etc.

 

Dear Mr Moores,

 

I’m writing to you in the vain hope that you are as upset about the state of Liverpool Football Club as I and millions of supporters worldwide are.

 

Before I proceed, I wish to refer you to an article written on both yours and Rick Parrys’ behalf in the wake of the collapsed deal with DIC, and the rushed acceptance of the disastrous joint bid from our current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

 

icLiverpool - Trust us

 

Let me highlight a couple of direct quotes from Rick Parry that I hope make you shuffle a little uncomfortably in your chair as you read them.

 

“Be assured the only thing David Moores is concerned about is the club being in the right hands for the future. You can be certain he has done his homework carefully and will make a decision in the best interests of the club.”

“Whatever decision is finally taken will be done so in the best interests of Liverpool Football Club. When we have more to say, we are sure it will be good news and the right news.

 

“We had a duty as directors to consider a very interesting bid from George Gillett. The price is not a factor in David Moores’s mind. He is not after cash for himself, absolutely not. But he felt compelled to consider the rival bid.”

Whilst I accept the premise of this article, namely that you wanted us to secure the financial backing needed to take us to the next level by building a new stadium whilst remaining competitive in the transfer market, without loading us with debt.

 

Well now is the time to come clean to the public, Mr Moores. What exactly was this very interesting offer from George Gillett? It is public knowledge that he intended to use loans to buy as and load debt on the club. This is why Doug Ellis, the then chairman of Aston Villa F.C sent him packing. How can you be deemed not fit to purchase Aston Villa and end up with the most successful club in England?

 

What exactly did this homework consist of? Have you ever used the Google Internet search engine, Mr Moores? I doubt it, because if you had, I doubt very much we’d be in this position now. For example, if either you or Mr Parry had used it at the time of the take over, you would have seen that Tom Hicks had already taken Corinthians (of Brazil) to bankruptcy, you would have seen he arrived in a blaze of glory promising a new stadium and big budgets for players but left after fleecing them of all their resources. You would have also seen how he was fleecing fans of his other “franchises.”

 

I would also state that DIC’s version of events at that time differ wildly from yours and Mr Parrys, and given that they had impeccable business references, working with, and owning vast stakes in some of the most successful global brands on the planet whilst Mr Parry had a reputation for not answering his phone (something DIC claimed was continually happening), the jury is still very much out on what exactly happened during those times, especially as it culminated in an additional £8 million ending up in your bank account.

 

Well here we are now, Mr Moores, our debt has been increased tenfold from £40 million when you sold us to £400 million now. Let me just reiterate and emphasise that for you. £400 million, that is just for the dubious honour of being owned by a pair of LBO specialist shysters.

It’s cards on the table time for us all, we are continuing to lose money just to pay interest on a loan that you guaranteed would not be necessary, and here is the crux of my prose to you.

 

You can still play a role in our club and rectify the mistakes you and Mr Parry made during that time. We are at a crossroads in our history, now more than ever. You may well be consigned to history as the man who sold LFC down the river for a modern day equivalent of 30 pieces of silver.

It’s not too late, fans are split and not everyone fully understands exactly how you, me and every interested party, have been continually lied to by our current “custodians”.

 

If you would resign your life presidency and go public with the betrayal of these people then people would believe and follow you, Mr Moores. You could rally round the support needed to affect change within the club, people are lost and dazed and in need of a figurehead to spur us on.

We are a club beseeched with lies and warring fractions, and so much misinformation that the average fan doesn’t know whom to believe.

It’s time to recognise your part in this mess and help the fans rectify it, I guarantee you would have our backing.

 

We need you Mr Moores, to make the wrong decision when lied to would be understandable, to continue to endorse the current ownership, which your silence does, is unforgivable.

 

Do you remember that mosaic that the Kop gave you? Well now is the time to earn it.

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Here's the first draft of a letter I'm putting together for David Moores. As I say, it's a first draft, there may be glaring spelling mistakes/grammatical errors so I'd welcome feedback, suggestions for improvement etc.

 

Dear Mr Moores,

 

I’m writing to you in the vain hope that you are as upset about the state of Liverpool Football Club as I and millions of supporters worldwide are.

 

Before I proceed, I wish to refer you to an article written on both yours and Rick Parrys’ behalf in the wake of the collapsed deal with DIC, and the rushed acceptance of the disastrous joint bid from our current owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

 

icLiverpool - Trust us

 

Let me highlight a couple of direct quotes from Rick Parry that I hope make you shuffle a little uncomfortably in your chair as you read them.

 

“Be assured the only thing David Moores is concerned about is the club being in the right hands for the future. You can be certain he has done his homework carefully and will make a decision in the best interests of the club.”

“Whatever decision is finally taken will be done so in the best interests of Liverpool Football Club. When we have more to say, we are sure it will be good news and the right news.

 

“We had a duty as directors to consider a very interesting bid from George Gillett. The price is not a factor in David Moores’s mind. He is not after cash for himself, absolutely not. But he felt compelled to consider the rival bid.”

Whilst I accept the premise of this article, namely that you wanted us to secure the financial backing needed to take us to the next level by building a new stadium whilst remaining competitive in the transfer market, without loading us with debt.

 

Well now is the time to come clean to the public, Mr Moores. What exactly was this very interesting offer from George Gillett? It is public knowledge that he intended to use loans to buy as and load debt on the club. This is why Doug Ellis, the then chairman of Aston Villa F.C sent him packing. How can you be deemed not fit to purchase Aston Villa and end up with the most successful club in England?

 

What exactly did this homework consist of? Have you ever used the Google Internet search engine, Mr Moores? I doubt it, because if you had, I doubt very much we’d be in this position now. For example, if either you or Mr Parry had used it at the time of the take over, you would have seen that Tom Hicks had already taken Corinthians (of Brazil) to bankruptcy, you would have seen he arrived in a blaze of glory promising a new stadium and big budgets for players but left after fleecing them of all their resources. You would have also seen how he was fleecing fans of his other “franchises.”

 

I would also state that DIC’s version of events at that time differ wildly from yours and Mr Parrys, and given that they had impeccable business references, working with, and owning vast stakes in some of the most successful global brands on the planet whilst Mr Parry had a reputation for not answering his phone (something DIC claimed was continually happening), the jury is still very much out on what exactly happened during those times, especially as it culminated in an additional £8 million ending up in your bank account.

 

Well here we are now, Mr Moores, our debt has been increased tenfold from £40 million when you sold us to £400 million now. Let me just reiterate and emphasise that for you. £400 million, that is just for the dubious honour of being owned by a pair of LBO specialist shysters.

It’s cards on the table time for us all, we are continuing to lose money just to pay interest on a loan that you guaranteed would not be necessary, and here is the crux of my prose to you.

 

You can still play a role in our club and rectify the mistakes you and Mr Parry made during that time. We are at a crossroads in our history, now more than ever. You may well be consigned to history as the man who sold LFC down the river for a modern day equivalent of 30 pieces of silver.

It’s not too late, fans are split and not everyone fully understands exactly how you, me and every interested party, have been continually lied to by our current “custodians”.

 

If you would resign your life presidency and go public with the betrayal of these people then people would believe and follow you, Mr Moores. You could rally round the support needed to affect change within the club, people are lost and dazed and in need of a figurehead to spur us on.

We are a club beseeched with lies and warring fractions, and so much misinformation that the average fan doesn’t know whom to believe.

It’s time to recognise your part in this mess and help the fans rectify it, I guarantee you would have our backing.

 

We need you Mr Moores, to make the wrong decision when lied to would be understandable, to continue to endorse the current ownership, which your silence does, is unforgivable.

 

Do you remember that mosaic that the Kop gave you? Well now is the time to earn it.

 

Thats a great letter mate, he´ll probably use it as toilet paper to wipe his arse on but we can live in hope

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Ok; A few replies required here methinks.

 

Firstly, to Ngog We Trust; the summary is to do to the Yanks IN America (that's important) what we did/are doing to Steve Cohen via our supporters groups over there (i.e. damage their sponsors business with them by blackening their name, bombarding their business associates with negative press about them and maybe even involving the likes of Steve Nicol). I also said up the pressure on RBS here (ECONOMICALLY - I did NOT advocate bombing/attacking them .

 

I said threaten them re lack of custom and losing EXTRA custom from ALL our supporters AND their families and friends). And I said that we should also target Mr Bradley and Liverpool City Council to see why THEY haven't squeezed the twin terrors yet re the New Stadium and NWDA money as they should of done - Oh, and I said that I agree with someone else who posted on here that their lives should be made HELL next time they visit Liverpool.

 

Next, to Kop; Are you kidding? 'What have RBS done wrong'. Erm, well who do you think are the ones levying interest at such a ridiculous rate on our loan and thus screwing every last penny out of our club to service it via the two tw*ts? Yep, your friends and mine at the Royal Bank of Scotland. RBS should be squeezed until the vice snaps for that alone.

 

Finally; manicss01. It's a pro-Liverpool FC post. I'm Pro-Rafa' personally but the post is more about how to help our club and attack the Americans until we force them out. I agree with Toxteth Terror and it is my own view also that the Corinthians fans DO put us to shame as when they realised what was going on re Hicks - they didn't rest, didn't consider whose noses would be put out of joint, didn't stand on ceremony, they just waged ALL-OUT WARFARE (economically/financially/Public Relations wise) against him until he'd had enough and got out, with his businesses taking a BIG hit and his reputation in tatters. We NEED to do the same as RBS/Hicks/Gillette are fine with the current impasse, it suits them for us to limp through the summer, miss out on transfer targets, be humiliated at every turn, embarrassed in the press and yet be kept just about good enough by them to still finish in the CL places in the league why? Because that makes them MONEY enough to pay their interest payments and that's ALL they care about. The only way to get at them therefore is not to protest at home or send tame letters to RBS or Ministers.

 

No, It is to FORCE ministers and RBS to close the circle around them, FORCE them to ask questions and demand the sale of the club and of course most of all? We can get at Hicks and Gillette by going to their home ground in the US and attacking them directly in the same way we have Steve Cohen - It's had an ENORMOUS effect against him and gives us an effective blueprint of how to (for want of a better phrase) 'economically terrorise/bombard' people into listening to us. If it worked against Cohen - why not against the twin leeches?

 

And the only way to do these things to force a break of the deadlock/to remove the impasse - the way to force RBS to get tough, to force questions from Liverpool council, to force Hicks and Gillette to get up and take notice of us is to take Direct Action against ALL of them in the form of economic/Public Relations warfare with no quarter asked and none given, just like Corinthians fans did. Because I'll tell you what, if we do nothing now, they'll think they've won and wangle out a longer stay somehow and by the time they're finished then? We'll be lucky to be IN the Premiership, never mind winning it........................

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Just read a bit about Corinthians, it's shocking. Incase anyone else doesn't know :

 

Tom Hicks & Corinthians

 

It seems Tom Hicks leaves a trail of devastation wherever he goes. His disastrous foray into the Brazilian football market as chairman of Hicks, Muse, Tate & Furst left Corinthians, second most popular club in Brazil, in a state of turmoil.

 

The parallels between what happened to Corinthians and what is currently happening at Liverpool are unsettling to say the least:

 

* There was the initial blaze of publicity and fanfare when the company bought the club in 1999, with promises of big spending on the best players and the construction of a brand new 45,000 seater stadium in the suburbs of Sao Paulo.

 

* There was an initial capital investment to tie down existing players and to finance the purchase one or two other additional players.

 

* The economics behind the Corinthians deal appeared to be based on ridiculously rudimentary logic: "If you add up all the fans of professional baseball, basketball, football and hockey in the United States, that number is lower than the number of Brazilians who are soccer fans." Clearly, no proper risk analysis had been undertaken - a situation which resonates with the due diligence period of 3 days prior to the purchase of Liverpool.

 

* This flimsy approach was reinforced by the apparently rash and impulsive purchase of Cruzeiro six months later - traits which Liverpool fans are rapidly coming to associate with Hicks.

 

* There was also the emphasis on the cheaper "young players", with the following quote from the (unfortunately named) Richard Law, president of Hicks' subsidiary group: "Our job is not to turn back the inevitable, but to build Corinthians and Cruzeiro up from the junior ranks." Hicks followed a similar tack following the takeover of Liverpool: "You need to keep your star players but also develop your young players. Young players are the lifeblood of your team, so we talked about how we can improve that side of the team."

 

Corinthians had already won the Brazilian championship in 1998 so Hicks inherited a winning team. The initial expenditure assisted in retaining the league title in Dec 1999 and the club also won the inaugural FIFA Club World Championship the following month.

 

This is where things started to go wrong.

 

Unable to resist the temptation to make a quick buck, HICKS BEGAN SELLING TRANSFER RIGHTS TO THE CLUB'S STAR PLAYERS. On top of that, he decided on the bizarre idea of changing the traditional colour of the club's shirt. He also introduced sponsorship (something which Corinthians fans felt defiled their heritage).

 

All of these things led to a furious reaction from supporters and widespread protest against Hicks and his partners. The company bailed out three years later, ironically having accused its local partner in Brazil of "misappropriating funds".

 

Corinthians began to spiral downwards. MSI took over the club's management but, despite a league title in 2005, the financial problems initiated by Hicks proved too much of a burden. The club was relegated to the second tier of Brazilian football for the first time in its history in December 2007.

 

THERE WAS NO NEW STADIUM. Hicks invested about five hundred million dollars and within two years filed for bankruptcy.

 

In a recent prospectus issued to financial companies in London, Hicks claims in to be "a master of purchasing and growing professional sports teams".

 

Liverpool fans, Texas Rangers fans and Corinthians fans might disagree.

 

 

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[FONT="Comic Sans MS"]whoever is true to the club cant deny the fact that the yanks need to be

 

kicked out as early as possible.okay with that LFC is not all about splashing

 

hell of cash-the likes of citech ,mancs ,chelshits n madrid.there

 

are things that do matter a hell to take the club forward...these ass holes

 

promised new stadium n hefty transfer kitties when they came here but

 

never did everything came to settlement.though media is too much abt all

 

these matters but still its clear that things are not quite well.

 

lets just cry for time when they owned the club and "the fifth richest man on

 

planet" was denied taking over the club

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Is RBS at fault for the situation we're in? Why would we want to fire bomb them?

Frankly, yes they are. And they look like making it worse in 6 weeks time. It may be primarily G&H's fault, then secondary blame has to go to Parry/Moores, but RBS also play a big part as they are the ones who keep saying 'Yes'. If they carry on saying Yes, the future of our club is at stake. There probably will be a time when peaceful protest is not enough unfortunately, and maybe the time will come for 'unpeaceful protest'. Maybe not as far as firebombing the branches, but something that will hit them in the pocket, which is what they're doing to us.

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Anybody think that there could be a possibility of senior players Carragher Gerrard standing up and saying enough is enough, I know its a bit extreme but if the RBS were told the clubs best player and 1 of the most recognised in the world is refusing to play for them and refusing to be sold if thats what the Yanks tried to do, it would certinley have an effect.

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