Racism

[Dr Nowt]

Was Michael Jackson anti-Semitic? 
 

I thought he just rustled kids.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

1 minute ago, Dr Nowt said:

Was Michael Jackson anti-Semitic? 
 

I thought he just rustled kids.

 

He didn't fuck Jewish kids though.

[Dr Nowt]

Just now, Babb'sBurstNad said:

 

He didn't fuck Jewish kids though.

Finally, the smoking gun.

[Bjornebye]

I will give Baddiel his due, I can see why he wants to distance himself from Israel

 

Op-Ed: Netanyahu's return to power with a coalition of racists is appalling. But the problem runs deeper - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

 

FYI This is written by a Jewish History Teacher:

 

The apparent return of Benjamin Netanyahu to power in Israel is a gut punch to people concerned about the state of democracy and the rule of law in the world. Netanyahu has been a key pillar in the global movement of illiberal leaders who have taken control and altered the rules of the democratic game — including in Turkey, Hungary and the United States in the Trump era.

During his 12 years in power from 2009 to 2021, Netanyahu lashed out at the media and political enemies, consistently attacked the Israeli judiciary (while under indictment and on trial), and promoted a version of majoritarianism intended to enshrine Jewish supremacy as a constitutional principle.

And now, in his new term as prime minister, he will sit in a government with Itamar Ben-Gvir, the avowed disciple of the hate-filled racist Meir Kahane, and Bezalel Smotrich, a rabidly anti-LGBTQ rabble-rouser. The fact that Netanyahu, together with these allies, will form a government with as many as 65 seats in the Knesset represents not an aberration but the clear will of the people.

 

A majority of Israel’s Jewish population — about 62% — identifies as right-wing, which is a sharp increase from 46% in 2019. Especially depressing is that young Israeli Jews (70%) are more right-wing than older Israeli Jews. Ben-Gvir received a rapturous reception from young Israeli Jews across the country, including in reliably liberal Tel Aviv. And this was not the result of external forces such as a war or a third intifada. Instead, it reflects sustained political efforts to promote a doctrine of Jewish supremacy — and larger global right-leaning populist trends.

In Israel, as in many countries around the world, the very idea of Western-style liberal democracy is under assault by those who — like Viktor Orban in Hungary, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Recep Tayyip Erdogan in Turkey, Narenda Modi in India, Giorgia Meloni in Italy and, of course, Donald Trump — champion the idea of “illiberal democracy,” in which the majority rules with little or no consideration for the rights of minorities or the rule of law. It is easy to despair in the face of the success of these politicians and their many millions of supporters.

To many in the U.S. who have committed much time and effort to supporting a progressive vision of Israel, this is a day of reckoning.

 

 

Israel is not what our parents and grandparents imagined it could be — a workable balance of a haven for Jews and an enlightened, egalitarian society. The problem was not born with the latest election nor in the Netanyahu era more generally. It runs much deeper. Israel has maintained an illegal and immoral occupation of Palestinian land since 1967. And it has never reconciled its self-definition as a Jewish state with its professed desire to offer full equality to all its citizens, especially its large Arab minority, which makes up a fifth of the population.

As an antidote to paralysis, it is important to recognize that this week’s election results, like all election results, are transitory — a snapshot in time, not a final destination. Even in the Israeli case, it turns out that just shy of 50% voted against the Netanyahu coalition. Despite the growing right-wing tendencies of Israeli Jews, the outcome could well have been different had a number of small parties on the left joined forces to pass the minimum threshold of votes. But the path forward will require a new approach to Israeli politics — and in fact, a new vision of Israel, one that rests on the principle of Arab-Jewish partnership.

The Israel of the future must turn away from the ugly face of Jewish supremacy that is ascendant today. This means that although Israel can and should remain a homeland for Jews, it must not be, as the 2019 Nation-State Law declared, exclusively so. It also must be a homeland for Palestinians who have lived in the land for centuries. In addition, it must acknowledge the searing pain of displacement and exile that Israel’s establishment brought upon Palestinians in 1948, as well as the ongoing dehumanization of the occupation that began in 1967. And it must commit to full political, social and economic enfranchisement of Arab citizens of the country.

 

 

It is almost forgotten that the last government formed in Israel last year included an Arab party as part of the coalition — the first time an independent Arab party did so in Israel’s history. This kind of event must become the norm rather than the exception. This will require crafting out of the detritus of the collapsed left and center-left in Israel a new political partnership based not on the self-interest of Jews or Arabs but the shared future of both. This is an ideal that all who care about the well-being of that sacred and cursed land should support.

In the meantime, we can no longer sugarcoat an unacceptable reality. Jews in this country, and particularly Jewish communal leaders, should refuse to meet with Israeli politicians who are unabashed racists. And we should no longer tolerate — or provide a blank check to — the illegal settlement project and the occupation that many observers have called an Israeli version of apartheid.

Just as friends don’t let friends drive drunk, so we must tell our Israel friends and cousins that enough is enough. We cannot stand idly by when the state continues to deprive Palestinians of full rights nor when its leaders take aim at leftists, LGBTQ people and African asylum seekers — all in violation of the very ideals of “liberty, justice, and peace” declared in Israel’s Proclamation of Independence.

 

 

David N. Myers teaches Jewish history at UCLA and is president of the New Israel Fund. Daniel Sokatch is the CEO of the New Israel Fund.

[Gnasher]

Speaking of which, 

 

 

 

 

[Strontium]

9 minutes ago, Dr Nowt said:

Was Michael Jackson anti-Semitic? 
 

I thought he just rustled kids.

 

Well, he was supposed to be best man at Uri Geller's wedding, but he turned up late. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

28 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Was Shakespeare anti-semitic? 

Good question. Was his portrayal of Shylock intended to show how badly Jews get treated in a racist society, or was he just portraying a stereotypical money-grabber?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Good question. Was his portrayal of Shylock intended to show how badly Jews get treated in a racist society, or was he just portraying a stereotypical money-grabber?

 

Possibly both. I suspect a Jewish person would be better to judge than us. 

[Strontium]

I think it's a testament to Shakespeare's genius that people are still asking the question centuries later. FWIW, I come down on the sympathetic side.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Has Ian Lavery Junior got a book out about racism???? 

 

Anyone????? 

 

[No2]

9 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Is it racist to have not known that most of these celebrities mentioned were Jewish?

Stig mentioned loads a few pages back and a few others followed up with more, I reckon I knew 2 of them were Jewish, I reckon like most normal people I  never considerd what religion any of them were. I just Googled the 50 highest earning actors and guess what, bar the ones with Italian names (who I assume are Catholic) I haven't a clue what religion any of them are.

 

It should be noted I haven't heard of half of them.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

26 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hang on jews, had jobs closed off to them in the States???? I mean I know black people did up until very recently but Jews? Is there any truth in that? Genuinely asking. I don't expect Strontz to respond because he doesn't when scrutinised but anyone else?

 

I mean I found thisL

 

Summary

Between 1881 and 1924, when federal immigration restrictions were introduced, two and half million Jews from East Europe entered the United States. Approximately half of them settled in New York City where they soon comprised the largest Jewish settlement in the world. The Lower East Side, where families crowded into tenements, became the densest place on the globe. Possessing few skills, Jewish immigrants took jobs with which they had some prior familiarity as peddlers and as workers in the burgeoning garment and textile industries. With the rise of clothing as a mass consumer good, the garment industry emerged as the leading industrial sector in the city. Jewish workers predominated in it. But conditions of sweated labor in shops and factories propelled worker protest. A Jewish labor movement sprung up, energized by the arrival of socialist radicals in the labor Bund. Women workers played a major role in organizing the Jewish working class, spearheading a series of major strikes between 1909 and 1911. These women also staged “meat riots” over inflated beef prices in 1902 and “rent wars” in the early 1930s. To be sure, garment work and the labor movement also shaped the experience of Jewish immigrants in cities such as Baltimore, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Boston. Jews notably worked in other apparel industries, but the alternative for many (especially in small cities without a garment industry) was peddling and shopkeeping. Self-employed, but situated within and integrated in the working-class community, both sectors reflected the nontraditional nature of the Jewish working class. Jewish peddlers and petty shopkeepers increasingly morphed in a second generation into a middle class in higher status white-collar work. But despite this mobility, Yiddishkeit, a vibrant Jewish working-class culture of Jewish proletarian theater, folk choruses, journalism, education, housing, and recreation, which was particularly nourished by Bundists, flourished and carried a rich legacy forward in the postwar era.

 

Jewish Working Class in America | Oxford Research Encyclopedia of American History

 

 

 

I don't know whether there was the legal structure designed to exclude Jewish people, as there was with Black people, but there was certainly long-standing and widespread discrimination in employment, housing, access to services and leisure, etc.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, No2 said:

Stig mentioned loads a few pages back and a few others followed up with more, I reckon I knew 2 of them were Jewish, I reckon like most normal people I  never considerd what religion any of them were. I just Googled the 50 highest earning actors and guess what, bar the ones with Italian names (who I assume are Catholic) I haven't a clue what religion any of them are.

 

It should be noted I haven't heard of half of them.

 

Are you suggesting that Steven Seagal doesn't look like a "typical" Buddhist? Because it fucking sounds that way to me sunshine 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't know whether there was the legal structure designed to exclude Jewish people, as there was with Black people, but there was certainly long-standing and widespread discrimination in employment, housing, access to services and leisure, etc.

 

Similar to Catholics in Northern Ireland and Palestinians in Israel then. Humanity is a cunt. 

[No2]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

 

Are you suggesting that Steven Seagal doesn't look like a "typical" Buddhist? Because it fucking sounds that way to me sunshine 

I'm saying I didn't Google the top earners in 1988.

[Captain Turdseye]

Just now, No2 said:

Stig mentioned loads a few pages back and a few others followed up with more, I reckon I knew 2 of them were Jewish, I reckon like most normal people I  never considerd what religion any of them were. I just Googled the 50 highest earning actors and guess what, bar the ones with Italian names (who I assume are Catholic) I haven't a clue what religion any of them are.

 

It should be noted I haven't heard of half of them.

It never even crossed my mind that David Schwimmer was Jewish. Now I’ve read he is, I guess his surname could have been a bit of a hint, but I’d honestly never thought about it. 

[No2]

Just now, Captain Turdseye said:

It never even crossed my mind that David Schwimmer was Jewish. Now I’ve read he is, I guess his surname could have been a bit of a hint, but I’d honestly never thought about it. 

I wouldn't have known David Baddiel was a jew if he hadn't of written a book.

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, No2 said:

Stig mentioned loads a few pages back and a few others followed up with more, I reckon I knew 2 of them were Jewish, I reckon like most normal people I  never considerd what religion any of them were. I just Googled the 50 highest earning actors and guess what, bar the ones with Italian names (who I assume are Catholic) I haven't a clue what religion any of them are.

 

It should be noted I haven't heard of half of them.

 

sighs

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, No2 said:

I'm saying I didn't Google the top earners in 1988.

 

 

1 minute ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It never even crossed my mind that David Schwimmer was Jewish. Now I’ve read he is, I guess his surname could have been a bit of a hint, but I’d honestly never thought about it. 

 

The holiday armadillo didn't give it away? 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, No2 said:

I wouldn't have known David Baddiel was a jew if he hadn't of written a book.

 

I always thought he was black 

[Strontium]

2 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

It never even crossed my mind that David Schwimmer was Jewish. Now I’ve read he is, I guess his surname could have been a bit of a hint, but I’d honestly never thought about it. 

 

Schwimmer, never. You'll be telling me that Moshe Weinberger is Jewish next.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

 

I always thought he was black 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

12 minutes ago, No2 said:

 I just Googled the 50 highest earning actors and guess what, bar the ones with Italian names (who I assume are Catholic) I haven't a clue what religion any of them are.

 

 

The greatest TV character in history the great Italian American George Costanza was created by two Jewish fellas, based on one of the Jewish fellas and played, ironically by a Jewish fella.

Can you throw the Italians a bone??

[Captain Turdseye]

2 minutes ago, Strontium said:

 

Schwimmer, never. You'll be telling me that Moshe Weinberger is Jewish next.

See, I haven’t got a fucking clue what you’re talking about. Just googled it. So Schwimmer is a German name? I’ve got no idea. I’ve just outed myself as a racist again. 

[TheHowieLama]

10 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't know whether there was the legal structure designed to exclude Jewish people, as there was with Black people, but there was certainly long-standing and widespread discrimination in employment, housing, access to services and leisure, etc.

 

It happened to every wave of immigrants.