Transgender stuff - what's going on?

[Moo]

14 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

That was the crux of the case - the mother served time for neglect, that is a crime, not withholding medication. The child ended back up with the family and died from lack of insulin. Someone may remember what thread it is in.

Education - plenty of people homeschool and there is no Federal truancy law so not sure what you mean there - unless truancy laws are different in the UK. Fun fact - truancy laws were enacted so both parents could work.

Car seats - that was again commerce driven law. Insurance companies demanded that, same with seat belts for adults, and air bags.

 

As for the last - it depends on what we are talking about but I cannot think of anything I would support the government legislating.

What are you thinking of?

 

Home schooling is education, and children in the UK should be provided with an education by law.  There are also truancy laws.  Prison sentences can result. And it's established there's child neglect laws in place.

In addition there's other safeguarding measures put in place for children (and adults, vulnerable or otherwise), whatever the driver. Why would this be any different?

[TheHowieLama]

12 minutes ago, Moo said:

Why would this be any different?

 

For a myriad of reasons that have been discussed. It's not the same as a drinking age, or getting a drivers license, or the right to vote, or if you like truancy.

 

You may be able to answer it yourself - why would forced medication be any different?

[Jack the Sipper]

10 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

I most certainly feel that a family makes any decision regarding their child, certainly not any gubmint - the rest of it has nothing to do with it.

 

Think if you really boiled it down - from reading your posts here - your feeling is that the parents are not making the right decision. Two different things entirely.

 

 

So you believe in the individual rights of the child - but that it's for parents, not the child, to decide what's best for them? Make it make sense.

 

And what makes you think that parent will necessarily be the best person to make a drastic decision like deciding a child is the wrong gender and needs life changing surgery or PBs anyway? You are aware that, in many instances, the government takes choices away from both the parent and the child. Presumably you're against all of this as a matter of principle - or, again, is this more about them being allowed PBs in particular?

[Moo]

9 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

For a myriad of reasons that have been discussed. It's not the same as a drinking age, or getting a drivers license, or the right to vote, or if you like truancy.

 

You may be able to answer it yourself - why would forced medication be any different?

 

I don't know if "forced" medication would be any different. In the UK I expect that a parent not providing a child with medication when recommended would fall under neglect laws, i.e. medical neglect, and could result in prosecution.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, Jack the Sipper said:

 

So you believe in the individual rights of the child - but that it's for parents, not the child, to decide what's best for them? Make it make sense.

 

And what makes you think that parent will necessarily be the best person to make a drastic decision like deciding a child is the wrong gender and needs life changing surgery or PBs anyway? You are aware that, in many instances, the government takes choices away from both the parent and the child. Presumably you're against all of this as a matter of principle - or, again, is this more about them being allowed PBs in particular?

 

Again, there is no question your reaction is about the procedure and you obviously have a problem with that so are questioning the parent's decision. That's cool.

What is your take on gubmint legislation re: abortion?

To help it make sense to you - post a couple other scenarios where you feel the gubmint should trump an individuals or a families individual health choices so we can discuss the actual issue, not this topic.

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, Moo said:

 

I don't know if "forced" medication would be any different. In the UK I expect that a parent not providing a child with medication when recommended would fall under neglect laws, i.e. medical neglect, and could result in prosecution.

Please read up on the case - everything you are assuming - or expecting - did not happen.

[Moo]

1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Please read up on the case - everything you are assuming - or expecting - did not happen.

 

I'm speaking generally. There are child neglect laws in the UK that include medical neglect. Safeguarding, by law, for children is commonplace.

[Bjornebye]

No skin in the game but this made me laugh 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

[Bjornebye]

[redinblack]

Thst made me laugh more than somewhat

[Bjornebye]

[Mudface]

52 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Twitter in particular and social media as a whole summed up. Get news 'quickly', get lied to and brigaded. It's malignant.

 

I'm doing the same here. I don't know who that guy is, but he's said something that resonates with me.

[Section_31]

When all the transgender stuff dies down Rico will go into retirement like Bruce Wayne.

 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

9 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

When all the transgender stuff dies down Rico will go into retirement like Bruce Wayne.

 

 

Nah, Rico's got staying power. He'll be like a Japanese soldier who refuses to accept the war's over. He'll take to the hills, then run out in full fatigues shouting "Banzai!" at Clare Balding thinking she's Eddie Izzard.

[Section_31]

[Strontium]

23 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I don't know who that guy is

 

Well he's clearly not a biologist.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

49 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Well he's clearly not a biologist.

Whereas you, of course, are a qualified doctor who has personally carried out a thorough examination of Imane Khelif.

[Lee909]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

When all the transgender stuff dies down Rico will go into retirement like Bruce Wayne.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

[Jairzinho]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c07ev1v7r4po

 

 

[Bjornebye]

On 21/08/2024 at 12:24, TheHowieLama said:

She’s shit herself because she knows she was lying. I wonder if she’s going to apologise for being wrong as well? 

[Pidge]

Seems pretty clear that both the CEO and their direction through the app has been discriminatory on the basis of gender as well as sex, rather than their claim that it was only based on biological sex, and the CEO has gotten involved in harassment of the claimant. Never going to go well. 

 

But hiding behind old case law to avoid having to distinguish between the two concepts is pathetic from the judge. Hopefully something the government can clarify and take the precedents from a time when transition was wrongly called a "sex change" out of the equation. It just doesn't fit the current discourse or cultural zeitgeist.

[TheHowieLama]

10 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She’s shit herself because she knows she was lying. I wonder if she’s going to apologise for being wrong as well? 

I doubt she took those actions were because she felt she was wrong, much less needs to apologize.

[Strontium]

On 21/08/2024 at 12:24, TheHowieLama said:

 

Funny how they don't post any of the alleged deleted Tweets, isn't it.