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11 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A new Jewish conspiracy theory: the Jews are promoting anti-Semitism.

 

"JVL is an organisation established for the sole purpose to obfuscate and apologise for antisemitism within the Labour party."

The wrong type of Jews.

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35 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A new Jewish conspiracy theory: the Jews are promoting anti-Semitism.

 

"JVL is an organisation established for the sole purpose to obfuscate and apologise for antisemitism within the Labour party."

That article is a brilliant piece of fiction. The wreath bit is untrue.  The Hezbollah bit is untrue, if it refers to Sajid Javid's recent decision to proscribe Hezbollah. Labour didn't contest this decision. The "defence" of the mural bit is untrue too. Or at least dishonest. It suggests that Corbyn was aware that it was antisemitic and then defended it. That's simply not true.

 

The letter also contains vast amounts of hearsay. The author is obviously fond of hearsay as he appears to believe the totally unsubstantiated claim that Corbyn tried to block Williamson's suspension. Then there's the offensive and often used "wrong kind of Jews" rhetoric. And the logically crazy assertion that Corbyn can stop his supporters (not necessarily Labour Party members) from tweeting abusive stuff. He can ask them too. He has. That's all he can do. We never see any other politicians being held personally responsible for bad things that their voters and supporters say. Just Corbyn. The bit about the CLP motions is also dishonest. It's a correct response to untrue, or at least highly contestable, claims that the party is institutionally antisemitic. The comments on Berger are twisted too. People have legitimate grounds to hold her to account for being non-committal when refusing to answer when asked if she was planning to leave the party. The bit about the Observer report into interference in the disciplinary process is untrue. See the emails above. There is no evidence to suggest attempts to "protect" people. There's been a common sense approach adopted, a reasonable request to seek clarification on certain matters, whilst at all times leaving the option of the originally suggested sanction - suspension - on the table. 

 

But, apart from all of the above, it's a great letter... 

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3 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

We never see any other politicians being held personally responsible for bad things that their voters and supporters say. Just Corbyn.

Exhibit A 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47454993 

When the Tories finally pull their fingers out and discipline members for the anti-Muslim racism that runs right through their party, the case centres on a Facebook page supporting Jacob Rees-Mogg.  Obviously, no criticism of the MP himself is suggested in the report and the twat himself has done nothing except a generic tweet - a counter-factual piece of shit used as a dig at Labour.

 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Exhibit A 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47454993 

When the Tories finally pull their fingers out and discipline members for the anti-Muslim racism that runs right through their party, the case centres on a Facebook page supporting Jacob Rees-Mogg.  Obviously, no criticism of the MP himself is suggested in the report and the twat himself has done nothing except a generic tweet - a counter-factual piece of shit used as a dig at Labour.

 

 

 

 

Whereas, note the different tone and angle... 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/labour-anti-semitism-facebook-groups-corbyn-latest/

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In other news, Margaret Hodge, who often talks about "building trust" in her many letters to Corbyn, has today revealed that she secretly tape recorded her recent meeting with the party leader. 

 

You couldn't write this shit! 

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24 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

In other news, Margaret Hodge, who often talks about "building trust" in her many letters to Corbyn, has today revealed that she secretly tape recorded her recent meeting with the party leader. 

 

You couldn't write this shit! 

He'll be bang to rights, now.  She's bound to have evidence of him saying "You know who I love? Terrorists.  Can't stand the Jews, mind."  He's always coming out with stuff like that.  He just can't help himself.

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On 3/3/2019 at 7:46 AM, Rico1304 said:

Ha ha, quick move the goalposts. 

I've just spotted this.   To recap...

• Jennie Formby wrote to Tom Watson to point out that his proposals presented a GDPR risk.

• Rico said that was wrong and stupid.

• Everyone else said it's not; Formby is right.

•Rico smugly cites a GDPR expert who says that Watson's proposals do not constitute a GDPR breach.

• I posted the full blog, which says that Formby is right (i.e. neither wrong nor stupid) to highlight the risk.

 

Conclusion.

I moved the goalposts. 

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10 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Starting to see the appeal of revolutionary socialism as opposed to democratic socialism.

Brilliant, the masses uprise, storm the winter palace and stand on tables waving bits of paper at eachother whilst you sun yourself in Spain. Thanks a lot.

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4 minutes ago, A Red said:

Brilliant, the masses uprise, storm the winter palace and stand on tables waving bits of paper at eachother whilst you sun yourself in Spain. Thanks a lot.

 

I'll have you know it's raining today. 

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On 3/5/2019 at 10:19 AM, Jose Jones said:

I reckon lobbies 1-33 probably do control American policy more, to be honest.

Lobby 34 is just getting rather prominent attention at the moment due to all the “anti-seminism” proxy wars.

 

Not good for Israel or Jewish people generally in the long run I reckon.

1-33 are probably happy for 34 to keep shaking the tree and providing a spectacle whilst they continue to grab power and dominate behind the scenes.

Terrorism and global strife aid the new superpowers like Faceache & Google as they look for more power and access over the "domains" they control.

Also there is a lot of finger wagging around Huawei and their trustworthiness with regards to providing core network infrastructure for Government agencies of the West (incl ANZ), yet 2 of the dominant firewall companies (basically they see all network ingress and egress traffic onto corporate networks are both israeli (checkpoint and Palo Alto), there is a question to be asked how they are to be trusted where the chinese systems are not and is the reason the US push hard against Huawei in order to get more uptake on israali and American owned kit).

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11 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Exhibit A 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47454993 

When the Tories finally pull their fingers out and discipline members for the anti-Muslim racism that runs right through their party, the case centres on a Facebook page supporting Jacob Rees-Mogg.  Obviously, no criticism of the MP himself is suggested in the report and the twat himself has done nothing except a generic tweet - a counter-factual piece of shit used as a dig at Labour.

 

 

 

 

But the Muslim Council of Britain said the level of prejudice within the party was "astonishing" and the claims should be independently investigated.

"We've seen MPs, councillors and members engage in bigotry that should have no place in a modern Conservative Party," a spokesman said.

"Yet the constructive call by Muslim communities for an independent inquiry into the issue has been ignored again and again. Instead we hear excuses, denials and the responses we would expect when there is an institutional problem."

 

 

 

Wrong type of Muslims ?

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On 3/4/2019 at 11:22 PM, Red Phoenix said:

Glenno has just linked to the resolution Dems have made. They did at least refer to the poster those cunts put up about Omar so that's something. But they made nowhere near enough noise about it, fucking sickens me that poster and how little uproar it caused.

 

 

You might be interested in this brilliant piece from "Glenno." 

 

https://theintercept.com/2019/03/05/the-house-democrats-rebuke-of-rep-ilhan-omar-is-a-fraud-for-many-reasons-including-its-wild-distortion-of-her-comments/

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1 hour ago, arthur friedenreich said:

1-33 are probably happy for 34 to keep shaking the tree and providing a spectacle whilst they continue to grab power and dominate behind the scenes.

Terrorism and global strife aid the new superpowers like Faceache & Google as they look for more power and access over the "domains" they control.

Also there is a lot of finger wagging around Huawei and their trustworthiness with regards to providing core network infrastructure for Government agencies of the West (incl ANZ), yet 2 of the dominant firewall companies (basically they see all network ingress and egress traffic onto corporate networks are both israeli (checkpoint and Palo Alto), there is a question to be asked how they are to be trusted where the chinese systems are not and is the reason the US push hard against Huawei in order to get more uptake on israali and American owned kit).

 

Can we really classify Palo Alto as an Israeli company?

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I got rid of our entire fleet of Checkpoint firewalls a few years ago. Not that you can trust U.S. companies fully, but I don't feel comfortable with Checkpoint. They are a also pain in the hole to support.

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1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

 

Haha yeah read it last night. He really rips into them and it's a good pointer at how powerful the Israeli lobby is over in the US.

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53 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

OFCOM to investigate the BBC over the perceived decline in the impartiality of its news programmes.

 

 

Probably come to the conclusion that they're too left wing

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Margaret Hodge has on several occasions defamed Jeremy Corbyn by calling him a racist and an antisemite. 

 

However, when asked back in 2016 why she proposed a motion of no confidence in him, she didn't feel the need to mention his alleged prejudice as a reason why. Has he suddenly become racist and antisemitic in the last 2 years? Why would a Jewish woman refer to an antisemite as "a decent man"???

 

Hmmmmm???....

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Some brouhaha at Liverpool city council tonight with some of the old guard having been deselected. 

 

Not sure how I feel about it. On the one hand it seems like it could be open season where it's a case of whose face fits and who can outdo who in meetings, on the other hand I think there's a lot of councillors all over the country who've done fuck all for a long time. 

 

I've met and known quite a few through various stuff, probably about 30 or 40, and I'd say no more than five or six were anything other than absolute shite. Some were among the thickest specimens of humanity I've ever encountered, a couple were drink-sodden wrecks. This was parties of all hues mind.

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