Boxing 2012

[Welsh]

No real surprise like everyone is making it out to be. Marquez was robbed the last time they fought.

[Spy Bee]

No real surprise like everyone is making it out to be. Marquez was robbed the last time they fought.

 

I think Marquez has won 3 out of the 4 fights.

 

There is no one in the world in Mayweather's league, an all time great and easily the best of this era by some distance. Sorry to talk about him when others fought tonight but I feel it just underlines the gulf in class

 

I think Andre Ward is proving to be exceptional. He fights everyone and beats everyone with relative ease.

[DanDanShaw]

Fights like that make staying awake until 6am worth it. What a fight, what a rivalry.

[Baltar]

Manny should quit now. He's not even a full time boxer any more, he spends so much of his time on political activities. No wonder he's been getting beat recently.

[Kevin D]

2012.12.08.Manny.Pacquiao.vs.Juan.Manuel.Maquez.IV.HBO.HDRip.mkv | PutLocker

[VladimirIlyich]

- - Video Dailymotion

 

Full fight.

[El Rojo]

It was all out war, just a shame one of them had to lose. What a way to finish it though. Wow.

[Kevin D]

Has anybody come across the Crolla fight from Friday? It was meant to be very good and I can't find it anywhere. Knew shit like this would start happening when Sky handed over all their coverage to Hearn. Ridiculous.

 

Interesting fight from last night. Jennings is probably the best American heavyweight prospect and makes for some fairly exciting fights:

 

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[dickie mint]

Has anybody come across the Crolla fight from Friday?

 

 

It was on Boxnation from Manchester.

 

 

Good bout Kieran Farrell had a bleed on the Brain but was being let out of Hospital today and is apparently okay which is the main thing.

[Kevin D]

Here it is: Coldwell Television: The Next Generation | Our Events | Coldwell Boxing. You just have to register your email address and no more. It's an excellent fight.

[DanDanShaw]

It wasn't on BN it was on Coldwell TV which is a new free iPad/iPhone/Android app.

 

Mayweather is great but due to his stupid fucking ego and lack of bravery, Marquez got all the glory that Mayweather should of had. What's the point now? If they fight and Mayweather KO's Manny then everybody will just say he was completely past it anyway.

 

Fuck boxing, I love the sport but this shouldn't be allowed to happen, we should of had this fight in 2009/2010. As always the fans have been shit on and we'll continue to be shit on because we're like a loyal domestic violence victims.

 

We get treated like shit and beaten up, but we always forgive boxing. We'll always come back. Boxing fans are too loyal and our loyalty is rewarded with being shit on.

[loadsoftrophies]

Been working stupid hours all weekend so i only got to see it yesterday afternoon but wow what a fight.

When I heard the result and i thought Manny was going to be very poor again but he wasn't at all. He was back to his old self with the quick hands and movement and he looked like he was on his way to stopping Marquez until that wonder punch.

Absolutley delighted for Marquez though, what a warrior he was in there and yet again he showed why he always had the measure of Manny, he was always too smart for him.

The knockdown in the 3rd is one of my favorite moments in boxing, the way he set it up against a World class fighter was amazing. I think he landed about 3 or 4 great left hooks to Mannys body and just as Manny was coming forward Marquez feinted to throw another one, Manny went to block it and then Marquez switched it to that big overhand right which landed clean on Manny, a fucking brilliant shot which changed the whole fight.

The K.O was as dramatic as you'll ever see, right on the bell and it knocked him clean out. I think the impact was doubled as Manny ran right onto it as it wasn't a big swing by Marquez, it was just so clean.

Where does Manny go from here i don't know, i can't see him retiring from boxing like that, he's too proud and the people of Philipines would have been devastated watching that so maybe 1 or 2 last fights from him.

Marquez just made himself a huge superstar to the general public even though he's one of the great boxers anyway. Maybe a fight against Bradley next for his title.

 

Fights like that show why it's a brilliant sport, we go through a lot of shite for moments like that but by fuck is it worth it!

[Remmie]

I think the greatest mantle has all been Americans since I've been watching unfortunately, looks like Roy Jones Jnr - Mayweather - Ward.

[Lee909]

It always has been.

While I'm not in the Jones camp(right time,right place,right weight),the yanks always have had the best fighters.

1900/1920 Jack Johnson,Sam Langford

1920/45 joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Sugar Ray Robinson,

1945/60,Willie Pep,Tony Zale,Rocky Marciano,Ezzard Charles.

1960/75 Liston,Ali,Frazier,Paterson,

 

How many fighters from outside the US get on the list pre 70's?

Emile Griffith,José Nápoles,Dick Tiger

 

75 onwards everyone knows the big names

And the Mexicans start appearing on the scene in bigger numbers.The Cubans and Soviets may have been able to compete had they been able to fight professional.

Boxing greats generally come from poor/disadvantaged backgrounds and it didn't come much poorer than Black Americans.The money was better than other sports and no colour bar led to many black Americans boxing.More money and opportunities in the NBA/NFL now,especially as the players get a college scholarship to go with it before turning pro.The same issue has effected fast bowlers in the carribean according to some.They say there is more money in basketball and at 6'5+ they are built for other sports.

[Bjornebye]

He said he will fight on. Has to be many weather next.

 

Also... That classless cunt de gale is sounding out froch. Think froch needs a few more fights before considering a ward re-match. He would fucking destroy de gale. Hope it happens.

[The Acolyte]

It always has been.

While I'm not in the Jones camp(right time,right place,right weight),the yanks always have had the best fighters.

1900/1920 Jack Johnson,Sam Langford

1920/45 joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Sugar Ray Robinson,

1945/60,Willie Pep,Tony Zale,Rocky Marciano,Ezzard Charles.

1960/75 Liston,Ali,Frazier,Paterson,

 

How many fighters from outside the US get on the list pre 70's?

Emile Griffith,José Nápoles,Dick Tiger

 

75 onwards everyone knows the big names

And the Mexicans start appearing on the scene in bigger numbers.The Cubans and Soviets may have been able to compete had they been able to fight professional.

Boxing greats generally come from poor/disadvantaged backgrounds and it didn't come much poorer than Black Americans.The money was better than other sports and no colour bar led to many black Americans boxing.More money and opportunities in the NBA/NFL now,especially as the players get a college scholarship to go with it before turning pro.The same issue has effected fast bowlers in the carribean according to some.They say there is more money in basketball and at 6'5+ they are built for other sports.

 

 

Spot on. Curtly Ambrose wanted to play basketball but there were no facilities when he was a youngster. How many matches would the WIndies have lost without him? I know the Aussies would've been happier!

[Lee909]

I'd love to see Froch knock that twat everywhere

[dickie mint]

Interesting that with Degale couple of bouts down the line and they will try and get it on and the public will lap it up.

[Kevin D]

I quite like Degale. Super middleweight is jam packed with legitimate talent, though. A world title may be just beyond him.

 

Ricky Burns opponent has pulled out of Saturday as his trainer has died. They're saying that Burns is still fighting though. There were also reports on Saturday that Broner-Burns is essentially made for February in the U.S.

[mht1892]

Broner will destroy Burns.

[dickie mint]

Broner will destroy Burns.

 

 

 

Spot on.

[Remmie]

It always has been.

While I'm not in the Jones camp(right time,right place,right weight),the yanks always have had the best fighters.

1900/1920 Jack Johnson,Sam Langford

1920/45 joe Louis,Henry Armstrong,Sugar Ray Robinson,

1945/60,Willie Pep,Tony Zale,Rocky Marciano,Ezzard Charles.

1960/75 Liston,Ali,Frazier,Paterson,

 

How many fighters from outside the US get on the list pre 70's?

Emile Griffith,José Nápoles,Dick Tiger

 

75 onwards everyone knows the big names

And the Mexicans start appearing on the scene in bigger numbers.The Cubans and Soviets may have been able to compete had they been able to fight professional.

Boxing greats generally come from poor/disadvantaged backgrounds and it didn't come much poorer than Black Americans.The money was better than other sports and no colour bar led to many black Americans boxing.More money and opportunities in the NBA/NFL now,especially as the players get a college scholarship to go with it before turning pro.The same issue has effected fast bowlers in the carribean according to some.They say there is more money in basketball and at 6'5+ they are built for other sports.

Although RJJ didn't get to fight that many greats he was completely dominant for a long time, losing very few rounds and dong so with panache, power and a fresh unusual style. You may feel his legacy was tainted by him fighting on too long but I don't see it that way. Would be interested to see how others rated Jones and if anyone thinks he could have been touched when at his prime?

[dickie mint]

Roy jones jr was class and being beaten in his later career by boxers who wouldn't have botherd him in his prime is sad to see.

[VladimirIlyich]

Since the furore over Pacquaio and drugs testing,caused by Mayweather,he has lost two fights running.

A coincidence or not ?

[Lee909]

Since the furore over Pacquaio and drugs testing' date='caused by Mayweather,he has lost two fights running.

A coincidence or not ?[/quote']

 

More to do with a man that boxing isn't his number 1 priority anymore IMO.

IMO his political career became more important.