David Ngog

[hamstrung]

Who should be making the decisions?

 

People who are not Darwinian experiments?

[Bobby Chariot]

Who should be making the decisions?

 

Certainly not those three. How Brooking was given the role of developing youth talent in this country is beyond me.

[Major Tom]

Certainly not those three. How Brooking was given the role of developing youth talent in this country is beyond me.

 

Who then?

[Major Tom]

People who are not Darwinian experiments?

 

Granted. Not them.

 

So who?

[John101]

i say Maldini and Liverpoolway. Oh and Phillyhaman just to keep things scouse

[RSM]

Yesterday was an eye opener for me, I'd not seen Onuha(sp?) before, he was all over the shop. Seems like Man City specialize in bringing through physical specimens with 0 ability to read the game, position themselves properly etc. Is this Sturridge just another physical specimen?

 

Sturridge is actually very good.

[hamstrung]

Granted. Not them.

 

So who?

 

I neither know nor care.

 

You seem keen to find out though; I suggest you do some research and post back with your findings.

 

God speed brave adventurer.

[Major Tom]

I neither know nor care.

 

You seem keen to find out though; I suggest you do some research and post back with your findings.

 

God speed brave adventurer.

 

If I seriously wanted to find out, I'm not sure I would ask you. You don't strike me as the kind of guy people would go to, to find out stuff.

 

If I wanted banal one line posts. I would definitely ask you though.

 

Godspeed little man.

[hamstrung]

People ask me stuff all the time.

 

Someone asked me one earlier. "Who's the bitch on the N'Gog thread with sand in her vagina?", they mused.

 

That was an easy one.

[Maldini]

Who should be making the decisions?

 

How about anyone with ay least a modicum of experience in youth football? Pearce was a shit manager who clearly doesn't have much upstairs. Wilkinson was the manager of the worst team to win the league in living memory and he is the man single handedly responsible for fucking up youth development in this country over the last decade. Brooking is a pundit.

 

Off the top of my head I can't think of anyone English who could do Brooking or Wilkinson's job because English coaches are so backward thinking that a whole generation of them were raised on Charles Hughes POMO bullshit and can't think outside that.

 

Wilkinson's job at the moment is restructuring the academy setup, why not give the job to someone with experience of it? Cassell at City and Parnaby at Boro have a fantastic record at their clubs, surely such experience shouldn't be overlooked.

 

i say Maldini and Liverpoolway. Oh and Phillyhaman just to keep things scouse

 

:D Fucking foreigners takin English jobs!

[Torvald Utne]

:D Fucking foreigners takin English jobs!

 

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[Major Tom]

How about anyone with ay least a modicum of experience in youth football? Pearce was a shit manager who clearly doesn't have much upstairs. Wilkinson was the manager of the worst team to win the league in living memory and he is the man single handedly responsible for fucking up youth development in this country over the last decade. Brooking is a pundit.

 

 

You are blaming one bloke for the fucking up youth development in this country for 10 years? How?

 

I am not defending Wilkinson here as I know fuck all about him or youth development, but surely the clubs have a far bigger impact on any one youth's development than Wilkinson, who would see them a few times year at most? Or does he set the agenda for the clubs?

[redrosetints]

I've never really understood all the N'gog hating. Young, inexperienced player who has to make a huge step up in class in a different league in front of 45,000 people and is somehow expected not to shit himself. I think he's done really well in the circumstances.

 

He's got potential. I'm not sure whether he's going to make it but he definitely won't if people don't get off his case.

 

Agreed, 20 yesterday, he may not become another Torres or Anelka, but he's done well in limited opportunities.

[Tom R]

My own frustration with Ngog are nothing to do with the player himself. He looked a buit lazy early on in the season, but I think we can put that down to nervousness, which is understandable.

He's just been thrown in at the deep end due to rafa's failure to replace Keane and us not having enough strength up front in general.

 

I also think he has potential, and I think he will come good in the end. But for now, he's just too rubbish to getting games at this level, and Rafa has been grossly unfair on the lad if you ask me.

 

Verdict: Too much too soon.

[jackofdk]

Very good point. I also fail to see the point in playing him as a targetman and hoofing balls forward to him just because he's tall.

 

His heading is poor as is his play with his back to goal. He needs to be given opportunities to run at defenses - not battle with two british centre halves in the air.

[Spy Bee]

Verdict: Too much too soon.

And yet people moan he doesn't give young players a chance.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Tom R]

And yet people moan he doesn't give young players a chance.

 

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

Total bollocks.

 

It's the youngsters he doesn't sign who tend to get overlooked.

 

Ngog was a rafa signing, ergo he's instantly ahead of any of the academy lads, regardless of form or talent.

[redrosetints]

My own frustration with Ngog are nothing to do with the player himself. He looked a buit lazy early on in the season, but I think we can put that down to nervousness, which is understandable.

He's just been thrown in at the deep end due to rafa's failure to replace Keane and us not having enough strength up front in general.

 

I also think he has potential, and I think he will come good in the end. But for now, he's just too rubbish to getting games at this level, and Rafa has been grossly unfair on the lad if you ask me.

 

Verdict: Too much too soon.

 

Thats a fair comment and I agree but given the clamour to see Spearing and Darby, for example, given games, it shows how hard it is to strike the balance with everyone.

[Tom R]

Thats a fair comment and I agree but given the clamour to see Spearing and Darby, for example, given games, it shows how hard it is to strike the balance with everyone.

 

Totally different though.

 

For a start, Spearing and darby had shown genuine and consistent form outside of the first team. N'gog hasn't.

 

Lucas, who plays in Spearing's position, apart from a couple of games, had been woeful almost all season, and yet still got picked ahead of him.

 

Darby, even when we had no specialist RB available, was still not getting a game.

 

N'gog was even getting fucking games when we still had Robbie Keane here!!!

[Tom R]

Also, despite coming on and shining against Real madrid, I'd be willing to bet that Spearing plays in no more meaningful games this season. Whereas N'Gog, despite not shining in any game at all so far, will.

[INTORRESTING]

He was pretty good against England and is playing full competitive games for his country so is probably a bit ahead of others. If he was a local lad people would not be questioning him anywhere near as much. I want all of our players to succeed, it would be great to have the next carra and gerrard come along but i want what is best for the team and rafa is doing alright this year so i doubt he is going to pick N'gog unless he thinks he is the best option

[pr1tpal]

kiss of death? i hope not.

 

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[Antynwa]

Tom R is spot on.

[redrosetints]

Totally different though.

 

For a start, Spearing and darby had shown genuine and consistent form outside of the first team. N'gog hasn't.

 

Lucas, who plays in Spearing's position, apart from a couple of games, had been woeful almost all season, and yet still got picked ahead of him.

 

Darby, even when we had no specialist RB available, was still not getting a game.

 

N'gog was even getting fucking games when we still had Robbie Keane here!!!

 

I think you're far too caught up in the local thing though. For me, Darby is the next Dave Raven, rather than the next Rob Jones. Good player, nice defender but hasnt enough pace or tricks going forward to be a prem player. IMHO of course. Raven got a chance or two, Im sure Darby will in time but i dont think he's good enough.

 

With Spearing I think he's shown enough to deserve more of a chance. Certainly more in 40 minutes of Cl action than Potter showed or even Welsh. Whether he is good enough to the be first backup CM (Behind Xabo and Javi) for a title chasing side Im not sure, but if Barry is coming in the summer, Id have no hesistation to give Spearing the role behind him and sell Lucas. Whats impressed me most about Spearing is that he's not needed any time to get the pace of the game or to look for the pass, he looks like he belongs and after all the hype down the years of the 'next big thing' (Welsh, Raven, Newby, Potter etc etc) Spearo definatley looks like he has it.

 

Lucas had a steady debut season, which he has failed to build on, you'll get no arguements from me on that, but to say he's been woeful this year is just plain wrong. From the Fanzine diary( speak to Dave!), to the MoM threads on here, Lucas went through an excellent spell in December, being one of the best players in 4 or 5 games. He blotted his copying book with his stupid tackling, which saw us drop two points at Wigan and have to play everton with 10 men, but other wise, he's done a job. He has not been woeful but equally, given his penchant for suicidal tackles, he's not been good enough either. But thats football, 6m for a 19yr old Brazilian player of the year was a snip, with hindsight its not worked, but at the time he was signed who'd have gone against it ? Spearing has forced his way up the list, by being good, not being local,just as it should be.

 

What concerns me Tom, is that people are too fixated on the local lads and not on talent in general and also in favourties. Last season, Plessis and Insua were the stars of the ressies, both are still young and have been given chances, but in Plessis case, he seems to have suffered from a) being played ahead of Xabi int eh Sunderland game and b) being ahead of Spearing.

 

We need to encourage all the youth we have, wherever they be from. WithMcPartland now in charge, one hopes that by having the best academy, we will see the best youngsters come through and that will help the lads wherever they are from, be it Toxteth, Bootle, Huyton or Sao Paulo.

[Tom R]

I think you're far too caught up in the local thing though. For me, Darby is the next Dave Raven, rather than the next Rob Jones. Good player, nice defender but hasnt enough pace or tricks going forward to be a prem player. IMHO of course. Raven got a chance or two, Im sure Darby will in time but i dont think he's good enough.

 

With Spearing I think he's shown enough to deserve more of a chance. Certainly more in 40 minutes of Cl action than Potter showed or even Welsh. Whether he is good enough to the be first backup CM (Behind Xabo and Javi) for a title chasing side Im not sure, but if Barry is coming in the summer, Id have no hesistation to give Spearing the role behind him and sell Lucas. Whats impressed me most about Spearing is that he's not needed any time to get the pace of the game or to look for the pass, he looks like he belongs and after all the hype down the years of the 'next big thing' (Welsh, Raven, Newby, Potter etc etc) Spearo definatley looks like he has it.

 

Lucas had a steady debut season, which he has failed to build on, you'll get no arguements from me on that, but to say he's been woeful this year is just plain wrong. From the Fanzine diary( speak to Dave!), to the MoM threads on here, Lucas went through an excellent spell in December, being one of the best players in 4 or 5 games. He blotted his copying book with his stupid tackling, which saw us drop two points at Wigan and have to play everton with 10 men, but other wise, he's done a job. He has not been woeful but equally, given his penchant for suicidal tackles, he's not been good enough either. But thats football, 6m for a 19yr old Brazilian player of the year was a snip, with hindsight its not worked, but at the time he was signed who'd have gone against it ? Spearing has forced his way up the list, by being good, not being local,just as it should be.

 

What concerns me Tom, is that people are too fixated on the local lads and not on talent in general and also in favourties. Last season, Plessis and Insua were the stars of the ressies, both are still young and have been given chances, but in Plessis case, he seems to have suffered from a) being played ahead of Xabi int eh Sunderland game and b) being ahead of Spearing.

 

We need to encourage all the youth we have, wherever they be from. WithMcPartland now in charge, one hopes that by having the best academy, we will see the best youngsters come through and that will help the lads wherever they are from, be it Toxteth, Bootle, Huyton or Sao Paulo.

 

It has NOTHING to so with who is local or not. I'm not caught up in any such thing. I'm caught up in the best young players getting games on merit and form, not on whether or not rafa paid money for them.

 

Lucas gets games ahead of Spearing not because he's a better player - because he isn't - he gets games because he cost us £7m. It's that simple.

 

I agree that Lucas has had a few good games. But I still maintain he's been woeful in at least 75% of the rest. I've defended him several times, abnd th treatment he gets is shocking. But when he's played shite hes simply been rewarded with more appearances and that aint right.

 

I don't give a shit where a player comes from. If we didn't have a single local lad in our team I genuinely wouldn't give a shit, providing that every player was good enough to get in the team on merit alone.