Sunak's Budget Speech

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The point is having somewhere to live when you're alive.

 

I've not been through this whole thread, so I have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that the progressive taxation of unearned wealth is a "Tory mentality" but it really isn't - it is literally the opposite. And how does taxing inherited wealth over £350,000 (or whatever) "ruin life for everyone"?

Yep that one thing is ruining life for everyone that’s exactly what I was saying. 
 

Maybe have a read of what I’ve been saying. 

[dockers_strike]

12 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The point is having somewhere to live when you're alive.

 

I've not been through this whole thread, so I have no idea how you arrived at the conclusion that the progressive taxation of unearned wealth is a "Tory mentality" but it really isn't - it is literally the opposite. And how does taxing inherited wealth over £350,000 (or whatever) "ruin life for everyone"?

It was a strawman argument thrown in to argue against Sunak had done nothing to help pensioners, those amongst the poorest in our society.

 

Someone made the 2nd strawman argument that 25% of over 65's in London live in homes valued in excess of a million quid so all pensioners should be taxed on the increased value of their home. That means 75% of over 65s dont live in million pound gaffs even in London.

 

The first strawman being that younger folk couldnt get on the housing ladder despite pensioners owning their own home. I dont dispute that but one, many pensioners dont own their own home, they rent or are in other accommodation.

 

Secondly, many pensioners do help their kids get on the housing ladder including me. I dont look to any praise for that, I look on it as a parental duty to help my kids even in their adult life as much as possible.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

57 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

That's why they call you Boss. 

It's really not.

 

When we talk about unearned income, we're referring to income that hasn't been earned by the recipient; it's as straightforward and as far from "doublethink" as possible. The majority of it wasn't even earned by the dead person (who typically will have bought a house for, say, £150,000, but left a £750,000 house, through no input on their part).

 

As for using inherited wealth as recompense for caring for parents, that is Tory thinking: the wealthy get rewarded, the poor get fuck all, irrespective of how hard they worked to care for their parents.  A non-Tory approach is to have care services provided free of charge at the point of use, funded by progressive taxation. 

 

Once you start arguing against taxation, you're arguing against the things that Government should be paying for.

[Karl_b]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

I have called SD a Tory plenty of times for many reasons. Him voting for that horrible Lib Dem/Tory coalition being the main reason. Do I believe he’s a full blown Conservative voter who would put a cross in their sole slot on a ballot paper? Nah.

 

Only you know if you're a tory or not, from your posts that I remember I wouldn't say so. But thanks for voting for that coalition. The working class appreciate it. 

Everything is very black and white with you isn't it, you don't do subtlety or nuance at all.

 

As a 23 year old, second time voting, student I thought they were the best option at the time. I didn't vote for a Lib Dem/Tory coalition, I wouldn't knowingly and I haven't voted for either party since - although I'm open minded enough to think that the LD's may one day get my vote again. I'll be sure to tell the folks of the North Hull Council estate I grew up on that some bloke on TLW represents their best interests now, I'm sure they'll appreciate that.

[Bjornebye]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's really not.

 

When we talk about unearned income, we're referring to income that hasn't been earned by the recipient; it's as straightforward and as far from "doublethink" as possible. The majority of it wasn't even earned by the dead person (who typically will have bought a house for, say, £150,000, but left a £750,000 house, through no input on their part).

 

As for using inherited wealth as recompense for caring for parents, that is Tory thinking: the wealthy get rewarded, the poor get fuck all, irrespective of how hard they worked to care for their parents.  A non-Tory approach is to have care services provided free of charge at the point of use, funded by progressive taxation. 

 

Once you start arguing against taxation, you're arguing against the things that Government should be paying for.

I'll repeat myself (again) but show me tax being distributed fairly and not chunks of it going straight into super rich pockets and I'll revise my thinking on people being taxed on something that's already been taxed and has been given as a gift. 

 

My main gripe isn't even really the tax on the higher threshold, my gripe is the re-distribution of that wealth. Fair? My arse. 

[Bjornebye]

3 minutes ago, Karl_b said:

Everything is very black and white with you isn't it, you don't do subtlety or nuance at all.

 

As a 23 year old, second time voting, student I thought they were the best option at the time. I didn't vote for a Lib Dem/Tory coalition, I wouldn't knowingly and I haven't voted for either party since - although I'm open minded enough to think that the LD's may one day get my vote again. I'll be sure to tell the folks of the North Hull Council estate I grew up on that some bloke on TLW represents their best interests now, I'm sure they'll appreciate that.

You asked me a question Karl. 

 

If you voted Lib Dem why would you be a Tory? If you knowingly voted for a Lib Dem/Tory coalition then you essentially voted Tory seeing as Cameron was elected PM. 

 

You tell them folk, do just that. They will appreciate at least someone giving a toss about them. 

[Karl_b]

Oh and the topic at hand, I'm generally in favour of inheritance tax but I think our tax system is so broken that it's all a bit moot. If happily pay more tax if I saw more return for it, if society was more equal and people were happier for it (see, Denmark).

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Karl_b said:

Oh and the topic at hand, I'm generally in favour of inheritance tax but I think our tax system is so broken that it's all a bit moot. If happily pay more tax if I saw more return for it, if society was more equal and people were happier for it (see, Denmark).

This. 

[Karl_b]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

You asked me a question Karl. 

 

If you voted Lib Dem why would you be a Tory? If you knowingly voted for a Lib Dem/Tory coalition then you essentially voted Tory seeing as Cameron was elected PM. 

 

You tell them folk, do just that. They will appreciate at least someone giving a toss about them. 

It was a rhetorical question because quite clearly I'm not, and know I'm not, a Tory. You seem to just want to label things and gnash your teeth, you're arguing that socialist policies are Tory policy, its not a good look.

[Rico1304]

Can someone point out that misunderstanding something and then shouting ‘Strawman’ is fucking stupid. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Karl_b said:

It was a rhetorical question because quite clearly I'm not, and know I'm not, a Tory. You seem to just want to label things and gnash your teeth, you're arguing that socialist policies are Tory policy, its not a good look.

Ok Karl. 

[Section_31]

Karl B is a Tory like Alan Sex is a prude. 

[Karl_b]

2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Karl B is a Tory like Alan Sex is a prude. 

Nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Karl B is a Tory like Alan Sex is a prude. 

Nobody has said he is one. 

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

57 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I'll repeat myself (again) but show me tax being distributed fairly and not chunks of it going straight into super rich pockets and I'll revise my thinking on people being taxed on something that's already been taxed and has been given as a gift. 

 

My main gripe isn't even really the tax on the higher threshold, my gripe is the re-distribution of that wealth. Fair? My arse. 

That's arse about face.

"This pie isn't being shared fairly; we need a smaller pie!"

 

Only about the richest 7% of estates are subject to Inheritance Tax, but still Tory twats like the Daily Express run campaign to have it abolished. There's a reason for that and it's not because they're committed to fairer redistribution of wealth.

 

The philosophy of economic governance that always appeals most to me is "From each according to their means; to each according to their needs".  Inheritance Tax is clearly part of the first half of that maxim; booting Rishi Sunak and his gaggle of cunts out of office is the second half.

[Bjornebye]

8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That's arse about face.

"This pie isn't being shared fairly; we need a smaller pie!"

 

Only about the richest 7% of estates are subject to Inheritance Tax, but still Tory twats like the Daily Express run campaign to have it abolished. There's a reason for that and it's not because they're committed to fairer redistribution of wealth.

 

The philosophy of economic governance that always appeals most to me is "From each according to their means; to each according to their needs".  Inheritance Tax is clearly part of the first half of that maxim; booting Rishi Sunak and his gaggle of cunts out of office is the second half.

Ok Mal. 

 

Anyway, Sunak is a cunt. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Anyway, Sunak is a cunt. 

It's good to know that there's always common ground.

[Gnasher]

2 hours ago, Boss said:

I'm going to remove that. I'm not going to discuss politics anymore. I'll just stick to the music threads instead.

I'm afraid you're wrong anyway, the I'm not paying tax because it does not go on the things its supposed to is a separate argument, not an excuse to let the family of wealthy deceased homeowners skip out of paying tax. If a wealthy socialite owns a few pads in Chelsea then pops their clogs its only fair that some of the wealth handed down goes towards helping people less fortunate.

[Gnasher]

 

 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I'm not a snob but if you're married to a billionaire and you drive a Kia Rio you just fucking annoy me.

[Anubis]

30 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

 

Sainsbury worker is probably on a shit wage. But yeah, let’s allow the cunt who is fucking me over to use my car so I can post on Facebook that the Chancellor borrowed my car for a photo. Fucking doffing cunts like lemmings to a cliff.

[Gnasher]

24 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I'm not a snob but if you're married to a billionaire and you drive a Kia Rio you just fucking annoy me.

He doesn't drive one, he borrowed it for a photoshoot, the tories are good at these, man of the people an all that.

[Captain Turdseye]

Bet you a tenner that he poured diesel into a petrol engine. 

[Section_31]

Nice cars Kia Rios, rented one a couple of years back, small engine but shit off a shovel. 

[Strontium]

He probably does drive a compact car though because he needs one small enough for his feet to reach the pedals.