Summer 2013 Transfer Thread

[fowler9]

Banega to Southampton looks a possibility, building a decent team there

[Ne Moe Imya]

This from Neil Jones from the Echo from a liveblog thing. Suarez's contract clause is a complex one. A clause does exist, but it iis not one which would force Liverpool to sell, only to negotiate. Sounds a bit strange, but I'm told that it is pretty standard. The 'negotiation fee' is in excess of £40m.

 

I admit that this whole thing with the negotiation clause is a complete mystery to me.

 

Can Suarez put additional pressure on us to sell him if we only "negotiate" in name only (i.e. demand 100 million or something)? If not, what use is a clause that doesn't force a sale? Surely when a club submits an offer we're already "negotiating" with them, even if we just come back and say "double it or lose our phone number." Does it mean we have to sit down in a room for a certain number of time, or accept a minimum of 4 phone calls lasting no shorter than 10 minutes, or what? I realise these are all ridiculous, but I just don't get it.

 

It must mean something, because it's apparently put into many contracts, I just don't understand what it means if it's not binding. Can someone enlighten me?

[milky]

I admit that this whole thing with the negotiation clause is a complete mystery to me.

 

Can Suarez put additional pressure on us to sell him if we only "negotiate" in name only (i.e. demand 100 million or something)? If not, what use is a clause that doesn't force a sale? Surely when a club submits an offer we're already "negotiating" with them, even if we just come back and say "double it or lose our phone number." Does it mean we have to sit down in a room for a certain number of time, or accept a minimum of 4 phone calls lasting no shorter than 10 minutes, or what? I realise these are all ridiculous, but I just don't get it.

 

It must mean something, because it's apparently put into many contracts, I just don't understand what it means if it's not binding. Can someone enlighten me?

 

I think it simply means that Suarez' clause is one where if a certain figure is bid, we are obliged to look at it and decide whether to accept it or not (thus ending the negotiations at that time or advance talks), rather than one where if the clause is met, it's immediately accepted then left up to the player to decide what to do, which seems to the case in most of these clauses.

 

If true, the club have played that one pretty smartly.

[Ne Moe Imya]

That's what I mean, though. It doesn't seem to benefit Suarez in any way, so why put it in the contract?

 

If he tells us "I want to go to Real, and they've bid more than the amount in the contract, so you have to negotiate with them" it doesn't seem there's anything stopping us from simply listening to them and then going back to Suarez and saying "Well, they didn't offer enough so you're not moving." If that's all there is to it then I don't see the point of the clause.

 

You're right, though, in that if that is all it is, it's not really a threat to us in any way.

[fowler9]

I got the impression that if that figure is met Suarez is allowed to speak to them but we haven't accepted the bid, which is a bit pointless as tapping up definately goes on anyway so he'd speak to them regardless

[TheHowieLama]

If true, the club have played that one pretty smartly.

 

Quite.

[Garrincha]

Banega to Southampton looks a possibility, building a decent team there

 

Wow thats a great signing, if it goes through.

[Guest San Don]

That's what I mean, though. It doesn't seem to benefit Suarez in any way, so why put it in the contract?

 

If he tells us "I want to go to Real, and they've bid more than the amount in the contract, so you have to negotiate with them" it doesn't seem there's anything stopping us from simply listening to them and then going back to Suarez and saying "Well, they didn't offer enough so you're not moving." If that's all there is to it then I don't see the point of the clause.

 

You're right, though, in that if that is all it is, it's not really a threat to us in any way.

 

You're missing the point.

 

The contract clause will be written so a club cant just say to LFC 'oh, we'll bid £40m, can we now speak to Suarez, please?' but have no intention of paying £40m or anything like it.

 

Once a club has shown this isnt just talk, Liverpool would \ could then turn round and say in the current market, bale is being touted at £80m+, cavani at £50m+ etc, we consider Suarez is equal to those so we're not prepared to sell for less than £60m. Are you willing to pay that? No? Fuck off then!

 

From Suarez's point of view, he may have wanted a 'sale at' clause in the contract but the club likely said no, but we'll agree this clause which commits us to talk to a club and will give you this pay rise if you sign.

 

Suarez would hope that any club meeting the criteria could force Liverpool to the negotiating table and accept a bid when the club plus his agent and himself all start to chip in with what they want etc, etc.

 

That's what he gets out of it. No doubt he also hoped LFC could qualify for the CL so would see it as a 'win \ win' whichever way it turned out.

[milky]

That's what I mean, though. It doesn't seem to benefit Suarez in any way, so why put it in the contract?

 

If he tells us "I want to go to Real, and they've bid more than the amount in the contract, so you have to negotiate with them" it doesn't seem there's anything stopping us from simply listening to them and then going back to Suarez and saying "Well, they didn't offer enough so you're not moving." If that's all there is to it then I don't see the point of the clause.

 

You're right, though, in that if that is all it is, it's not really a threat to us in any way.

 

Think you've kind of answered your own question there, mate, it doesn't benefit Suarez, and nor should it. We nearly lost Reina a few years ago when his clause became public knowledge and there would've been nothing we could've done, he would've been gone (lest we forget he wouldn't rule out the Mancs-albeit under the Owl and it looked desperate).

 

This time, on the surface at least, it looks as if the club left themselves in a more powerful position regarding the negotiating. It must have been inserted last year. Suppose none of us wanted to think that within a year it would be tested, but at least we hold a lot of the cards, which definitely hasn't always been the case in recent times.

[Gym Beglin]

Banega to Southampton looks a possibility, building a decent team there

 

Jealous.

[thompsonsnose]

You're missing the point.

 

The contract clause will be written so a club cant just say to LFC 'oh, we'll bid £40m, can we now speak to Suarez, please?' but have no intention of paying £40m or anything like it.

 

Once a club has shown this isnt just talk, Liverpool would \ could then turn round and say in the current market, bale is being touted at £80m+, cavani at £50m+ etc, we consider Suarez is equal to those so we're not prepared to sell for less than £60m. Are you willing to pay that? No? Fuck off then!

 

From Suarez's point of view, he may have wanted a 'sale at' clause in the contract but the club likely said no, but we'll agree this clause which commits us to talk to a club and will give you this pay rise if you sign.

 

Suarez would hope that any club meeting the criteria could force Liverpool to the negotiating table and accept a bid when the club plus his agent and himself all start to chip in with what they want etc, etc.

 

That's what he gets out of it. No doubt he also hoped LFC could qualify for the CL so would see it as a 'win \ win' whichever way it turned out.

 

He owes us another season.

The little shit.

[milky]

Think Banega had gone off the boil a good bit last year. He turned up drunk at training too and got sent home, which tends to be frowned upon.

[WhiskeyJar]

Dortmund are close to signing Christian Eriksen from Ajax.

 

Done deal on some of the rumor sites.

 

Ajax are firming up a deal for his replacement in Maher.

[MLB]

So if Dortmund are signing Eriksen I guess that makes us favourites for Mkhitaryan.

 

I hope so anyway.

[WhiskeyJar]

Sorry lads more rumors not confirmed, but Luis Alberto is to sign a 4 year deal on Wednesday.

[Lario]

With us or Barca?

[WhiskeyJar]

With us or Barca?

 

Us.

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

Sorry lads more rumors not confirmed, but Luis Alberto is to sign a 4 year deal on Wednesday.

 

Says who?

 

If we believe the rumours on Alberto, then we've agreed a fee with Sevilla every day for the past week.

[fowler9]

I don't know anything about Alberto but it seems a relatively high fee for a player with a handful of appearances for Sevilla, is he expected to compete for a first team place?

[WhiskeyJar]

Like I said, all rumors that should be taken with a pinch of salt.

[Lario]

Us.

 

Good.

 

Next.

[Whelan]

Alberto, Mignolet, Ilori and Mkhitaryan - bit unheard of this, Liverpool being organised and confident. Not sure who the centre half is going to be, maybe Skrtel will stay? Who would be third choice?

[MLB]

We appear to be close to signing Spanish "wonderkid" Pedro Chirivella. Supposed to be very good.

[Jhinge Machha]

We appear to be close to signing Spanish "wonderkid" Pedro Chirivella. Supposed to be very good.

 

he has a name of a world class player. we should get him.

[Whelan]

Where's the big cunt who can play midfield and spends the majority of the match kicking fuck out of the opposition. That is what I want.