Making A Murderer

[Aventus]

I pissed myself when the lawyer tried to push all of the blame away from Avery and onto father and brother Dassey. 

 

That phonecall when Brendans ma is going apeshit at steven is the kind if shit I live for. Great television. 

[General Dryness]

2 minutes ago, Aventus said:

I pissed myself when the lawyer tried to push all of the blame away from Avery and onto father and brother Dassey. 

I would say theres enough for a fair case against them.

[No2]

5 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm surprised that your initial thoughts were that Steven Avery did it and neither season 1 or 2 have changed that in any way. It would appear that in this case the premise of the show has not really worked in it's ambition to throw doubt on the prosecution's evidence.

Of course there is doubt and if the show was all there was I would say that is a not a safe conviction. But it's not all there is, all her little theories go unchallenged and we didn't get to see half of the original trial.

 

The computer with all the sick shit was ceased months after the event, Barb stated in the phone call that she didn't even have internet at the time of the murder, why didn't the lawyer shows us that she did? 

 

The idea that the ex broke into the trailer and scooped up some blood from the sink, fuck me that's stretching it. And the idea that the police (who look incompetent as fuck) have the wherewithal to immediately join forces with the ex (who I assume they didn't know) and suddenly concoct a bullet proof plan in a space of a few hours. 

 

Then there is the guy who stated he told a copper in a garage he seen the car up the road, if he was so eager to get the truth out why isn't he on the show? That part goes completely unchallenged. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I read the book wrecking crew about it and though you are only hearing the prosecution's case it is very compelling. One thing is certain there is no way the murder could of happened the way it did in brendans confession. Given that the confession was a major reason for conviction having no retrial is just wrong.

[Captain Turdseye]

7 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Mrs is well into this. I took her to the Lowry last week for a Q&A with the lawyers while I sat in the bar. I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

 

After the second series, every time I walked into a room Mrs Turdseye would be listening to one podcast or another to do with how much of a bastard Ken Kratz is. 

[Dr Nowt]

2 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

After the second series, every time I walked into a room Mrs Turdseye would be listening to one podcast or another to do with how much of a bastard Ken Kratz is. 

That never struck me as something which required a huge amount of digging around on.

 

Pretty much any video footage of him lasting around 10 seconds provides fairly compelling evidence.

[VladimirIlyich]

The whole thing goes back to the old saying of 'Follow the money.' The money was going to go to Avery after his first wrongful conviction and would have bankrupt the whole department and the cop's pensions. They would do anything to protect that and the fact that Avery didn't leave the state when released played right into their hands. I think the killer was somebody close to the girl and they half knew Avery could be put in the frame for it. I don't think the cops would have needed much persuasion either.

[Saintslfc13]

13 hours ago, Section_31 said:

...I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

 

Ironically enough that kind of sentiment from the coasts and most major cities is exactly why Trump got elected. The continuation (and one might even say proliferation) of it is why, despite all the bullshit around him he’ll still have a legitimate chance at re-election provided he doesn’t resign or be removed from office for legal reasons.

[Saintslfc13]

After the first season I thought Tadych knew more than he was letting on. I just don’t trust something about that guy. Bobby Dassey with the pictures on his computer and some pretty out there porn is suspect too as he certainly had the means and the time.

 

As someone else said there’s simply no way the murder happened as Brendan said it did and that’s been clear, for me anyway, since season 1. Season 2 only confirms that whilst also creating more questions in the prosecutions case.

[General Dryness]

The nonsense starts with Dasseys confession that has the victim being slashed to bits in a room without leaving a single trace of DNA behind.

 

Kind of casts doubt on the rest of the case really.

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, General Dryness said:

The nonsense starts with Dasseys confession that has the victim being slashed to bits in a room without leaving a single trace of DNA behind.

 

Kind of casts doubt on the rest of the case really.

They created a scenario of a murder and planted evidence to fit the scenario. The interview with Brendan Dassey was absolutely coerced and anybody without a psychology degree could see how the interviewer was guiding him through a story,planting words and letting Dassey fill in his gaps in the story. The female defence lawyer tore the prosecution to shreds,even if some of her scenarios were a bit far fetched.

[lifetime fan]

17 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Mrs is well into this. I took her to the Lowry last week for a Q&A with the lawyers while I sat in the bar. I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

 

"Injustice anywhere, is a threat to justice everywhere". 

[Remmie]

Just finished the 2nd season, where to start? The documentary makers have struck gold with this case, it's just perfect for them - a man wrongfully convicted once, convicted again and enough evidence on both sides to see multiple court proceedings. Ken Kratz couldn't be any more of a cartoon villain, with his paedo voice and irritating attention seeking manner. 

 

Zellner is a botoxed, face painted weirdo, but obviously very good at her job. Didn't like the way she shat over other defence lawyers like Buting, Strang and my weird crush Nirider, easy to be wise after the event when you have a lot more time and evidence on your side. 

 

I'd echo what others said and fuck me the family shite was beyond unnecessary, they could have cut about 4 hours footage. The Avery's are 1 thick boring shower of oddballs and the footage I did sit through was tortuous, Steven was probably better off in prison than listening to that level of chat. 

 

As for the case itself, I really don't know what to think now. I was always pretty sure Brendan Dassey was innocent, but Avery has a dodgy history burning a cat and being a threatening shit house to girlfriends when they dump him, so after series 1 a part of me thought he probably did do it. I'm still not sure now as the documentary is so incredibly biased we really don't know how much evidence we're missing from the prosecution. Bobby Dassey is obviously looking extremely greasy and suspicious and I am wondering if he is going to get time for having paedo images on his pc. 

 

The court system in America is unbelievable, Dassey ended up having 6 hearings/trials and could have had number 7.

 

How the fuck can Avery afford Zellner, with all her experts and over a year service? 

 

Why do I find Nirider attractive, she has weird teeth, hair and figure but I would wallop it. 

 

How much did the drone operator earn on this show, he/she got milked?

 

Did Dassey ever get to watch wrestlemania and did he also win the weirdo prison floozy lottery and get some jailbird strange? 

[Barrington Womble]

50 minutes ago, Remmie said:

Just finished the 2nd season, where to start? The documentary makers have struck gold with this case, it's just perfect for them - a man wrongfully convicted once, convicted again and enough evidence on both sides to see multiple court proceedings. Ken Kratz couldn't be any more of a cartoon villain, with his paedo voice and irritating attention seeking manner. 

 

Zellner is a botoxed, face painted weirdo, but obviously very good at her job. Didn't like the way she shat over other defence lawyers like Buting, Strang and my weird crush Nirider, easy to be wise after the event when you have a lot more time and evidence on your side. 

 

I'd echo what others said and fuck me the family shite was beyond unnecessary, they could have cut about 4 hours footage. The Avery's are 1 thick boring shower of oddballs and the footage I did sit through was tortuous, Steven was probably better off in prison than listening to that level of chat. 

 

As for the case itself, I really don't know what to think now. I was always pretty sure Brendan Dassey was innocent, but Avery has a dodgy history burning a cat and being a threatening shit house to girlfriends when they dump him, so after series 1 a part of me thought he probably did do it. I'm still not sure now as the documentary is so incredibly biased we really don't know how much evidence we're missing from the prosecution. Bobby Dassey is obviously looking extremely greasy and suspicious and I am wondering if he is going to get time for having paedo images on his pc. 

 

The court system in America is unbelievable, Dassey ended up having 6 hearings/trials and could have had number 7.

 

How the fuck can Avery afford Zellner, with all her experts and over a year service? 

 

Why do I find Nirider attractive, she has weird teeth, hair and figure but I would wallop it. 

 

How much did the drone operator earn on this show, he/she got milked?

 

Did Dassey ever get to watch wrestlemania and did he also win the weirdo prison floozy lottery and get some jailbird strange? 

In response to 2 of your questions. He can afford zellner as I assume her pay is when he gets 300trillions when he gets out and she takes 20%. And as for nirider... Mate, I'm on that wagon too. I put it down to the fact all the other women in the show had been murdered or were Avery's inbred family. Either way though, nirider is getting it if she pops round one evening. 

[Josef Svejk]

3 hours ago, Remmie said:

Why do I find Nirider attractive, she has weird teeth, hair and figure but I would wallop it.

The key question in this entire sorry saga, I agree.

[General Dryness]

Nirider could habeas my corpus any time. As long as she works pro boner. 

[Guest]

I just did a google search for her name and the top listing is both her and the other lawyer are selling tickets for a Making A Murderer Tour. 

[razor]

8 hours ago, Remmie said:

Steven was probably better off in prison than listening to that level of chat. 

I don't noo.

 

Oh, ya?

 

Ya.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, razor said:

I don't noo.

 

Oh, ya?

 

Ya.

Is there a Scottish version? 

[Sweeney287]

10 hours ago, Remmie said:

Just finished the 2nd season, where to start? The documentary makers have struck gold with this case, it's just perfect for them - a man wrongfully convicted once, convicted again and enough evidence on both sides to see multiple court proceedings. Ken Kratz couldn't be any more of a cartoon villain, with his paedo voice and irritating attention seeking manner. 

 

Zellner is a botoxed, face painted weirdo, but obviously very good at her job. Didn't like the way she shat over other defence lawyers like Buting, Strang and my weird crush Nirider, easy to be wise after the event when you have a lot more time and evidence on your side. 

 

I'd echo what others said and fuck me the family shite was beyond unnecessary, they could have cut about 4 hours footage. The Avery's are 1 thick boring shower of oddballs and the footage I did sit through was tortuous, Steven was probably better off in prison than listening to that level of chat. 

 

As for the case itself, I really don't know what to think now. I was always pretty sure Brendan Dassey was innocent, but Avery has a dodgy history burning a cat and being a threatening shit house to girlfriends when they dump him, so after series 1 a part of me thought he probably did do it. I'm still not sure now as the documentary is so incredibly biased we really don't know how much evidence we're missing from the prosecution. Bobby Dassey is obviously looking extremely greasy and suspicious and I am wondering if he is going to get time for having paedo images on his pc. 

 

The court system in America is unbelievable, Dassey ended up having 6 hearings/trials and could have had number 7.

 

How the fuck can Avery afford Zellner, with all her experts and over a year service? 

 

Why do I find Nirider attractive, she has weird teeth, hair and figure but I would wallop it. 

 

How much did the drone operator earn on this show, he/she got milked?

 

Did Dassey ever get to watch wrestlemania and did he also win the weirdo prison floozy lottery and get some jailbird strange? 

You're not alone with your Nirider attraction. My mind turned to filth every time she was on the screen

[Numero Veinticinco]

10 hours ago, Remmie said:

Just finished the 2nd season, where to start?

 The third season? 

 

Sorry, I've nothing valuable to add. I've not seen any of this. I'll leave now.

[Remmie]

1 minute ago, Hank Moody said:

 The third season? 

 

Sorry, I've nothing valuable to add. I've not seen any of this. I'll leave now.

The filler potential in a third season would be truly excruciating. Small talk with the Avery's featuring Barb looking haggard as hell jus want in my baby to come home. 

 

I'd still watch it though. 

[VladimirIlyich]

1 hour ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Is there a Scottish version? 

Take The Nirider Road.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 minutes ago, Remmie said:

The filler potential in a third season would be truly excruciating. Small talk with the Avery's featuring Barb looking haggard as hell jus want in my baby to come home. 

 

I'd still watch it though. 

I SAID GOOD DAY, SIR.

[Remmie]

5 hours ago, General Dryness said:

Nirider could habeas my corpus any time. As long as she works pro boner. 

I'd give her 7 circuits of En Banc, then dismiss her afterwards citing her refusal to take my aedpa on the chin