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Not quite Always bold - just when I want to do it - Here's me in one of my odder moods Not doing the bold; Basically? Below 'tis my opinion of the whole United/Ferguson/FA/Referees debacle & believe me? It Is a debacle & then some............... The Guest? " the only time this will not be seen as just some stupid conspiracy theory is when somebody actually sits down and makes comparisons. It's all well saying a certain ref hasn't been involved in a Utd game for years etc but you need to compare this with all the refs and all the clubs." Someone Did do - Here; The Dim in Beirut There's about 3/4 articles all specifically focused on Just what you're speaking about around halfway down the page? Very informative but immediately shouted down by Manc's & unbelievers - naturally.... And BTW? The rant Wasn't a 'rant' per se - it was a critique & unlike Keegan crapping himself in public all those years ago? It worked; In their game vs Chelsea the next day? United might have come out on top 3-0 due to Chelsea being beyond awful under Scolari but? Just before their first goal? They had a goal disallowed & a stonewall penalty turned down, then months later when We played at the OT dump? We got a pen' And a Red Card in our favour - it was a surgically timed blow aimed at a game at OT (ours) months away & to cause as much disruption for Them? As possible in the meantime (which it Would have done had Chelsea defended properly in That game the day after) In that respect? It worked & then some. You only have to look at How much it scared the FA into tightening the rules on commenting re' officials but somehow forgetting to do so for Him & his mob rather conveniently; Anyway IMO? With that One outburst? Rafa' hit Far nearer to the mark than he ever knew. The reason Fergie & his mob ridicule it (& Rafa') even now? Is because he came That close to unmasking them for what they really are & stripping away their odious powers re' officials in public & doing that? Would have changed things here forever & in spite of all the opposition, the smear jobs, the late goals (for & against) the final (doomed) charge at Stamford Bridge in the CL & all it took out of us re' the PL. In spite of it all? We So nearly did it - that team might have failed but? Theirs was a heroic failure that puts their 3 successors (& no doubt this 4th) in the 3 & 1/2 seasons since? Utterly to shame........... Don't forget? Reinstate Gerrard's goal at Home v Stoke (in Sept' 2008 - the Home game with them BTW? Not the away game in Jan' 2009 as some have mistakenly put on here - he only hit the post at the end of that one)? And we're only 1 point off the title - stop Cahill scoring Right at the end of the League Derby in January on top of that? And Gerrard's exocet missile into the Everton net in the second half? Would have been The one that won us that title come May 2009............. Yes, the margins really are That fine & anyone blaming Rafa' & Only him for something that was probably decided in August 2008 & (certainly) orchestrated against us from around September onwards of that year with the likes of the press, Manc's & allies & most of the rest of the English game against us? Is most certainly in the wrong - Rafa' did All he could & more - he fought like fury to win that title in particular & brought us So close - I was So proud of the team that season & always will be for what they tried their hearts out for & whatever the record books say? I Know we were the best side in England that year - by a country mile............. But in the end? You can't overcome Them & their influence without removing it All at source - until that's done? It'll Always be "another season, nothing changes" So Who I wonder is finally Going to play Kingmaker & king breaker & remove Him from office for good & all time - for without that happening? Any other changes are only transitory & cannot be permanent. Until then? We might as well whistle in the wind & whilst They like it that way? Many including myself have had more than enough of this & it's about time something was done. Will say one thing though before I go? The sight of not just A Liverpool but a Liverpool reliving their past & making a final charge for the league towards May? Clearly scared some people in English Football - All the trouble we've had re' officials & all the 'smear jobs', hatchet jobs & constant media attacks? since May 2009? Have started Since then & the beginning of the following (2009/2010) season &? They've got steadily worse reaching their utter nadir this year with the "no penalties for Liverpool barring murder in the box" rule apparently now being enforced - You ask me? As I said it's No coincidence that All these problems - began back in August 2009 - not a coincidence at all.......... NB And BTW The Guest? Try Reading the link in depth? there's at least 3 (I counted) articles on this subject in particular on there somewhere & on one of them? He does indeed compare some reffing stats from United to others in direct opposition to them (including us one season) the results are rather surprising - or not depending on your point of view -they didn't surprise me - just confirmed pretty much? Something/a trend that I (& no doubt many others) had guessed is occurring all along & which? Is far to common to be anything like mere coincidence. As to us? Said it before on this post & will say it again one last time? The fact our troubles doubled & just got worse re officialdom from August 2009 onwards to the nadir of the present day re' us? Is anything But a coincidence & unfortunately? Our club have anything but the mentality needed to combat such blatant bias - sad but? That's the way it is right now & it doesn't look like changing anytime soon............

The Guest? " the only time this will not be seen as just some stupid conspiracy theory is when somebody actually sits down and makes comparisons. It's all well saying a certain ref hasn't been involved in a Utd game for years etc but you need to compare this with all the refs and all the clubs." Someone Did do - Here; The Dim in Beirut There's about 3/4 articles all specifically focused on Just what you're speaking about around halfway down the page? Very informative but immediately shouted down by Manc's & unbelievers - naturally.... And BTW? The rant Wasn't a 'rant' per se - it was a critique & unlike Keegan crapping himself in public all those years ago? It worked; In their game vs Chelsea the next day? United might have come out on top 3-0 due to Chelsea being beyond awful under Scolari but? Just before their first goal? They had a goal disallowed & a stonewall penalty turned down, then months later when We played at the OT dump? We got a pen' And a Red Card in our favour - it was a surgically timed blow aimed at a game at OT (ours) months away & to cause as much disruption for Them? As possible in the meantime (which it Would have done had Chelsea defended properly in That game the day after) In that respect? It worked & then some. You only have to look at How much it scared the FA into tightening the rules on commenting re' officials but somehow forgetting to do so for Him & his mob rather conveniently; Anyway IMO? With that One outburst? Rafa' hit Far nearer to the mark than he ever knew. The reason Fergie & his mob ridicule it (& Rafa') even now? Is because he came That close to unmasking them for what they really are & stripping away their odious powers re' officials in public & doing that? Would have changed things here forever & in spite of all the opposition, the smear jobs, the late goals (for & against) the final (doomed) charge at Stamford Bridge in the CL & all it took out of us re' the PL. In spite of it all? We So nearly did it - that team might have failed but? Theirs was a heroic failure that puts their 3 successors (& no doubt this 4th) in the 3 & 1/2 seasons since? Utterly to shame........... Don't forget? Reinstate Gerrard's goal at Home v Stoke (in Sept' 2008 - the Home game with them BTW? Not the away game in Jan' 2009 as some have mistakenly put on here - he only hit the post at the end of that one)? And we're only 1 point off the title - stop Cahill scoring Right at the end of the League Derby in January on top of that? And Gerrard's exocet missile into the Everton net in the second half? Would have been The one that won us that title come May 2009............. Yes, the margins really are That fine & anyone blaming Rafa' & Only him for something that was probably decided in August 2008 & (certainly) orchestrated against us from around September onwards of that year with the likes of the press, Manc's & allies & most of the rest of the English game against us? Is most certainly in the wrong - Rafa' did All he could & more - he fought like fury to win that title in particular & brought us So close - I was So proud of the team that season & always will be for what they tried their hearts out for & whatever the record books say? I Know we were the best side in England that year - by a country mile............. But in the end? You can't overcome Them & their influence without removing it All at source - until that's done? It'll Always be "another season, nothing changes" So Who I wonder is finally Going to play Kingmaker & king breaker & remove Him from office for good & all time - for without that happening? Any other changes are only transitory & cannot be permanent. Until then? We might as well whistle in the wind & whilst They like it that way? Many including myself have had more than enough of this & it's about time something was done. Will say one thing though before I go? The sight of not just A Liverpool but a Liverpool reliving their past & making a final charge for the league towards May? Clearly scared some people in English Football - All the trouble we've had re' officials & all the 'smear jobs', hatchet jobs & constant media attacks? since May 2009? Have started Since then & the beginning of the following (2009/2010) season &? They've got steadily worse reaching their utter nadir this year with the "no penalties for Liverpool barring murder in the box" rule apparently now being enforced - You ask me? As I said it's No coincidence that All these problems - began back in August 2009 - not a coincidence at all..........

They should San don (Club that is - as in go to town re' Our pen's & legitimate decisions being deliberately denied by bent ref's & that Is what's happening BTW to anyone who disagrees - I defy you to say otherwise now after the past 2 weeks disgraces v West Ham & Villa) In fact? The club Should cause absolute hell & murder on it as the OT tw*ts themselves once did re' us - but? They won't - Henry & co'? last season? Showed that when it comes to confronting the establishment & standing up for ourselves & the club? They are nothing but gutless cowards - their treatment of Kenny for Doing just that & their hanging out Suarez to dry showed that - they're pathetic - Why do you think they Hired Rodgers - He's about as likely to go mental in public over all this as the Sun is to rise in the west - Nice, quiet & anything for a quiet life is their approach - as I said? Gutless cowards - Another season, nothing changes. And I'm afraid to say? With the cowards we have at the helm right now? Nor Will it anytime soon.........

John Mcclane? You said? "The first one, Im guessing December 2000 or 2001, was always my favourite. The second one was robbery, battered for 85 mins then he stole it. The third, the decisive penalty, I bet that ref never got a game there again." The first one? Was the basis for All those b*stard 0-1 defeats we started suffering against them at Anfield in the mid 00's as Ferguson stole Houllier's approach (sit back for 90, defend with 12 (inc' the ref' for them) &? Steal something on the counter or from a set-piece; took us 7 bloody years to over come IIRR? But yes was great with the freekick back in Dec' 2000; Second one? Was a Freezing Midweek night in January 2002 & wasn't Quite as one-sided as you make out? Yes they battered us in the first half hour or so but after that? We controlled the possession, the chances & the game, kept them at arms-length & in the end? Snatched a deserved winner as Murphy lobbed Barthez in the 86th min' (off the top of my head) to send the Manc' hordes home in the freezing Jan' night disappointed once more & give us a second successive double over them. Third? Was at the tail end of a truly horrible season for us (Houllier's last) & was our Last league win over them anywhere for 4 years IIRR & at OT for 5 years & it officially ended their time as champions that year (& after until 2007). The ref'? Prob' got a game or two after that one since? It was none other than Mike Riley himself who awarded us a decision in the words of the telegraphs Henry Winter "rarer than a Norwegian Blue" & rarer still? It was the first penalty to the opposition awarded at OT that was Scored in 10 years (not the first awarded - five or so were given in that preceding decade - all were missed - the last before Danny's? Being that one which involved the mob of United players chasing the ref' round half OT IIRR). Anyway hope that little lot helps a bit re' info' on the 'Murphy Years' at OT....... BTW? The missing game/year in his 3 match winning streak there v them? was 2003 - we won in 00/01, 01/02 & 03/04 - in 02/03? We Might have gone there with a chance but Young Master Riley was the ref' again & awarded them Two penalties - the first of which he sent off Hyppia for after 4 mins or so IIRR - after which? We went into Houllier style damage control on the way to losing 0-4. That game more than any other? Shows IMO the Real attitude re' Man U from the establishment (& Riley's true colours also) over the last 2 decades or so or to put it another way with a quote from Him himself when We were the ones gettin all the decisions long ago? "another season, nothing changes" - nor Will anything until He goes or is pushed so prob' not for a while yet............

Zigackly? "I can't remember them ever being worse in terms of results." November 2002 - January 2003 Enough said. This little lot? (Recent results) are so-so by comparism to the sheer unadulterated trash & their uninspired dirge that comprised our 'football' team & 'playing style' (in names alone) back then. As to now? We're wildly swinging in our performances from utterly battering Everton who in turn monstered United at the start of the season & giving City a similar pummeling, dismantling Norwich on their own patch for the second time in 5 months through the clinical (ha ha) dispatching & shutouts against Reading & Anzi, the roller coaster horror show that was the Udinese debacle, the turgid shite served up against Stoke & the routine (haha again) Home battering of Gomel? We've gone right through down to the 'performances' served up against Arsenal, West Brom' & tonight of which the less said? The better....... In fact? Calling it "Roller Coaster" doesn't begin to cover our journey/ride on the pitch since the season started & something tells me there will be a lot of twists & turns on the road ahead for us yet. We've barely begun but the longest journeys? Begin with a single step - that step? Has now been made - Where it will end up in us going? Remains to be seen & on that one? Time will tell - sooner or later? Time will tell................. Hmm Gerrard was in That team to & a decade (& more) later we're Still looking to his particular brand of magic when in a fix (of our own making). Methinks there's a message there - Not that Any of our fans of late want to recognise that - never mind read it................. NB BTW? Swansea didn't fine tune what their doing to that level overnight - It's taken them since February 2007 (more than a half a decade ago) & Four managers for them to master it - we're by comparism only what? 4 months into such a project; Give us time &? Patience Will bring it's own rewards, mark my words...............

Timao? Agree with you mate & the other game back in 02/03? Was against Newcastle when Shearer equalised in something like the 88th minute & Damn near Won it at the death but for another header from him (he scored with his first one) being cleared off the line? Think in that game? Hamaan & Owen scored for us & Shearer & Gary Speed (RIP) for them? Mad game - mad season IMO? In the third game after those two? We lost Another 2-0 lead at Bolton & won in the Very last minute with a goal from Heskey of all people but you're right in essence after that? Houllier the coward (last seen in charge of France & losing them access to WC '94?) Came very much back to the fore & that though he had one more season? Was the beginning of the end for him. I really like Rodgers & see what he's Trying to do so for me? Well I just hope history does Not repeat itself this time in that respect........... NB Withnail? Carra' Should have hung up his boots last May; He was great up until around 2009 & then adequate until the end of 2011 IMO but Since then? He's been worse than very bad & that's being polite - As to me? I think he should let us thank him for all he's done & then? Leave now with grace........

Again all correct & I never considered that re' Gerrard replacing Shelvey - good point but it still shouldn't have been at Jordan's expense IMO? He was the only one Trying to tackle for us in the middle & as we soon found out? Allen couldn't do it all on his own - he is like Alonso at times in his vision, ability to keep the ball & draw fouls yes but he Really needs to work on his tackling & workrate IMO. Borini? Reminds me a little of Crouch in his first however many dozen games here before he scored - he's creating goals for others & making good technical runs & moves but just Can't score; Not since his first game for us anyway; I hope it goes in for him again soon as this is becoming a bit of a monkey on his back & needs dealing with quickly - we're light enough on strikers as it is without leaving it all to Luis Van Suarez (He's reminding me a lot of what Van Persie did last year right now?) & him having an utterly useless partner who does nothing in terms of scoring - the sooner that problem is sorted & Borini starts banging them in? The better............ NB BTW Bjornbye? Don't know about you mate but when I watch us of late? It seems like we're Almost there at times but something (God knows what) isn't quite in place yet or clicking right; Something that would enable us to dominate & win games consistently machine like almost as we did under Rafa' a few times & back in our glory days? Whatever it is I don't know but IMO? Something is missing...........

You have a point re' the attack Bjornbye but we've not had Mcmanaman for more than a decade now & good as Sterling is? Would be wrong IMO to burn him out by Overplaying him like we once did Mcmanaman (Borini's movement created our first goal & he won the free kick for our second to I think?); I think we mucked up in bringing Gerrard on - we should have left Henderson on as he was doing OK in the middle & maybe swapped only Luis for Assaidi & maybe later Jonjo for Sahin to Regain control of the middle? Just my view anyway; As to the rest? I agree re' the Carra' circa 2006 thing as well but maybe that's what this 'edging' in of Coates is? To Try & replace Carra' as backup to Skrtel & Agger with him & Wisdom maybe? I still think my point re' Lucas (& experienced backup which we Need for him) stands as they chopped us to shreds on the counter for 2 of the goals & are only the latest in a line including United, City & Arsenal to do that at Anfield as well as Norwich & West Brom to do it away from home. It's lacking someone to sort out those little errors we're making right now due to a lack of 'dirty' work in tracking back & running after them & taking the hit/getting them no matter What as well as being there to organise us & put their body on the line at set-pieces that's hurting us; Just the sort of stuff Lucas does So very well. You never know what you've got until it's gone - never a truer word said in his case right now............... Anyway? 'tis only my opinion of course Bjornbye my friend - to each their own & thank you for reading & commenting on my earlier post - Very few do nowadays. On & up we go I guess......

Oh well - Thought tonight was a real douche of cold water over the "kids can steamroller everyone" brigade. Tonight reminded me of Three games in particular (both at Anfield) in the time of Benitez at our club. One was the Chelsea Quarter Final in April 2009 when we last did anything meaningful in the CL - IIRR from that game? We utterly battered them - went one up & then let in 3 goals (2 in quick succession) to put us pretty much out of the tie (despite a desperate battle at Stamford Bridge in the second leg & a 4-4 draw with goals flying in all over the place) & the other games? One was Fiorentina also at Anfield in December 2009 - our last CL home game to date? And the other was Lyon at Anfield in the home game before that during November 2009 I think? Anyway, in both matches we battered our opponents for nearly a full half - went one nil up & then got done twice on the counter attack to lose both 1-2; IIRR in the Fiorentina game? There was a horrible error from our RB at the time Stephen Darby? Anyway the problems tonight? Were the same ones as then only writ large as we're Starting to boss games again in terms of possession if not in terms of the dirty work, tackling & pressing so beloved of Rafa' "control the game" he said? Now we see just Why he insisted on it I think; Udinese (like us) were a Team instead of just assorted individuals ala Young Boys & they played like one as a collective - they sat back the whole first half treating it like an away leg & losing only one goal & then? They were on us like piranhas after blood & Bang!! 3 goals in 12 minutes later - 2 of them on the counter attack (& another thing? We Again lost a goal due to Gerrard losing the ball)? And our kids had had another harsh lesson in just How far they yet have to go......... Another sublime goal by Luis Suarez whose seemingly on a one-man mission to hit 30 goals by season's end? Couldn't save us this time (And if anyone accuses him of lacking that clinical edge we Need after this start to the season? I'll hunt them down myself - he's a clinical striker alright; He always Has been & now? He's proving it - He's well on course for 25 odd goals right now & is just brilliant). Anyway? If you ask me? I think we suffered from the lack of Lucas &/or a siimilar alternative tonight - for all our control in the first half & our passing of the ball? Reina Still had to make a brilliant save (on another note? Great to see the Real Pepe coming back to); & they cut through us on the odd counter to easily for my liking - basically? It played like a game from 09/10 again & as soon as the one (mildly) defensive midfielder we Did have on (who was playing adequately well) went off in Jordan Henderson? We fell apart like a house of cards in the middle & were punished with 2 goals from them in quick succession which is prob' why it reminded me so much of those 3 games I spoke of earlier. Anyway we had the (becoming usual) late Anfield barrage as we bombarded their goal to secure a point & prob' would of but for one astonishing miss by someone who I've forgotten lol (was it Shelvey? Or Sterling?). Anyway to Finish? I think it's clear that we Need to close out these games While we're on top though - then we won't end up running like chickens with our heads off at the end vainly trying to equalise - I think we're at our level in the EL right now with the lessons to be learned? If we were in the CL like this we'd be slaughtered - better to make our mistakes now. Oh well? I think the kids & the manager & the older heads (2 of whom were Very badly at fault for 2 of their goals) all have their lessons to learn from all this - I hope they draw & employ the correct ones after tonight's defensive pantomime - upwards & onwards to Stoke on Sunday now & thank God we won in Switzerland so can afford tonight's stuff up. We have the possession play down pat now & are scoring often enough - tighten up our defending? And we Will get there - how long That will take though? God only knows; All I know is? Get there we will eventually & the destination will be all the sweeter for the journey having been so bumpy before. On we go........... NB Can our record at Anfield Be any worse by this time of year? Must be some sort of (unwanted) record by now for Not winning at home? Here's hoping we start to put that right come Sunday & quick. NBB I think tonight revealed a few gaps re' experience in the squad? IMO We could Really do with not just another striker but experienced backup for Lucas to.

Major Tom? Think you & others should have a look at this person whose First article was posted here a bit earlier in the thread? He's done another one & Had a look at some of the stat's For us Here; Corruption and Influence Peddling in the English Game - The Dim in Beirut What he's found is in some ways as alarming as it is predictable - And again? I'll say with that, what he said earlier in his first post re' all this, some of what I've read on here & an extensive knowledge not just of the Aforementioned Tom Bower book but a couple by David Conn asking questions along the right lines re' vested interests in the Premier League re' it's formation/makeup & member Clubs as well as another book all about the PL from it's formation by Chris Horrie I think? Well with that little lot? Let's just say IMO the evidence is There & pretty much piled up by now - You just have to look for it. Oh & to those crowing re' English impartiality & laughing that that sort of thing only happens in Italy etc? Where do you think They learned it from? Calciopoli only Started well into the time when He was at Old Trafford over here - don't you think they learned it from Somewhere? Just a thought is all. Anyway have a read & see what you think - I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions - Me? I took my head out the sand long ago. But then I? Am not a coward with a vested/economic interest in certain managers/teams doing well in this country am I? And That in a nutshell is what is wrong here - Anyway like I said? The evidence is there - have a look & see what you think; It might open a few eyes to say the least .... NB Major Tom? Someone Is Looking now - that link I posted? That person looks like they've started a pretty thorough investigation into it - as to Why no-one else is looking (or screening the findings If someone's done the work)? Simple enough I think channels like newspapers & certain cowards masquerading as PL Managers? Are Afraid of him & them putting them 'out of favour' as it were at OT & so basically Don't want to upset them - pretty much like a media version of what Jeff Winter is supposed to have said goes on with Referees - they All want to screen From there & film games/interviews with them as he's built up their (false) legend to such an extent? That it commands a lot of power & success for those in the media favoured at OT & thus they Don't want to "rock the boat" as it were by upsetting either United, their bosses Or those who benefit from them doing well; Basically they're scared of him in the English Media I think. A lot..... NBB 'Tis Reprinted withOut the bold now The Guest - you can stop gibbering behind the sofa & come out of whatever fit that sent you off into LoL

Major Tom? Think you & others should have a look at this person whose First article was posted here a bit earlier in the thread? He's done another one & Had a look at some of the stat's For us Here; Corruption and Influence Peddling in the English Game - The Dim in Beirut What he's found is in some ways as alarming as it is predictable - And again? I'll say with that, what he said earlier in his first post re' all this, some of what I've read on here & an extensive knowledge not just of the Aforementioned Tom Bower book but a couple by David Conn asking questions along the right lines re' vested interests in the Premier League re' it's formation/makeup & member Clubs as well as another book all about the PL from it's formation by Chris Horrie I think? Well with that little lot? Let's just say IMO the evidence is There & pretty much piled up by now - You just have to look for it. Oh & to those crowing re' English impartiality & laughing that that sort of thing only happens in Italy etc? Who do you think They learned it from? Calciopoli only Started well into the time when He was settled at Old Trafford over here - don't you think they learned it From Somewhere or more accurately Someone? Just a thought is all. Anyway have a read & see what you think - I'll leave you all to draw your own conclusions - Me? I took my head out the sand long ago. But then I? Am not a coward with a vested/economic interest in certain managers/teams doing well in this country am I? And That in a nutshell is what is wrong here - Anyway like I said? The evidence is there - have a look & see what you think; It might open a few eyes to say the least .....

I dunno Shoe'; It's late - I'm tired, a little emotional (as been far through the wringer of late re' my personal life & little boy) & prob' prone to conspiracy theories myself but if you ask me? I think something untoward is going on re' our beloved club & that's the best words I can put it into at this late hour. Am prob' making much ado about nothing here but everything that's happened to us of late? Seems far to directed, in concert & sequence & frequent to be a mere sequence of coincidences is all. Is it? Who knows? I guess we'll all find out in good time................

One more thing actually while I'm here - I'm utterly amazed that with our fanbase leading the way in terms of Making owners accountable for their actions by actually forcing out the two tw*ts who were killing us? That we haven't made use of the methods we learnt during that time & the mass mobilisations our much touted 'internet terrorists' showed their capable of to fight our corner against those hidebound idiots from the FA & the officious tossers making our lives difficult of late; If we can force companies like Blackstone & Deutsche Bank away from dealing with H & G then how on Earth if we're so minded can we Not bring an amateurish wreck like the FA or an old mans playground like the LMA or PL hierarchy/admin' to their knees? I think our fans should be far more militant in that respect & maybe then we'll be listened to; I hate to mention them but such actions have worked more than once in the past for the fans of another club who play in red & play not to far from us. Now we've taken the lead in recent years in how to mass mobilise & act in concert online against those harming our club? I think we should turn those techniques back on the PL, FA & LMA at the very least if necessary to show them Not to try & single us out anymore - it would certainly make them think If we went down that road.................

If you ask me? I think it's Clear What is wrong here - not so much our so-called 'ineptitude' though there is that (and our 'ineptitude' as some put it had Nothing to do with that lying French w*nker & his venom filled OAP of a manager last season - that? was Their doing - yes we fcuked up our defence - but They began it - remember that). No it's the following; Don't you see? All this has happened Since H & G left or at the very least since it became obvious they were going to go prob' as far back as summer 2009 IIRR. I say this as before that? We were left alone or only occasionally picked on in the press & the problems H & G were causing to us & the damage they were doing despite taking us close to liquidation & it being a fucking scandal & a complete disgrace that such a mess was even allowed to happen in the much vaunted rich mans playground of the English PL? Well that was left alone or whispered about at best - why? Simple - whilst everyone outside LFC Knew what the twin horrors H & G were doing? As has been mentioned elsewhere on these pages? They hated/hate us So much? They were if not glad then certainly Wanting it to continue & as long as it did? They didn't care about us one way or another & were content for us to suffer. But us reunited without those two as owners (on & off the pitch)? Us rebuilding with all the money we earn that they once took in interest payments to the banks? Well that's a different matter - something had to be done to stop us (in certain eyes) and if you ask me? I think it's clear by now that it has been.............. But then? FSG took over & sacked everyones favourite cuddly OAP LMA star Woy Hodgson who was a major part of said damage (shock to them), United the club by bringing back a if not The legend (horror from those without once more) and then - worst of all in their eyes - began rebuilding the club with the (huge) amounts we once paid in interest now going on one thing only - Our Team (the shame, the shame). Yes the cash has been largely wasted with the odd gem amongst the dross brought in since Last January (Coates, Suarez & Allen to name a few) but no-one mentions 'net spend' or laughs at us about the interest payments we once made & complained were stopping us in the transfer market anymore as those outside the club always used to do to That argument; Why? Simple - haven't you noticed? That is when the hatred (which began around the time H & G were on their way out) started to mushroom soon after - the hoping Roy Hodgson gets his own back for Liverpool's "treatment of him" (copyright the national press) a theme now continued via Steve Clarke, the Suarez Disgrace orchestrated between Manchester & London, Annoying little clubs like Fulham, Portsmouth & Blackpool trying to get their two pennorth in & inflate transfers to a maximum for us then/now crying when we don't play ball & a barely concealed campaign (that eventually succeeded) against the man who Reunited us on & off the field (the King of course) by the National Press all season. Even tonight with the constant Hearts Cheerleading by ITV almost Willing a goal from them & going on about their chances next week when We were the ones who eventually scored - it's everywhere & it's not imagined - someone, somewhere has an agenda against us & has done for years - it's aim if you ask me? Is IMO to keep us as disunited & as weak as we can be on the pitch for as long as possible & IMO? It's only since Kenny & us decided to openly challenge that by uniting our club once more that this agenda has come more & more into the open so much so it's almost palpable now whenver we're on TV (barring our own channel of course). As To Who that person or persons might be? Well I'm not sure but I have a few ideas & no I'm not thinking of someone in football before you shout the obvious name though I think He's part of it - personally? I think that person's identity Will come out before long but for now? We shall see............ Oh & before I forget? All that evidence above was stuff I could recall without even mentioning the shocking referees & decisions this club has suffered from since at least the 2009/10 season when there were a number of awful shockers we were on the wrong end of; My only surprise is the authorities aren't even Hiding it anymore - the one thing they, the public outside of LFC's family/fans etc & most especially the rest of the PL as well as whoever is directing all this at us? do NOT want more than anything else? Well that's clear no? What they do Not want ever............Is a United Liverpool team that are one unshakeable whole on & off the pitch with No distractions from the media & the fans & players fully behind the manager & club at all times, As the team develop fully into what Rogers wants - why? Simple - because if we are given long enough like that to develop? Then we might just do the one thing they All fear & Prove them wrong by shoving their criticisms back down their throats with results, trophies & a return to the Real Liverpool of old - as Rafa' so nearly did; Anyway I believe with us now having come so close to making that happen once? In short? Clearly we really scared those behind all this & they're now resolved to do all they can to prevent a recurrence of How far Rafa' brought us happening once more hence Dowd's disgraceful performance on Sat' on behalf of the FA, PL & the rest of them. The only thing missing? Was his West Brom' shirt and club badge - I mean come on, TWO penalties & a Red Card for Agger for less of an offence than one that Kieran Richardson did in exactly the same way last season at Anfield for Sunderland & he stayed On the field? Make it a bit more obvious please do. You don't believe me? Look at last season at a similar time at Spurs where we had 2 men dismissed & our team kicked off the park or Stoke where Carra' gave away a soft penalty & several much stronger claims for us (in Both league games against them) were ignored then a few weeks after our home game? Stoke go to OT & concede from? Not 1 but Two pens' which are softer claims than any we had in 2 matches against them - again? They couldn't Make it more obvious. There was also the whole distasteful Evra business & the stunts that tw*t pulled in both league games to consider; Oh yes & I've argued the legal points which I understand quite well with others over all this ad nauseum & pointed out re' Evra that he'd be completely destroyed in a Real court - their response? He won't & would win simply because we're Liverpool & thus racist and not possibly able to win such a case erever it's held; After that? I just laughed at them & said I hope They never end up in court in that case as like Evra? Without evidence to back them up? these people would themselves be smashed out of sight in short order. But I suppose what I'm saying overall is if you look at things over the last few years & esp' since the summer of 2009 when it became obvious the twin horrors could Not hold onto us for much longer & much moreso now ever since they've gone? It's as though someone, somewhere has taken a conscious decision to make life as downright damn difficult as possible for us in terms of even returning to our former status as a member of the so-called 'big 4' (funny how we finished there 8 or 9 times before 2010 & yet Spurs who did it twice only in recent times are constantly touted to do this whilst we are not mentioned) never mind as challengers for the League Title here in England. To finish I'm not saying I know Why this is or Whose doing it (though I have a few ideas on that front) just that especially over the last year? This much Is true - what I have mentioned Is happening, is (if you ask me) quite clearly being directed from somewhere & has become increasingly obvious - Why? Who knows? I don't, but remember - just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're Not all out to get you & in our case? It's pretty damn obvious by now that someone most certainly is..................................

Glad he's gone - could see it coming a mile off in truth - Don't think Levy Ever Liked him in truth as He likes to run the show down there & can't do that when the Manager is taking all the plaudits no? Just one thing that's been bugging me reading this thread so far - Can some people please Stop saying Redknapp finished above us Every season? He didn't - In his first season (08/09)? He finished a Looooong distance behind us - It was the events of that summer of '09 that we're Still paying for that Really did us in re' Redknapp & that ensured He Did finish above us in his other Full seasons at White Flag Lane (see the FA Cup Semi-Final for Why I used That name) but in 08/09 re' Liverpool? Spurs were Miles away from us & not in the same galaxy On the pitch which only makes the subsequent collapse all the More heartbreaking IMO as that Liverpool team would have slaughtered in short order Any of Redknapp's teams in his 3 Full seasons at WHL whatever their improvement. The destruction of that team? Set us back years if not a decade. Anyway, I agree with what was said elsewhere here as well? He's paying for this disgraceful comments he made regarding Hicks & Gillette now to though belatedly & rightly so...........................