Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[cloggypop]

It's not a lie. Turkey will join the EU because the EU want it, the UK government wants it and Turkey wants it. If it's EU policy that means it's the policy of every country in the EU including Greece and Cyprus. To say there is no chance is an outright lie.

 

Turkey will join the EU.

It would have to be unrecognisable to the Turkey of today to achieve it. It still has to close those other 34 chapters. We are talking massive change over decades before it's a possibility.

 

I really don't see Greece and Cyprus voting for them either.

[magicrat]

The united states has laws to prevent imports of steal coming into the usa to protect us jobs.

 

The price of steel was never an issue with port talbot it was the amount of steel. There was an overproduction if steel in the eu that was causing the problem.

 

Far be it from a steel producer in the eu to skew the amount of steel available to put port talbot out of business.

 

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yes and US consumers pay more for their goods as a result but that's OK because the US doesn't need to re-export cars, washing machines,

ships etc.. Its a choice basically they can make and we can't. There is no sensible protectionist solution to Port Talbot. Its a dead duck

[Dicko]

Well, I listened to nearly 5 mins of the professor and that 5 mins had so many 'what if's' and variables that I cant take him seriously. Professor he may be but it doesn't make him automatically correct.

 

I love the way Remainers obsess about falsehoods of the Leave campaign, conveniently ignoring how pretty much the entire remain campaign was a falsehood, beginning with Cameron's laughably 'reformed EU'.

 

He had to go and so does Osborne.  Still, even though he had to go you've got to laugh at his claim that we are strong so we don't quit..! 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I mean seriously.

You've just voted out on the basis of if's and variables.

 

Fuck sake.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Regarding the Turkey thing, it'll be about 50 years before they satisfy the joining requirements. If ever.

 

And, let's not be naive. The Leave campaign posters don't touch on it. They just say 76m population. But, their TV broadcast on the same theme had an implicit undertone. Pictures of mosques. Arabic sounding music in the background. What they really wanted to say, and did their best to implicitly say it, is that a whole lot of them pesky muzzies might be able to travel freely in Europe.

[kalasoma]

Yeah i'm thinking about the adverts i saw leading up to the referendum...

 

 

I never saw that poster, but that is most certainly a directive.

I just watched that commercial.It's comparing the NHS inside the EU and what it could be like outside the EU. The message is definitely stressing 'could'. One of the explicit messages I also see is that the non-white people (inside EU message) are getting seen first while the sick elderly white person has to wait (Outside EU). There are also messages that there will be less paperwork, less people waiting in hospitals and implications of more staff (Outside EU). There's a suggestion that if there were fewer immigrants (leaving EU = approx £350M) and more hospitals, healthcare services would improve. I think that's the gist of that ad.

[magicrat]

It would have to be unrecognisable to the Turkey of today to achieve it. It still has to close those other 34 chapters. We are talking massive change over decades before it's a possibility.

 

I really don't see Greece and Cyprus voting for them either.

Its a scare story but we do need good relations with Turkey because of the buffer zone they provide with ME. There will be no flood of Turkish immigrants though,

Interesting that the survey done during the campaign polled about 2000 Turkish males and asked them if they joined to the EU would they consider working in the UK . Based on the answers the headlines became 11 million Turks are on their way.

Mr Angry in Barnsley suddenly shaking his fist at the thought and the fact that some Pakistani down the road got a job he never bothered to apply for.

[thechap]

IT IS THE POLICY OF THE EU FOR TURKEY TO JOIN THE EU.  Assistance is being given to Turkey to prepare for entry.

 

THEREFORE TURKEY WILL JOIN THE EU.

 

Honestly, the bitter losing side in this just will not accept reality.  And it's bloody brilliant!  Still laughing at you...

 

PS Anyone on the losing side who isn't bitter is welcome anytime for reasoned discussion - something completely absent here.  Which, of course, only makes it funnier!

[magicrat]

IT IS THE POLICY OF THE EU FOR TURKEY TO JOIN THE EU.  Assistance is being given to Turkey to prepare for entry.

 

THEREFORE TURKEY WILL JOIN THE EU.

 

Honestly, the bitter losing side in this just will not accept reality.  And it's bloody brilliant!  Still laughing at you...

 

PS Anyone on the losing side who isn't bitter is welcome anytime for reasoned discussion - something completely absent here.  Which, of course, only makes it funnier!

Laugh at the unemployment figures in a years time Mr Smug

[cloggypop]

That wrong bloke appears to be shouting now

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Stop feeding the Troll, the smug dimwit only posts for reaction. 

[thechap]

I'm disgusting? By acknowledging the hatred that played a part in the thinking of a murdered? You might want to play ignorant, but there's clearly a link between the two.

 

As for 'naming five outlets'. What are you talking about. The biggest read newspapers in the country were peddling the same lies told by the leave campaign. Why can't you acknowledge this demonstrable fact.

 

Then there's this 'dry your eyes' nonsense. What are you, 12? Is that the level of debate you're capable of.

 

Okay, let's play this game. You make a list of the Remain supporting media outlets and I will do the same with Leave ones. Over to you...

 

And, yes, you are disgusting.

[Dicko]

IT IS THE POLICY OF THE EU FOR TURKEY TO JOIN THE EU.  Assistance is being given to Turkey to prepare for entry.

 

THEREFORE TURKEY WILL JOIN THE EU.

 

Honestly, the bitter losing side in this just will not accept reality.  And it's bloody brilliant!  Still laughing at you...

 

PS Anyone on the losing side who isn't bitter is welcome anytime for reasoned discussion - something completely absent here.  Which, of course, only makes it funnier!

 

Greece & Cyprus would veto it.

They haven't satisfied all of their obligations, countries would hold internal referendums on whether to leave if Turkey joined.

It wouldn't be ratified.

 

Just stop talking bollocks.

[Boss]

It's the Financial Times wot won it

 

So you didn't mean the papers with the biggest circulations when you said that the media backed remain?

 

There's no context to the article cloggy posted. It claims the Mail was pro leave but the Mail on Sunday was pro remain. There were articles written from both sides in pretty much every paper, so both sides of the argument were getting a hearing. The Daily Mirror, the second most read paper in the UK was heavily on the side of remain.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-which-papers-are-backing-brexit-and-remain-a7089876.html

 

Here's a sample of the front pages. Most of them are sensationalising the death of Jo Cox which all papers do to get readers, but the Mail has the slogan 'death to traitors' on the front cover, and focuses explicitly on the murderer. The point is a paper can be perceived to be pro remain but has an article in it arguing for Brexit. A pro leave paper like the Mail will sensationalise Jo Cox's murder and gain votes for remain. 

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Okay, let's play this game. You make a list of the Remain supporting media outlets and I will do the same with Leave ones. Over to you...

 

And, yes, you are disgusting.

Exactly what makes me disgusting, at least in whatever fantasy you've created in your mind. I'm not particularly interested in spending time doing anything for anybody who calls me disgusting.

[magicrat]

It's the amount of steel that affects the price. There would be no problem with over production is the prices held their price.

But it wasn't over production in the EU that caused it, it was China subsidising cheap steel and flooding both the EU and US markets, which is precisely what prompted the EU and the US to increase tariffs - the US, massively so.

This is just wrong mate but I am not going to write a long rebutal

Chinese subsidies are a fallacy . They get a partial VAT rebate on exports  but European producers get a full rebate

There is without doubt Global over capacity . In Europe as well and low prices in the price has been on the floor as result. US is protected largely as is Europe now with a series of dumping cases . The main problem in Europe is over capacity and the inability of the member countries to shut down plant as its such a political minefield.

 

The Chinese government don't want to export steel to Europe anyway. They are not encouraging producers their to sell here, on the contrary they are looking to phase out old Mills but remember its not all state owned any longer and its not something that can be done at the drop of a hat, China wants to sell us cars and washing machines not steel which is a piddling amount in relation to their overall production,

 

Just more disinformation and finger pointing  

[thechap]

Stop feeding the Troll, the smug dimwit only posts for reaction. 

 

Troll? I've been on here a lot longer than you. I am simply taking a lot of pleasure from the howls and cries of 'foul' and about how democracy has failed, because it's worth laughing at the hard left who finally have their comeuppance. That they can't see they are to blame for this is doubly hilarious.

[Gnasher]

Laugh at the unemployment figures in a years time Mr Smug

 

Hmmmm?

 

Have you taken a look at youth unemployment rates throughout the euro zone lately?

[moof]

IT IS THE POLICY OF THE EU FOR TURKEY TO JOIN THE EU. Assistance is being given to Turkey to prepare for entry.

 

THEREFORE TURKEY WILL JOIN THE EU.

 

Honestly, the bitter losing side in this just will not accept reality. And it's bloody brilliant! Still laughing at you...

 

PS Anyone on the losing side who isn't bitter is welcome anytime for reasoned discussion - something completely absent here. Which, of course, only makes it funnier!

It really is a wonder why the leave campaign is being painted as a campaign that has catered to fucking morons.

[Gnasher]

Hmmmm?

 

Have you taken a look at youth unemployment rates throughout the euro zone lately?

 

Here you go,

 

http://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

 

 

It rose yet again this year, which in fairness to all our politicians is some fucking feat when you consider the sky high rate the eu seems comfortable with.

 

But let's think of the kids eh?

[thechap]

Exactly what makes me disgusting, at least in whatever fantasy you've created in your mind. I'm not particularly interested in spending time doing anything for anybody who calls me disgusting.

 

Don't then. We both know it's because you can't.

[magicrat]

Hmmmm?

 

Have you taken a look at youth unemployment rates throughout the euro zone lately?

They are dreadful especially in places like Spain and is why we have such a high population from the EU atm 

I am no champion for the EU but remaining was the least worse option and why risk losing employment here when there is a massive pool of labour across the channel ready and waiting ?

[VladimirIlyich]

His views are coming from a position of racism? Think it might be time to swerve this thread again for a bit, off to enjoy the racist Tour De France!

You are saying Farage is not a racist despite being the leader of a party whose whole remit is based on racism and xenophobia?

Even if we disagree on leave or remain you have to be seriously deluded to claim Farage is anything but a racist.

[Gnasher]

They are dreadful especially in places like Spain and is why we have such a high population from the EU atm

I am no champion for the EU but remaining was the least worse option and why risk losing employment here when there is a massive pool of labour across the channel ready and waiting ?

I understand your argument.

[Sugar Ape]

 

[tokyojoe]

This is just wrong mate but I am not going to write a long rebutal

Chinese subsidies are a fallacy . They get a partial VAT rebate on exports  but European producers get a full rebate

There is without doubt Global over capacity . In Europe as well and low prices in the price has been on the floor as result. US is protected largely as is Europe now with a series of dumping cases . The main problem in Europe is over capacity and the inability of the member countries to shut down plant as its such a political minefield.

 

The Chinese government don't want to export steel to Europe anyway. They are not encouraging producers their to sell here, on the contrary they are looking to phase out old Mills but remember its not all state owned any longer and its not something that can be done at the drop of a hat, China wants to sell us cars and washing machines not steel which is a piddling amount in relation to their overall production,

 

Just more disinformation and finger pointing

The Chinese are building commercial jets now.

 

Will all passengers to Ibiza please go to gate number 15. Your aircraft will be in kit form but there will be a full set of instructions to assist you in assembling it.