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Transgender stuff - what's going on?


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10 minutes ago, Champ said:

There is increasing evidence of young people presenting to services with gender identity issues being assessed as having autistic spectrum disorder conditions but everyone in the field is/should be learning and one does not exclude the other and not everyone presenting with gender identity issues will be assessed to have mental health disorders or conditions

 

That is across the board though - it is astounding the increase in these assessments. To include it there seemed strange to me when I would imagine that would be of equal concern for every patient. Unless there is evidence that those conditions are more prevalent in kids seeking gender therapy.

Is it that providers are getting better at the assessment itself? Or understanding the results more thoroughly?

Why such a dramatic jump?

 

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21 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

 

80 weeks in Sefton last I heard 

 

 

I stumbled across the NHS dataset tracking this last year while doing some research for work and I have never seen a more clearly broken pathway. There is no capacity at all, totally underfunded and over utilised.

 

Referral guidance needs an overhaul (and I feel safe in the assumption that NICE have done a good job, it's just the landscape has changed).

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

 Children aren’t capable of making life choices. Particularly when they are given no or incorrect data.  It’s a medical scandal, but I can see why you wouldn’t think giving kids mastectomies, risking cancer, sterilisation, slowing brain development and putting them on a pathway to a lifetime of drugs isn’t important.  Oh, hold on…

yep

because thats exactly what i said

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53 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:


kids were rushed to blockers and social transition without exploring other reasons for dysphoria. The kids were all massively over represented in autism, other mental health issues and even sexual abuse. 

 

By whom? 

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53 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

That is across the board though - it is astounding the increase in these assessments. To include it there seemed strange to me when I would imagine that would be of equal concern for every patient. Unless there is evidence that those conditions are more prevalent in kids seeking gender therapy.

Is it that providers are getting better at the assessment itself? Or understanding the results more thoroughly?

Why such a dramatic jump?

 

 

In terms of ASD/C numbers jumping it is identification really. Children are being identified much earlier in schools and put on the pathway, rather than just being labelled thick or naughty. Schools get extra money for children with specific SEND diagnosis which the skint councils have to pay for so the councils drag their feet with educational psychologists and resist handing out EHCPs as best as they can because they can't afford it. The system is well and truly goosed. 

 

I could moan about this for hours but doesn't seem the thread. 

 

Covid seems to have had a huge impact on numbers and actually forcing parents to spend time trying to teach their own kids and realising something isn't right. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

it is identification really.

 

Agreed, and it is up massively across the board. In the context of this discussion that is why it seemed odd to me that was pointed out. Unless there is a reason for it and Rico's response is it imo.

Whether there is data to back it up or not there certainly seems to be an undercurrent of thought that a kid experiencing gender issues is more likely to be Id'ed. 

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15 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

Agreed, and it is up massively across the board. In the context of this discussion that is why it seemed odd to me that was pointed out. Unless there is a reason for it and Rico's response is it imo.

Whether there is data to back it up or not there certainly seems to be an undercurrent of thought that a kid experiencing gender issues is more likely to be Id'ed. 


These issues were exceptionally rare to non existent when I first started working but responding to the distress of young people who present with gender identity issues has become an increasingly significant part of our work. As time has gone by it has also emerged that many of these young people who are seen by medical and psychological services are being assessed as being on the autistic spectrum. I’m not sure whether they’re 2 separate conditions or if gender identity is a young person seeking to find an explanation for their difficulties negotiating the world around them.

 

But you’re right, Howie, if as I think you’re suggesting, this group is getting access to ASD assessments not open to the wider population which may in itself be skewing the figures

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4 hours ago, Arniepie said:

 dont normally comment on this subject, but I find it a bit odd why all these middle age men are utterly obsessed, because a person they dont know has decided to change gender, and it doesnt affect them in the slightest.. 

 

Well no I suppose not, and I don't understand why it should be an obsession - I suspect that's due to a lot of rubbish going on in the country - pick a side, entrench yourself and defend your position.  But, it might affect their loved ones and they're allowed to care about them.

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One step ADHD diagnosis for blokes is to count the number of toilet rolls they have on the go at any given time. More than one suggests a behavioural pattern of being easily distracted...

 

 

 

(this might not be sufficient for a full diagnosis)

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7 minutes ago, Moo said:

 

Well no I suppose not, and I don't understand why it should be an obsession - I suspect that's due to a lot of rubbish going on in the country - pick a side, entrench yourself and defend your position.  But, it might affect their loved ones and they're allowed to care about them.

it was more a reference to a man is a man and a woman is a woman brigade.

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Are the morons still parroting the ‘funded by the religious right’ bollocks?  

 

Julie Bindel

Sal Grover (who is likely to lose her case this week for having the temerity to set up a women’s only app)

Alison Bailey

Helen Joyce

Kathleen Stock

JKR

Jo Phoenix 

 


 

Here’s the notable far right conservative JKR.  
 

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778106037251236076?s=46&t=wTmhxkVCGgzL1q3_vvfmTA

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3 hours ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

I've been waiting for an ADHD assessment since last August. These kids need to get in line.

I would love to hear what brought you to looking for an assessment but understand if you’d rather not

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4 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Are the morons still parroting the ‘funded by the religious right’ bollocks?  

 

Julie Bindel

Sal Grover (who is likely to lose her case this week for having the temerity to set up a women’s only app)

Alison Bailey

Helen Joyce

Kathleen Stock

JKR

Jo Phoenix 

 


 

Here’s the notable far right conservative JKR.  
 

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778106037251236076?s=46&t=wTmhxkVCGgzL1q3_vvfmTA


Broken link

 

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1778105223728255439?s=46&t=wTmhxkVCGgzL1q3_vvfmTA

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Stonewall…

 

https://x.com/hennieinglis/status/1778124760074870866?s=46&t=wTmhxkVCGgzL1q3_vvfmTA

 

I’m sure I predicted this.  

Predicted the posters who’ll deny they ever defended kids being mutilated. 
 

My all time favourite was the stand up guy who said ‘women are already raped in prisons so why did it matter if they get raped more? ‘.  Top poster too.  But remember talking to a Tory is unconscionable. 
 

 

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9 hours ago, Pidge said:

The overview is not too long, people can read about the much needed (evidenced by the demand) expansion and improvement of treatment and service provision for themselves.

 

Rico has been a proven advocate for the provision of care to transgender people and does not have a track record of portraying them as liars, fantasists and predators at all. Internet points to the gasman. How the new car going? What range do you get?

 

https://cass.independent-review.uk/home/publications/final-report/

 

Will have a read of the full report later, looking forward to seeing what actual evidence says for a change.


Car is amazing thanks. 
 

240 miles now it’s a bit warmer. £7 per

full charge. 

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24 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Stonewall…

 

https://x.com/hennieinglis/status/1778124760074870866?s=46&t=wTmhxkVCGgzL1q3_vvfmTA

 

I’m sure I predicted this.  

Predicted the posters who’ll deny they ever defended kids being mutilated. 
 

My all time favourite was the stand up guy who said ‘women are already raped in prisons so why did it matter if they get raped more? ‘.  Top poster too.  But remember talking to a Tory is unconscionable. 
 

 

 

Someone here said that?

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2 hours ago, Champ said:

I would love to hear what brought you to looking for an assessment but understand if you’d rather not

 

No worries. My nephew's autistic, and this lead my sister to do a lot of research into neurodiversity. She realised loads of her own personality traits mirrored his, and got assessed. Bingo. 

 

She pointed out some stuff to me and sent over one of the preliminary questionnaire forms. I"d always thought she was pulling my leg when she said certain things I did were textbook ADHD, but I was ticking all the boxes.

 

Been on antidepressants since I was 17, social anxiety, suicidal periods, thought I might be bi-polar, but this probably makes more sense. My brain just never shuts up. I'm trying not to research it myself though, as I worry it could affect an accurate assessment. I'd rather go in blind, so to speak.

 

Been waiting since August. I said I'd go via Right To Choose, but they must have a massive waiting list.

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9 hours ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

 

No worries. My nephew's autistic, and this lead my sister to do a lot of research into neurodiversity. She realised loads of her own personality traits mirrored his, and got assessed. Bingo. 

 

She pointed out some stuff to me and sent over one of the preliminary questionnaire forms. I"d always thought she was pulling my leg when she said certain things I did were textbook ADHD, but I was ticking all the boxes.

 

Been on antidepressants since I was 17, social anxiety, suicidal periods, thought I might be bi-polar, but this probably makes more sense. My brain just never shuts up. I'm trying not to research it myself though, as I worry it could affect an accurate assessment. I'd rather go in blind, so to speak.

 

Been waiting since August. I said I'd go via Right To Choose, but they must have a massive waiting list.


Thanks, Babbs and good luck. There really does appear to be increasing recognition of the prevalence of neurodivergence and also the hereditary nature of AS conditions. I’m at the stage of testing almost all behaviour through the prism of neurodivergence on a personal and professional level. In a work setting it is quite easy to identify the ‘there in plain sight’ explanations of parents’ difficulties managing their children’s behaviour and equally their difficulties engaging successfully with ‘support’ services. 

 

I wonder about myself sometimes but couldn’t justify taking up a place on overstretched waiting lists. I’m probably largely an ‘introvert’ with ADHD traits trying not to be too hard on myself

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