Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog said:

 

You don't need to xplain when it's obvious. Very fucking simple.

Nope. It is you being a hypocrite. Bang to fucking rights. Ha!  Goodnight sweetheart. 

[Strontium]

Take with the usual pinch of salt:

 

 

[Strontium]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Nope. It is you being a hypocrite. Bang to fucking rights. Ha!  Goodnight sweetheart. 

 

I negged you for lying about me again.

 

Happy to help.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Strontium Dog said:

 

I negged you for lying about me again.

 

Happy to help.

But didn't explain it. Hahahahaha 

 

I didn't lie about you. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

Take with the usual pinch of salt:

 

 

18% of people say they will vote for a political party company that doesn't have any policies.

 

(And since when were the Lib Dems abbreviated to "LDM"?  That's just fucking weird - unless Election Maps UK think it's a francophone party called  les Liberals de Mocrats.)

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

18% of people say they will vote for a political party company that doesn't have any policies.

 

Insert joke about Labour's first year under Corbyn here.

 

Look, I don't conduct these polls, I just post them.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

18% of people say they will vote for a political party company that doesn't have any policies.

 

(And since when were the Lib Dems abbreviated to "LDM"?  That's just fucking weird - unless Election Maps UK think it's a francophone party called  les Liberals de Mocrats.)

Lying Deceitful Meddlers 

[cloggypop]

And you have to pay to get involved in this negging nonsense? 

[razor]

9 hours ago, El Rojo said:

Wouldn’t mind some of this action myself. Maybe a commune type thing? Group showers in the morning to conserve water etc?

Pm'd.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, cloggypop said:

And you have to pay to get involved in this negging nonsense? 

Totally worth it. 

[Captain Turdseye]

9 hours ago, Strontium Dog said:

Congratulations on turning yet another thread into a shit-flinging disaster.

 

Aye, this was one of the most civil threads on the forum up until that point. 

[Rico1304]

Have we had confirmation on the Labour  options in the 2nd vote?

[Creator Supreme]

21 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

Aye, this was one of the most civil threads on the forum up until that point. 

Lib Dumbs blaming others for things going to shit, The Farron effect I call it!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Have we had confirmation on the Labour  options in the 2nd vote?

A "credible Brexit deal" (translation  - probably not May's deal and definitely not No Deal) vs. remain.

[Barrington Womble]

12 hours ago, The Guest said:

It’s honestly absolutely baffling how people can perceive things so laughably wrong.  I don’t know if it’s the time that’s passed or just being disingenuous because it suits your opinion.  The idea that media caused the tories to lose votes at the last general election is possibly the most stupid thing I’ve ever read on here and I used to read Strontium dog fuckers posts.

 

Theresa May cost the tories votes because she’s a raging fucking imbecile.  Corbyn basically had the vast majority of the PLP against him.  Backed up by the liberal and right wing media coalition he should never have stood a chance.  Labour got so many votes on sheer policy alone.  People with a brain and empathy are fucking sick to death of the country being run for the elite few.  The myth that the tories are good for the middle classes is well and truly smashed to pieces.

 

I take issue with the thing about people not liking “the democracy of Corbyn being challenged with a vote of no confidence.”  That’s complete nonsense.  What people weren’t happy with was the fucking gobshites in the PLP trying to keep him off the ballot because they didn’t like his left wing policies and lowly members actually getting a say.  It was a disgusting affront to democracy if anything.

If May had not been excluding journo's from press conference and choosing which journo's could ask questions, they wouldn't have reported the way they did. They'd have let it wash over and "strong and stable" would have been sold as a great tag line - in fact as it was for about the first week or two of campaigning. Even laura fucking Kuntsberg turned on her. May is without doubt an imbecile and if for no other reason than getting a normally pro-tory media to turn on her. but they did. and probably because they thought she couldn't lose, which she couldn't. She ran the worst campaign ever without the normal media support and still sits in number 10. People need to think about that when we look at the state the labour party is in. 

[Scooby Dudek]

Labour are saying No Deal will not be on the ballot. 

Whatever deal passes Parliament or Remain. 

 

They are selling it as;

Original Vote was Vote Leave or Vote Remain

New Vote is "What Leave means" or "Status Quo" 

 

Those who voted leave now know what leave means and if they are happy with that they can confirm they are happy by voting for it. That way it will no longer to be possible to argue "People did not know what they were voting for" or "No one knows what the 17.4 million individuals actually voted for" .

 

 

[Stickman]

Fucking state of this lot having (hopefully) their last supper at Nandos

 

 

 

I can't see this ending well for Mike Gapes

 

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Labour are saying No Deal will not be on the ballot. 

Whatever deal passes Parliament or Remain. 

 

They are selling it as;

Original Vote was Vote Leave or Vote Remain

New Vote is What Leave actually means" or "Status Quo" 

 

Those who voted leave now know what leave means and if they are happy with that they can confirm they are happy by voting for it. That way it will no longer to be possible to argue "People did not know what they were voting for" or "No one knows what the 17.4 million individuals actually voted for" .

 

 

But how does it get to another vote? I don't understand the parliamentary numbers to make it work. Surely if her deal gets through parliament, then the same MP's who have voted for it, will vote against a 2nd vote? It seems to me a bit of a lip services offer of a referendum as I always thought the momentum behind a 2nd vote was parliament couldn't get consensus for a deal. If May's deal in whatever form it ends up gets through, it will be because we have consensus in parliament. How does labour win a vote for a 2nd referendum if a deal has been agreed? 

[Scooby Dudek]

1 minute ago, Barry Wom said:

But how does it get to another vote? I don't understand the parliamentary numbers to make it work. Surely if her deal gets through parliament, then the same MP's who have voted for it, will vote against a 2nd vote? It seems to me a bit of a lip services offer of a referendum as I always thought the momentum behind a 2nd vote was parliament couldn't get consensus for a deal. If May's deal in whatever form it ends up gets through, it will be because we have consensus in parliament. How does labour win a vote for a 2nd referendum if a deal has been agreed? 

I don't think the numbers are there for a 2nd referendum either or for Mays deal. 

 

Phil WIlson and Peter Kyle amendment is Parliament should approve Mays deal on one condition - A 2nd Referendum. 

 

I believe the plan is to having the meaningful vote, which will fail and then propose this compromise to prevent No Deal. Those in favour of the deal should vote in favour,those who want a 2nd referendum should vote in favour and those who want to prevent No Deal should vote in favour. Hence it will comfortably pass.

 

From a couple of weeks ago;

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-no-deal-labour-second-referendum-peoples-vote-phil-wilson-peter-kyle-a8772061.html

  

[skend04]

John Mann having a heart attack on R4 Today is worth the political machinations of the last few days. I know Labour are a broad church but I didn't realise they  stretched all the way round to the Kippers. Why he and the likes of Hoey don't go and join Farage's new party is a mystery, it's their natural home and de rigueur de jour.

[Boss]

As if they're going to put Theresa May's deal or Remain as the only two options on a ballot. 

[Barrington Womble]

11 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I don't think the numbers are there for a 2nd referendum either or for Mays deal. 

 

Phil WIlson and Peter Kyle amendment is Parliament should approve Mays deal on one condition - A 2nd Referendum. 

 

I believe the plan is to having the meaningful vote, which will fail and then propose this compromise to prevent No Deal. Those in favour of the deal should vote in favour,those who want a 2nd referendum should vote in favour and those who want to prevent No Deal should vote in favour. Hence it will comfortably pass.

 

From a couple of weeks ago;

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-latest-no-deal-labour-second-referendum-peoples-vote-phil-wilson-peter-kyle-a8772061.html

  

I see what they're saying, but I just don't see how there becomes such support in parliament. 

[Scooby Dudek]

17 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I saw a tweet the other day (start of last week) and sadly can't find it now. Think it might have been Aaron Bastani or Asa Winstanley. 

 

The gist of it was that Liverpool, as a traditionally left leaning city, has never appealed to the right of centre/right wing politicians from the Labour Party and that they'd happily use and smear Liverpool to make a broader allegation that left wing politics/socialism is full of antisemitism. 

 

It looks like the call has gone in to their media buddies. There was the story below, strongly suggesting that the Liverpool Wavertree constituency is full of thick, inherently racist people. And there seems to be a bit of a (as of yet, unsubstantiated) storm brewing regarding Louise Ellman and the Liverpool Riverside CLP meeting a few days ago, with their being talk that Ellman might be the next to go (pretty please!) 

 

The suggestion in the tweet that I mentioned initially doesn't seem entirely inaccurate at this current juncture. Is Liverpool added to the smear list? 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/feb/23/liverpool-wavertree-labour-constituency-antisemitism-luciana-berger-derek-hatton

John Mann was just on Sky news, talking about the 2nd referendum and obviously the talk turned to Labour bullying etc and he managed to mention Louise Ellman three times. 

I love it when a plan comes together. 

[aRdja]

17 hours ago, skend04 said:

Looks nothing more than a stunt to keep other MPs from jumping ship. I still expect parliament to crash us out in 5 weeks time. 

Lol. Corbyn can’t win.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

4 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Lol. Corbyn can’t win.

Negged for "Lol".

 

Come on mate, you're better than this.