Summer 2017 Transfer Thread

[TheHowieLama]

 

How people can't see the shit we're in amazes me

 

runs off to bump the Gomez and Clyne thread....

[an tha]

 

Then there's the fact Lucas moved ahead of klavan as the season went on last year, we've sold him, so we've effectively promoted klavan to closer to the team (with injury prone centre backs) or we rely on a boy who's never played a game in the Premier league at centre back and has barely played a competitive game for 2 years.

 

I think it can be argued, as a squad, our defence is potentially weaker now than when the season finished. And if we do pull VVD out of the bag (of which I believe there is zero chance) , the lad hasn't played all 2017 and has had no pre-season, so he'll be miles off the pace for months, at a time when we're playing 2 games a week in Europe etc.

 

How people can't see the shit we're in amazes me.

Spot fucking on.

[3 Stacks]

None of this shit makes sense.

 

If our transfer strategy is Klopp identifying targets (of which he can only seem to fathom two in the entire footballing world), then what the absolute fuck is the point of our scouting department and "transfer committee"?

 

If he doesn't trust their judgement - rightly or wrongly - then why are we employing them? Why hasn't he brought in people he does trust to source players? Or does the entirety of Liverpool football club think only VVD and Keita are the only players than can improve us?

 

The structure is that Klopp and the people on the committee work together to establish targets and then he has the final say. He clearly does trust them as we've bought Solanke and Robertson who he wouldn't have known much about. 

[3 Stacks]

Also, banter article coming up:

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfers-defender-virgil-van-13438462

 

Jurgen Klopp says Liverpool don't need to sign another centre back. 

 

Reds boss points to a dearth of available options in transfer market as season approaches.

[ngogswilly]

Jesus h christ

[YNWAViking]

So there's no CBs that can make us better, except VVD? Hahaha. Funny German.

[Red House]

"We have four (centre-backs). I don’t think we need more," Klopp said.

"Look out there and tell me five that would make us stronger, five. Then you win a prize! It’s difficult how it is.

[El Rojo]

Jurgen overdoing the 'we're not interested in new signings' card this weekend. He wouldn't be much good at poker.

 

VVD and Keita by August 28th. Believe.

[Funkasy]

He did the same shit in december and our season went tits up.

[Creator Supreme]

Jurgen overdoing the 'we're not interested in new signings' card this weekend. He wouldn't be much good at poker.

 

VVD and Keita by August 28th. Believe.

What year?

[JoeBuck]

This is his 4th transfer and so the excuses are running out. Andy fucking Robertson is the best left back he could identify? - same profile and issues as Moreno. VVD is the Dutch Mark Wright... plays his own game positionally and hence is a £12m defender at best.

 

What about his famed charisma for attracting German stars, and keeping the likes of Couthino and Can happy?

[G Richards]

Here's the thing though, we supposedly have strengthened the back line, we bought a left back, who would appear on the face of it to be struggling so much right now, Moreno is suddenly an option. Who'd have thought we'd be coming into the season and there would be a real chance Moreno is in our match day squad, maybe even starting if milner is needed in midfield? It's incredible really, the manager wouldn't even put him on the pitch last season even though milner was dead on his feet.

Then there's the fact Lucas moved ahead of klavan as the season went on last year, we've sold him, so we've effectively promoted klavan to closer to the team (with injury prone centre backs) or we rely on a boy who's never played a game in the Premier league at centre back and has barely played a competitive game for 2 years.

I think it can be argued, as a squad, our defence is potentially weaker now than when the season finished. And if we do pull VVD out of the bag (of which I believe there is zero chance) , the lad hasn't played all 2017 and has had no pre-season, so he'll be miles off the pace for months, at a time when we're playing 2 games a week in Europe etc.

How people can't see the shit we're in amazes me.

It's a fair comment on the defence. No argument from me that it needs strengthening, especially the centre backs.

 

I objected to eeyore calling the manager a tw*t. I don't think that's on. His point on the team and the need to strengthen and so on was fair enough, but getting so sore with the manager seemed way out of place to me.

[Jay86]

All going off on twitter after them comments from Klopp. He's not the type of manager to come out and publicly slate his players so what do people expect? He needs to keep Lovren and Matips confidence high in case we don't get Van Dijk, if he was truly happy with our defence he'd not have spent all summer after one! Hysterical twats on twitter are hilarious.

[JoeyJones65]

"We have four (centre-backs). I don’t think we need more," Klopp said.[/size]"Look out there and tell me five that would make us stronger, five. Then you win a prize! It’s difficult how it is.[/size]

Of those four only Matip is up to required standard. Lovren is a walking brainfart and the other two simply aren't good enough.

 

If a team has any genuine ambitions of success, a strong defence is a must. When it comes that area of the pitch we are nowhere near. .What worries me more is that either Jurgen Klopp is in denial about our defensive problems or FSG were bullshitting us about there being a "warchest".

[G Richards]

It's a given that the defence needs strengthening and Klopp has been trying to sign VVD. Just wanting to move away from that and ask a question about the defence and the current squad...

 

Just thinking out loud here, but last season saw Milner come in at left back. By most people's estimation he did fairly well there but then tired and had a dip in form, but overall he wasn't bad at all. It's fair to say we wanted better, but Milner had the shirt for most of the season and did OK.

 

Here's my question. Is there another player in the squad who could play at centre back? Is there someone else who Klopp could move from their current position and potentially unearth something good for us?

 

I'm well aware that we should not be in that position, and hopefully by the end of the window we won't be, but for the purpose of discussion, do we see another player who could do a decent job there? Could Emre Can be redeployed? Or someone else?

[Jay86]

It's a given that the defence needs strengthening and Klopp has been trying to sign VVD. Just wanting to move away from that and ask a question about the defence and the current squad...

 

Just thinking out loud here, but last season saw Milner come in at left back. By most people's estimation he did fairly well there but then tired and had a dip in form, but overall he wasn't bad at all. It's fair to say we wanted better, but Milner had the shirt for most of the season and did OK.

 

Here's my question. Is there another player in the squad who could play at centre back? Is there someone else who Klopp could move from their current position and potentially unearth something good for us?

 

I'm well aware that we should be in that position, and hopefully by the end of the window we won't be, but for the purpose of discussion, do we see another player who could do a decent job there? Could Emre Can be redeployed? Or someone else?

Not a centre back. Klopp tends to convert his players into fullbacks, it's easier and a less specialist position, centre backs take years and years of experience to get to their peak, that's why when you buy a 22/23 year old centre back they're rarely the finished article and your still buying potential, they tend to get better with age and hugely improve on their positional play as they get older.

[jimmycase]

It's a given that the defence needs strengthening and Klopp has been trying to sign VVD. Just wanting to move away from that and ask a question about the defence and the current squad...

 

Just thinking out loud here, but last season saw Milner come in at left back. By most people's estimation he did fairly well there but then tired and had a dip in form, but overall he wasn't bad at all. It's fair to say we wanted better, but Milner had the shirt for most of the season and did OK.

 

Here's my question. Is there another player in the squad who could play at centre back? Is there someone else who Klopp could move from their current position and potentially unearth something good for us?

 

I'm well aware that we should be in that position, and hopefully by the end of the window we won't be, but for the purpose of discussion, do we see another player who could do a decent job there? Could Emre Can be redeployed? Or someone else?

 

Who knows? Emlyn Hughes moved from left back with Blackpool to play midfield with Liverpool before moving to centre back. I think Mascherano played centre back frequently with barcelona.

 

I dont think Gomez is as bad as people make out. Jocky was far more lax as a centre back when he broke into the team. The goal he nearly gave away in the European Champions Cup Final against Bruges was one of a number of lax moments in his early career.

 

Could he move Henderson or even Gini there, who knows?

[Unrighteous]

Who knows? Emlyn Hughes moved from left back with Blackpool to play midfield with Liverpool before moving to centre back. I think Mascherano played centre back frequently with barcelona.

 

I dont think Gomez is as bad as people make out. Jocky was far more lax as a centre back when he broke into the team. The goal he nearly gave away in the European Champions Cup Final against Bruges was one of a number of lax moments in his early career.

 

Could he move Henderson or even Gini there, who knows?

 

Yea, because that'll solve our issues in midfield and defence.  

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

Of those four only Matip is up to required standard. Lovren is a walking brainfart and the other two simply aren't good enough.

 

If a team has any genuine ambitions of success, a strong defence is a must. When it comes that area of the pitch we are nowhere near. .What worries me more is that either Jurgen Klopp is in denial about our defensive problems or FSG were bullshitting us about there being a "warchest".

 

The thing I don't fucking get with Klopp is why he is still so loyal to some of the useless cunts in our squad. Are they winners? Fuck no. They are the same gutless fuckers that played under Rodgers

 

This is Klopp's fourth transfer window here and most likely to be the fourth unsatisfactory transfer window not fixing or addressing the weakness areas in our squad.

 

And people think it's down to FSG. Klopp is calling all the shots I'm afraid.

[Kevin D]

"We have four (centre-backs). I don’t think we need more," Klopp said.[/size]"Look out there and tell me five that would make us stronger, five. Then you win a prize! It’s difficult how it is.[/size]

Hmmm.

[Guest Alex_K]

Yeah, Jurgen Klopp -- title winning, cup winning manager who's taken unfancied sides to Champions League & Europa Finals and bossed all the top teams we've played in the division -- is likely to be the only one in the room who doesn't see the issues with the squad. He's desperately refusing the riches being shoved upon him by Peter "we don't need a fifty-thousand quid greenhouse" Moore and Michael "Head of Performance and Analysis, all the way from Peterborough Via Portsmouth" Edwards.  That sounds right.

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah, Jurgen Klopp -- title winning, cup winning manager who's taken unfancied sides to Champions League & Europa Finals and bossed all the top teams we've played in the division -- is likely to be the only one in the room who doesn't see the issues with the squad. That sounds right.

I'm not blaming Klopp but you've got to admit something's not right. I don't believe he is secretly seething while presenting a different face to the public. And if he isn't seething why isn't he?

[3 Stacks]

Yeah, Jurgen Klopp -- title winning, cup winning manager who's taken unfancied sides to Champions League & Europa Finals and bossed all the top teams we've played in the division -- is likely to be the only one in the room who doesn't see the issues with the squad. He's desperately refusing the riches being shoved upon him by Peter "we don't need a fifty-thousand quid greenhouse" Moore and Michael "Head of Performance and Analysis, all the way from Peterborough Via Portsmouth" Edwards.  That sounds right.

 

When is he going to start voicing his displeasure?

[Pureblood]

He'll be allowed to spend if we overcome Hoffenheim and might also have some Coutinho money.  That's what it all points towards. 

[Guest Alex_K]

I'm not blaming Klopp but you've got to admit something's not right. I don't believe he is secretly seething while presenting a different face to the public. And if he isn't seething why isn't he?

 

Why not? Were Wenger or Ferguson publicly seething when they both went years without spending a penny, propping up their broke ownerships, citing "no value in the market" arguement that completely contradicted their transfer activities in the years before and after? No -- and they both made out very lucratively for it by the end of it. Its not unusual for highly paid managers to adopt professional public personas. At the end of the day Klopp is still the best asset the club has, and I'd rather he grin and bear it then go the Rafa route.