Making A Murderer

[Brownie]

56 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

 

Not watched it but the 5Live podcast series was excellent. 

I finished it yesterday and thought it was brilliant. The defence attorney was so good.

[VladimirIlyich]

33 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I finished it yesterday and thought it was brilliant. The defence attorney was so good.

The Staircase has genuine interest because its not a clear cut case for guilt or innocence either way.

[The Guest]

I’ve just finished the second series.  I really liked the first but I thought this was better.  Other than the first episode if it flowed more.  There were obviously the parts with the Avery family that people will find boring and understandably so but I think they were added to see the impact his incarceration has had on his family.

 

Zellner is unbelievable really.  When I first seen her appearing on twitter a few years ago I thought she just come across like an attention seeker making big claims about new evidence and solving the case just to increase her own profile.  I couldn’t have been more wrong.  People like her are a credit to her profession and the US as a whole.

 

She’s relentless and easily the highlights of the show are when she’s on screen just dropping bombs all over the place.  She’s basically solved the case for me.  When you consider the evidence contamination, the withheld evidence, the fact it was all a decade old she’s meticulously worked through it all with her staff and experts she’s selected and nailed the whole thing.

 

Despite the sickening feeling of watching an absolute travesty of justice like this it was a pleasure to watch Zellner.

 

Just one more thing.  You can absolutely guarantee that those 2 women judges on that 7 judge panel slaughtering the interview techniques will have been democrats and the rest will have been republicans.  Fucking scumbags.

[Captain Turdseye]

I finished the new series the other day. It shouldn’t have been called Making a Murderer. The new name for it should be ‘Making a Celebrity of this Woman Lawyer’

[Carvalho Diablo]

Zellner looks like Lemmy.

[Le Duan]

Ignorance, stupidity, incompetence and corruption in Hicksville USA - who would have thought it eh?

[Anubis]

17 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:

I finished the new series the other day. It shouldn’t have been called Making a Murderer. The new name for it should be ‘Making a Celebrity of this Woman Lawyer’

Is the fact that she's a woman relevant, you sexist pig?

 

Sexist, pig. Sexist.

 

[No2]

Just finished season 2. 

 

From season 1 I thought Avery did it but no involvement from Brendan. After watching it my opinion hasn't changed. 

 

The lawyer is all about poor Steven, she doesn't give a shit about him or Teresa Halback ( who looks like Marcus Alonso). If he was in line for 36m then it's safe to say a wrongful conviction here must be worth between 100m-200m at least. Mrs 10% is looking at a mansion in  Beverly Hills with her cut. She says through out that her job is show it's possible someone else could have done it, all she has done is throw names out there. She is after a technicality that gets her paid and possibly releases a murderer. 

[liverpoolsno9]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

Just finished season 2. 

 

From season 1 I thought Avery did it but no involvement from Brendan. After watching it my opinion hasn't changed. 

 

The lawyer is all about poor Steven, she doesn't give a shit about him or Teresa Halback ( who looks like Marcus Alonso). If he was in line for 36m then it's safe to say a wrongful conviction here must be worth between 100m-200m at least. Mrs 10% is looking at a mansion in  Beverly Hills with her cut. She says through out that her job is show it's possible someone else could have done it, all she has done is throw names out there. She is after a technicality that gets her paid and possibly releases a murderer. 

And she’s done her job, she’s pretty much disproved that it didn’t happen as the State said it did. That in itself casts massive doubt to the conviction, amongst other things. Not really a ‘technicality’ though is it? It’s a massive big hole in the prosecution. They’ve just made it all up, hardly a technicality

[Bobby Hundreds]

Brendans brother Bobby is suspicious as fuck. PC held pictures of Teresa on it, it was full of violent torture porn, murder pictures, searches for DNA all of which was held back from court which is a Brady violation. There needs to be a retrial but that could potentially mean the state was wrong twice and put other convictions by that DA and police department in doubt so they are determined not to give one.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, No2 said:

Just finished season 2. 

 

From season 1 I thought Avery did it but no involvement from Brendan. After watching it my opinion hasn't changed. 

 

The lawyer is all about poor Steven, she doesn't give a shit about him or Teresa Halback ( who looks like Marcus Alonso). If he was in line for 36m then it's safe to say a wrongful conviction here must be worth between 100m-200m at least. Mrs 10% is looking at a mansion in  Beverly Hills with her cut. She says through out that her job is show it's possible someone else could have done it, all she has done is throw names out there. She is after a technicality that gets her paid and possibly releases a murderer. 

I'm surprised that your initial thoughts were that Steven Avery did it and neither season 1 or 2 have changed that in any way. It would appear that in this case the premise of the show has not really worked in it's ambition to throw doubt on the prosecution's evidence.

[Section_31]

Mrs is well into this. I took her to the Lowry last week for a Q&A with the lawyers while I sat in the bar. I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

[Em City]

54 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

 

Bit of an odd position to take when you're constantly highlighting the role of marginalised people as a major factor of Brexit, don't you think?

[Barrington Womble]

I don't know how anyone can come to a conclusion of guilty from watching this show. This show brings nothing but doubt to the convictions. I am not saying he's innocent, as I have not seen all the evidence, but I know with absolute certainty there's no way anyone can know he's guilty from the evidence that has been displayed. And as for the comment that Zellner is there for the money - probably she is. And what? Who doesn't go to work for the money? 

[Aventus]

I pissed myself when the lawyer tried to push all of the blame away from Avery and onto father and brother Dassey. 

 

That phonecall when Brendans ma is going apeshit at steven is the kind if shit I live for. Great television. 

[General Dryness]

2 minutes ago, Aventus said:

I pissed myself when the lawyer tried to push all of the blame away from Avery and onto father and brother Dassey. 

I would say theres enough for a fair case against them.

[No2]

5 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

I'm surprised that your initial thoughts were that Steven Avery did it and neither season 1 or 2 have changed that in any way. It would appear that in this case the premise of the show has not really worked in it's ambition to throw doubt on the prosecution's evidence.

Of course there is doubt and if the show was all there was I would say that is a not a safe conviction. But it's not all there is, all her little theories go unchallenged and we didn't get to see half of the original trial.

 

The computer with all the sick shit was ceased months after the event, Barb stated in the phone call that she didn't even have internet at the time of the murder, why didn't the lawyer shows us that she did? 

 

The idea that the ex broke into the trailer and scooped up some blood from the sink, fuck me that's stretching it. And the idea that the police (who look incompetent as fuck) have the wherewithal to immediately join forces with the ex (who I assume they didn't know) and suddenly concoct a bullet proof plan in a space of a few hours. 

 

Then there is the guy who stated he told a copper in a garage he seen the car up the road, if he was so eager to get the truth out why isn't he on the show? That part goes completely unchallenged. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I read the book wrecking crew about it and though you are only hearing the prosecution's case it is very compelling. One thing is certain there is no way the murder could of happened the way it did in brendans confession. Given that the confession was a major reason for conviction having no retrial is just wrong.

[Captain Turdseye]

7 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Mrs is well into this. I took her to the Lowry last week for a Q&A with the lawyers while I sat in the bar. I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

 

After the second series, every time I walked into a room Mrs Turdseye would be listening to one podcast or another to do with how much of a bastard Ken Kratz is. 

[Dr Nowt]

2 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

 

After the second series, every time I walked into a room Mrs Turdseye would be listening to one podcast or another to do with how much of a bastard Ken Kratz is. 

That never struck me as something which required a huge amount of digging around on.

 

Pretty much any video footage of him lasting around 10 seconds provides fairly compelling evidence.

[VladimirIlyich]

The whole thing goes back to the old saying of 'Follow the money.' The money was going to go to Avery after his first wrongful conviction and would have bankrupt the whole department and the cop's pensions. They would do anything to protect that and the fact that Avery didn't leave the state when released played right into their hands. I think the killer was somebody close to the girl and they half knew Avery could be put in the frame for it. I don't think the cops would have needed much persuasion either.

[Saintslfc13]

13 hours ago, Section_31 said:

...I've little sympathy for buck toothed Trumpville Elmer Fuddalikes, be they guilty or not. 

 

Ironically enough that kind of sentiment from the coasts and most major cities is exactly why Trump got elected. The continuation (and one might even say proliferation) of it is why, despite all the bullshit around him he’ll still have a legitimate chance at re-election provided he doesn’t resign or be removed from office for legal reasons.

[Saintslfc13]

After the first season I thought Tadych knew more than he was letting on. I just don’t trust something about that guy. Bobby Dassey with the pictures on his computer and some pretty out there porn is suspect too as he certainly had the means and the time.

 

As someone else said there’s simply no way the murder happened as Brendan said it did and that’s been clear, for me anyway, since season 1. Season 2 only confirms that whilst also creating more questions in the prosecutions case.

[General Dryness]

The nonsense starts with Dasseys confession that has the victim being slashed to bits in a room without leaving a single trace of DNA behind.

 

Kind of casts doubt on the rest of the case really.

[VladimirIlyich]

2 minutes ago, General Dryness said:

The nonsense starts with Dasseys confession that has the victim being slashed to bits in a room without leaving a single trace of DNA behind.

 

Kind of casts doubt on the rest of the case really.

They created a scenario of a murder and planted evidence to fit the scenario. The interview with Brendan Dassey was absolutely coerced and anybody without a psychology degree could see how the interviewer was guiding him through a story,planting words and letting Dassey fill in his gaps in the story. The female defence lawyer tore the prosecution to shreds,even if some of her scenarios were a bit far fetched.