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Come on. The Greens, who I admittedly, unfairly, described as arseholes are totally committed to the environment. To the exclusion of anything else regardless of how sensible it may be.

 

Do you want to tell me some of these sensible ideas that damage the environment?

 

It's pretty sensible that all your decisions about home improvement should come with the basic rider of "Not destroying the house".

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Come on. The Greens, who I admittedly, unfairly, described as arseholes are totally committed to the environment. To the exclusion of anything else regardless of how sensible it may be.

 

Completely untrue. They've been among the loudest voices against austerity, welfare cuts, housing shortages, NHS reforms and privatisation of public services, providing the kind of real opposition that Labour should have but is too shit scared to. Anyone who's taken just a few minutes to check them out at any time over the last three years would be aware of this.

 

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Come on. The Greens, who I admittedly, unfairly, described as arseholes are totally committed to the environment. To the exclusion of anything else regardless of how sensible it may be.

On the face of it,this is how it looks to me but,I imagine there is more to them. I feel they need to get a broader range of their policies into the public domain.

The environment is a very important part of the future of all countries but without other policies on employment,education,health etc,its not enough on its own to tempt voters to support them.

There are larger Green Parties all across Europe and represented in the EU Parliament too so with the right publicity more positive things can happen.

Like all walks of life though financial backing is needed and not many businesses are prepared to do something which might actually harm their own firms.

Unions switching to backing Green candidates is a possibility as its already happened in some cases.

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For what it is worth I actually like the Greens. They seem down to earth sensible and honest. However the very fact that saving the planet, not just the whale, is a their very core makes them lack the necessary pragmatism necessary for government. To me they are a valuable voice who should be listened to in area where they have particular relevance. Not as a mainstream political party.

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For what it is worth I actually like the Greens. They seem down to earth sensible and honest. However the very fact that saving the planet, not just the whale, is a their very core makes they lack the necessary pragmatism necessary for government. To me thay are a vaulable voice who should be listened to in area where they have particular relevance. Not as a mainstream political party.

 

It would be funny to have them in power though, if only to see how many milliseconds it takes them to reverse their opposition to nuclear power.

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For what it is worth I actually like the Greens. They seem down to earth sensible and honest. However the very fact that saving the planet, not just the whale, is a their very core makes them lack the necessary pragmatism necessary for government. To me they are a valuable voice who should be listened to in area where they have particular relevance. Not as a mainstream political party.

So, you don't think making sure that the planet is habitable for humans is a pragmatic approach?

 

Besides, as has been pointed out, they've got a lot of good stuff about social justice and progressive economic policies that don't set the country against itself (the way all the adherents of austerity do).

 

I don't consider policies that enrich a tiny minority by impoverishing millions, whilst fucking up the place we live, to be that pragmatic.

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So, you don't think making sure that the planet is habitable for humans is a pragmatic approach?

 

Besides, as has been pointed out, they've got a lot of good stuff about social justice and progressive economic policies that don't set the country against itself (the way all the adherents of austerity do).

 

I don't consider policies that enrich a tiny minority by impoverishing millions, whilst fucking up the place we live, to be that pragmatic.

It is the only approach to secure the future of human civilisation - but hopefully that is obvious to anyone Green or otherwise. But surely what is required must be a global movement not a unilateral one?

 

Other than that they are an agenda driven gang of fruitcakes.

 

Their manifesto policy on both Education and Health runs to a total of 122 (I will concede if anyone counts differently +/- 10 ) words. And that is it in it's entirety. For BOTH. 122 words. Two huge government departments employing well over a million people and the Greens can fix it with 122 words. Please don't try to present them as a credible political party because they are nowhere near.

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I'd say the Greens are politically closest to what I read on this forum every day. The idea that there is an easy solution to fixing everything, and it involves not cutting anything, spending a fortune, introducing punitive taxation and stifling the market... that sort of thing.

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I'd be interested to see your vision of the future and how you think it could be achieved. Obviously I don't expect you to have this fully formed plan. But I'd be interested to see how making poorer people poorer and richer people insanely richer alongside damaging the planet with no thought to future consequences is the common sense approach . How does putting every aspect of life into private hands improve our future or democracy when corporations fully take over. Seems like in this free market we have the bigger fish eating the smaller fish until eventually we are left with one big giant fucking scary fish with nothing left to eat but us.

 

I don't see raiding the pockets of those it's easiest to take from, selling their stuff yet stil borrowing more yourself than anyone has before makes someone smart as opposed to damn right unethical and thinking only short term. Pandering to greed over common sense pandering to greed over the general well being of the populace is why this country is slowly but surely getting worse and worse. I guess everyone lives their own vision of how they see the country as it is, the world is viewed through our own little letter boxes I see the social aspect of society degrading and my personal belief is it's the social aspect that improves the quality of life for every body rich and poor. I don't like this future vision of segregation through wealth and job security a country of gated communities.

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I'd say the Greens are politically closest to what I read on this forum every day. The idea that there is an easy solution to fixing everything, and it involves not cutting anything, spending a fortune, introducing punitive taxation and stifling the market... that sort of thing.

I negged that by accident, apologies. I'd ask someone to even it up but can't see it happening.

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I'd say the Greens are politically closest to what I read on this forum every day. The idea that there is an easy solution to fixing everything, and it involves not cutting anything, spending a fortune, introducing punitive taxation and stifling the market... that sort of thing.

 

If only everybody else wasn't so bloody stupid, eh?

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I'd say the Greens are politically closest to what I read on this forum every day. The idea that there is an easy solution to fixing everything, and it involves not cutting anything, spending a fortune, introducing punitive taxation and stifling the market... that sort of thing.

Of course.

I mean what good would making corporations and the small group of multi millionaires who basically set government policy pay their taxes in the same way ordinary people do?

It wouldnt strengthen the NHS,raise educational standards to the ignorant masses or stimulate the economy and have people spending again and protecting and creating jobs.

How stupid we all are? It cant be me of course.

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I'd be interested to see your vision of the future and how you think it could be achieved. Obviously I don't expect you to have this fully formed plan. But I'd be interested to see how making poorer people poorer and richer people insanely richer alongside damaging the planet with no thought to future consequences is the common sense approach . How does putting every aspect of life into private hands improve our future or democracy when corporations fully take over. Seems like in this free market we have the bigger fish eating the smaller fish until eventually we are left with one big giant fucking scary fish with nothing left to eat but us.

 

I don't see raiding the pockets of those it's easiest to take from, selling their stuff yet stil borrowing more yourself than anyone has before makes someone smart as opposed to damn right unethical and thinking only short term. Pandering to greed over common sense pandering to greed over the general well being of the populace is why this country is slowly but surely getting worse and worse. I guess everyone lives their own vision of how they see the country as it is, the world is viewed through our own little letter boxes I see the social aspect of society degrading and my personal belief is it's the social aspect that improves the quality of life for every body rich and poor. I don't like this future vision of segregation through wealth and job security a country of gated communities.

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Wouldn't object at all to them being involved in areas where they have specialist interest. Fracking for example but I wouldn't want them negotiating with someone like Putin when he has his eye on invading Shetland.

Yeah - luckily we've got William fucking Hague to put Putin in his place.

 

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