General Election 2019

[Guest Pistonbroke]

3 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Just this site. We're all, to a man, obsessed with Lib Dems.

Sexist. 

[Mudface]

20 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I went to that Best For Britain site at https://www.getvoting.org put in my postcode, and got this back-

 

 

along with-

 

 

Which is clearly nonsense. The Tory MP at the moment is anything put a remain MP, he's consistently voted with the government on everything Brexit-related. I wouldn't have said the Scottish Tories were for remain either. Worst of all, the constituency is a Tory/ SNP marginal, with Labour in 3rd. The Lib Dems get barely 3%, what the fuck's the point of voting for them? This site's really dangerous if people are relying on it to cast their vote.

To add to that, I put my old postcode for the Haltemprice and Howden consistency in. It recommended I voted Lib Dem- these were the results at the last election-

 

General election 2017: Haltemprice and Howden^[10][11]

Party		Candidate	Votes	%	±
	Conservative	David Davis	31,355	61.0	+6.8
	Labour	Hollie Devanney	15,950	31.0	+10.0
	Liberal Democrat	David Nolan	2,482	4.8	-1.4
	Yorkshire Party	Diana Wallis	942	1.8	+0.8
	Green	Angela Needham	711	1.4	-2.3
Majority			15,405	30.0	-3.2
Turnout			51,440	72.4	+3.9
	Conservative hold		Swing	-1.6

 

 

How would voting Lib Dem there help in any way?

[aRdja]

8 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Is the obsession with Lib Dems confined to this site only, or is this a wider phenomenon among Labour voters?

Are they really perceived as that dangerous to Labour?

To be fair, the truth is the other way around. You can’t stop Lib Dems politicians and voters from talking about Jeremy Corbyn. Compare Corbyn’s and Swinson’s twitter timelines if you don’t believe me.

[clockspeed]

2 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

I'm not sure they know what they want themselves mate, well apart from bungs. The Tories paid them to jump into bed then threw them under a bus. They have said they are opposing the latest deal vehemently yet they are the only main party in NI that supports Brexit, they have left themselves with nowhere to go. 

I suppose they could still campaign for a no deal Brexit rather than remain or BJ deal. Puts them in league with Nigel F Brexit party thinking . 

[Anubis]

11 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Just this site. We're all, to a man, obsessed with Lib Dems.

I count Lib Dems jumping a farmyard fence just to get to sleep.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, clockspeed said:

I suppose they could still campaign for a no deal Brexit rather than remain or BJ deal. Puts them in league with Nigel F Brexit party thinking . 

I can't see that being popular with those voters in the marginal seats. Don't be surprised to see them lose at least 2 seats. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

2 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I count Lib Dems jumping a farmyard fence just to get to sleep.

[Denny Crane]

Full speech below in the link, nice mention of the super yacht. 

The future is ours to make, together” – Corbyn’s campaign launch speech

https://labourlist.org/2019/10/the-future-is-ours-to-make-together-corbyns-campaign-launch-speech/?amp&__twitter_impression=true

 

 

And the big question of this election is: whose side are you on? Are you on the side of the tax dodgers, who are taking us all for a ride? People who think it’s OK to rip people off and hide their money in tax havens so they can have a new super yacht.

 

Or are you on the side of the children with special educational needs who aren’t getting the support they deserve because of Tory and Lib Dem government cuts?

Whose side are you on? The dodgy landlords like the Duke of Westminster, Britain’s youngest billionaire, who tried to evict whole blocks of families to make way for luxury apartments? Or the millions of tenants in Britain who struggle to pay their rent each month?

Whose side are you on? The bad bosses like Mike Ashley, the billionaire who won’t pay his staff properly and is running Newcastle United into the ground? Or his exploited workforce like the woman who was reportedly forced to give birth in a warehouse toilet because she was terrified of missing her shift?

Whose side are you on? The big polluters like Jim Ratcliffe, Britain’s richest man, who makes his money by polluting the environment? Or the children growing up in our cities with reduced lung capacity because of choking pollution?

Whose side are you on? The greedy bankers like Crispin Odey, who makes millions betting against our country and has donated huge sums to Johnson and the Conservative Party? Or are you on the side of working people who create the wealth that’s then squirreled away in tax havens?

And whose side are you on? The billionaire media barons like Rupert Murdoch, whose empire pumps out propaganda to support a rigged system. Or the overwhelming majority who want to live in a decent, fair, diverse and prosperous society?

You know whose side Labour’s on – a Labour government will be on your side. Together, we can pull down a corrupt system and build a fairer country that cares for all. 

And we have something that the Rupert Murdochs, the Mike Ashleys, and the Boris Johnsons don’t have.

We have people. Hundreds of thousands of people in every part of our country who will make this the biggest people-powered campaign in history.

 

 

 

[Anubis]

It goes more

 

Jo

Leyla

Wera

Ed

Heidi

Luciana

Tom

Vince

Tim

Chuka...    ....oh no, Chuka’s run off to a neighbouring pasture....

 

[moof]

28 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Is the obsession with Lib Dems confined to this site only, or is this a wider phenomenon among Labour voters?

Are they really perceived as that dangerous to Labour?

They’re a danger to civilised society 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

They’re a danger to civilised society 

And the flag bearers of lies and hypocrisy. 

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, Mudface said:

To add to that, I put my old postcode for the Haltemprice and Howden consistency in. It recommended I voted Lib Dem- these were the results at the last election-

 

General election 2017: Haltemprice and Howden^[10][11]

Party		Candidate	Votes	%	±
	Conservative	David Davis	31,355	61.0	+6.8
	Labour	Hollie Devanney	15,950	31.0	+10.0
	Liberal Democrat	David Nolan	2,482	4.8	-1.4
	Yorkshire Party	Diana Wallis	942	1.8	+0.8
	Green	Angela Needham	711	1.4	-2.3
Majority			15,405	30.0	-3.2
Turnout			51,440	72.4	+3.9
	Conservative hold		Swing	-1.6

 

 

How would voting Lib Dem there help in any way?

 

The mistake that you, and many others, seem to be making, is that you are looking at the 2017 and 2015 results, and nothing else. Elections in which the Lib Dems hit historical lows that they have now recovered from.

 

Look at what happened in Haltemprice and Howden in 2010, or the 2019 European election. Those are better indicators than the outliers of 2015 and 2017.

 

Surely even the most biased individual can see that using elections in which the Lib Dems polled 7% as a baseline is a gross error when they are polling nearer 20%.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Recovered from...hahahahaha. They are only gaining votes due to Brexit, they'll be back to being irrelevant soon enough. Especially if they carry on their current status of being a shelter for ex Tories. 

[Strontium]

33 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Is the obsession with Lib Dems confined to this site only, or is this a wider phenomenon among Labour voters?

Are they really perceived as that dangerous to Labour?

 

It's the whole of the Labour Party. They spend more time attacking the Lib Dems than attacking the Tories. In a way it's quite flattering, but I don't think it helps progressive politics much.

[Denny Crane]

 

 

 

[moof]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It's the whole of the Labour Party. They spend more time attacking the Lib Dems than attacking the Tories. In a way it's quite flattering, but I don't think it helps progressive politics much.

Lmao

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Recovered from...hahahahaha. They are only gaining votes due to Brexit, they'll be back to being irrelevant soon enough. Especially if they carry on their current status of being a shelter for ex Tories. 

 

I completely agree that we are only gaining votes because voters prefer our policies to those of Labour. Long may it continue.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

It's the whole of the Labour Party. They spend more time attacking the Lib Dems than attacking the Tories. In a way it's quite flattering, but I don't think it helps progressive politics much.

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I completely agree that we are only gaining votes because voters prefer our policies to those of Labour. Long may it continue.

If it wasn't for Brexit the Libs wouldn't even be in the conversation for this GE unless they were cosying up to the Tories. Again. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I completely agree that we are only gaining votes because voters prefer our policies to those of Labour. Long may it continue.

 

You're deluding yourself. I get you are Lib Dem through and through, but you don't half stretch the truth at times when discussing politics. 

[Strontium]

Attacks on the Lib Dems really stepped up after this poll was released:

 

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/jeremy-corbyn-with-labour-voters-1-6261466

 

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Labour voters prefer Jo Swinson to Jeremy Corbyn, poll finds

Jonathon Read
PUBLISHED: 10:57 10 September 2019 | UPDATED: 11:15 10 September 2019

A new opinion poll suggests that Labour voters prefer the Lib Dem leader Jo Swinson to Labour's Jeremy Corbyn.

The poll, carried out by Opinium, looked at net approval ratings for the main party leaders.

It found that with Labour voters in the 2017 general election more back Jo Swinson over Jeremy Corbyn.

According to the figures Boris Johnson has an approval rating of -46, Nigel Farage has an approval rating -38 and Jeremy Corbyn has a rating of -6.

Jo Swinson, on the otherhand, had a rating of +4.

 

I think it's a strategic error which risks handing a majority to Boris Johnson, but what do I know.

[moof]

Trolololol 

[aRdja]

I don’t understand why people lie when it’s very easy to just verify/debunk nowadays.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Swinson (from%3Ajeremycorbyn)&src=typed_query

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=corbyn (from%3Ajoswinson)&src=typed_query&f=live

[Anubis]

Thread. Not writing off Best For Britain but suggests changes are needed.

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

You're deluding yourself. I get you are Lib Dem through and through, but you don't half stretch the truth at times when discussing politics. 

 

Just now, viRdjil said:

I don’t understand why people lie when it’s very easy to just verify/debunk nowadays.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=Swinson (from%3Ajeremycorbyn)&src=typed_query

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/search?q=corbyn (from%3Ajoswinson)&src=typed_query&f=live

But but.... its the truth? Its always the truth? 

 

 

 

 

it isn't.