Keir Starmer

[Bruce Spanner]

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[Numero Veinticinco]

3 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Corbyn said "the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media." So Starmer just kicked him out for stating a fact. If you want to pretend that was justified, fair enough. I can't blame Corbyn if he doesn't make a new party either after all of the shit he endured as Labour leader.

 

Corbyn made a big impact on politics as leader too which is obvious to millions of people. That's why he was attacked for years on end and it's also why he's now suspended. Another thing is also obvious though : if Corbyn created a party now and didn't give a fuck what the media said or did, Starmer would never be elected at the next election without some type of coalition. I think we all know that, even if some of us don't like to admit it.

I think he’d be decimated and the movement would be set back decades. It’s the Tories wet dream. Why not just join Galloway at his Workers Part of GB? You were bigging them up the other day so surely he’s be a hit there. Get your knee pads out, Starmsy. 

[Brownie]

The main take from all of this for me is fuck Labour, basically.

[Red Phoenix]

Just now, The Guest said:

I think the reality is if Corbyn set up a new party then it would split the left vote considerably and because of first past the post the tories would win by a landslide.  I think if you’re any Corbyn to make a new party you have to accept that’s the reality.

 

Yep, same reason Sanders stayed loyal to the Dems too. If he didn't give a fuck about the media though and went for it he'd stand a good chance if depriving the Tories of seats to win I think, along with those that voted Labour, Lib Dems and so on.

[skend04]

9 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

Who mentioned policies? I didn't. 

So then there's nothing to suggest that he's more Tory than Tony Blair. Good to clear that up then.

[Gooch]

As if Corbyn setting up a new party will make any difference or impact. It's honestly incredible how delusional some of you are. Yet again a decent chunk of this chat showing how unbelievably out of touch with reality they are. You could take the same group of 4 or 5 crackpots, do the exact opposite of everything they think/recommend and it would go a massive way to getting labour back into power and improving the political situation in this country. Incredible stuff.

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

I think he’d be decimated and the movement would be set back decades. It’s the Tories wet dream. Why not just join Galloway at his Workers Part of GB? You were bigging them up the other day so surely he’s be a hit there. Get your knee pads out, Starmsy. 

 

Galloway started off well then he became obsessed with the SNP and hampering Scotland's chances of voting for independence so I can't take him seriously really.

[ZonkoVille77]

2 minutes ago, skend04 said:

So then there's nothing to suggest that he's more Tory than Tony Blair. Good to clear that up then.

 

There is a difference between a "man" and "policies". Hope that helps. 

[Rico1304]

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

 

Galloway started off well then he became obsessed with the SNP and hampering Scotland's chances of voting for independence so I can't take him seriously really.

Mate, that’s what is going to happen with any of these old Labour guys. They’ve failed to adapt and failed to modernise so they can apply the values to the modern world over the next 100 years. It’ll be a protest party that fizzles into nothing. 

[The Guest]

1 minute ago, Gooch said:

As if Corbyn setting up a new party will make any difference or impact. It's honestly incredible how delusional some of you are. Yet again a decent chunk of this chat showing how unbelievably out of touch with reality they are. You could take the same group of 4 or 5 crackpots, do the exact opposite of everything they think/recommend and it would go a massive way to getting labour back into power and improving the political situation in this country. Incredible stuff.

I don’t know if you noticed but hundreds of thousands of people joined the Labour Party as a result of genuine economically left wing MP getting the chance of leading party.  If Corbyn left and even half that amount signed up to his party that would make them the biggest party in the country (unless you don’t ignore the Labour Party still counting members that no longer pay their subs).  If the new party then offered the same manifesto as 2017 the vast majority of young people would vote for it in comparison to Starmer being evasive and not committing to anything.  At worst it would force Starmer to actually have some left wing policies through fear of losing votes.  If you think it wouldn’t have any impact then you are as delusional as you are stupid.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

1 minute ago, Gooch said:

As if Corbyn setting up a new party will make any difference or impact. It's honestly incredible how delusional some of you are. Yet again a decent chunk of this chat showing how unbelievably out of touch with reality they are. You could take the same group of 4 or 5 crackpots, do the exact opposite of everything they think/recommend and it would go a massive way to getting labour back into power and improving the political situation in this country. Incredible stuff.

Corbyn has called for calm while he challenges the decision. McDonnell has dampened talk of splits etc. So, a new party is unlikely and was a hypothetical idea. 

 

But, in the event that Labour do lose "the left" to the greens, a more left leaning Lib Dems, smaller socialist parties, independents or just none of the above apathy, do you honestly see them winning a general election? 

[mattyq]

 

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Mate, that’s what is going to happen with any of these old Labour guys. They’ve failed to adapt and failed to modernise so they can apply the values to the modern world over the next 100 years. It’ll be a protest party that fizzles into nothing. 

 

Well we'll just go around in circles I think, because I think Corbyn was doing well until this antisemitism bullshit started up.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

9 minutes ago, ZonkoVille77 said:

 

There is a difference between a "man" and "policies". Hope that helps. 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

I’m getting strong Robbie leaving Take That vibes, anyone else?

[Scooby Dudek]

10 minutes ago, Nummer Neunzehn said:

Mate, that’s what is going to happen with any of these old Labour guys. They’ve failed to adapt and failed to modernise so they can apply the values to the modern world over the next 100 years. It’ll be a protest party that fizzles into nothing. 

Could you please explain what you mean by the bit in bold ? 

 

Do you mean in relation to policies or presentation or talk of class etc ? 

 

This is not a dig, just interested, as I believe things like nationalisation and talk of the 1%( for want of a better term) are more relevant now than ever. So obviously I would like to know what you are talking about in context to modernise.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

New New Labour. The bad snitches party. 

[Rico1304]

The non-racists now have Rachel Riley trending on Twitter.  Way to prove a point.  

[Scooby Dudek]

2 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

New New Labour. The bad snitches party. 

Where's that from ?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

He's not going. Get over it.

[Strontium]

4 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The non-racists now have Rachel Riley trending on Twitter.  Way to prove a point.  

 

It's just so needless and self-defeating. Even if they had deluded themselves into thinking the whole EHRC thing was some gigantic smear, the smart move would have been to accept it, shut up and move on. Instead they keep banging the same old drum because it's more important to "win the argument" than it is to win elections and actually effect positive change in this country.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

6 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Where's that from ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/michaeljswalker/status/1321822031026020353

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

The non-racists now have Rachel Riley trending on Twitter.  Way to prove a point.  

She tweeted this

 

 

 

 

She is a cunt. 

 

[Red Phoenix]

31 minutes ago, Gooch said:

As if Corbyn setting up a new party will make any difference or impact. It's honestly incredible how delusional some of you are.

 

You're delusional yourself if you think Corbyn setting up a new party would have no impact, and so is anyone else. You can say what you want though because you know he's not doing it. You'd soon go quiet though if he did and started gathering hundreds of thousands, if not millions of voters. But then you and others would probably just start whining about Corbyn splitting the vote instead and switch the subject.

 

Corbyn made no difference, changed nothing, had no impact, etc. That's one of the biggest bullshit themes of this entire thread. Well now that Starmer has just unfairly suspended him from the party don't expect to be moving on from reading about him any time soon.