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Do you agree with euthanasia?

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Rico1304
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Christ, you kill a few hundred pensioners a year and it's all I'm remembered for. What about my art, love of cats, moussaka? No, it's always the bodies.

Strontium
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If you believe that individuals have sovereignty over their own bodies, then there isn't really a coherent argument against it.   Opposition typically comes from those who believe we are mere pawns

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A very special relative on the Irish side of the family will be lost to us over this weekend.    As a very large Irish family he was always called my ‘Great Uncle Mike’ although that was just b

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lifetime fan Grand Master

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The UK will cross a "legal and ethical Rubicon" if the law on assisted suicide in England and Wales is changed, the Archbishop of Canterbury has said.

MPs are due to debate the Assisted Dying Bill, which would allow doctors to help terminally ill patients to die in some circumstances, on Friday.

But Justin Welby said the bill would mean suicide was "actively supported" instead of being viewed as a tragedy.

He and other faith leaders have issued a joint letter urging MPs to reject it.

'Compassionate approach'

Writing in the Observer, the archbishop said he and the heads of other Christian, Jewish, Muslim and Sikh groups believed the bill went beyond "merely legitimising suicide to actively supporting it".

He said asking doctors to aid suicide would be "a change of monumental proportions both in the law and in the role of doctors".

"This respect for the lives of others goes to the heart of both our criminal and human rights laws and ought not to be abandoned," the archbishop said.

"I agree that the law should take a considered and compassionate approach to caring relatives who are asked by those closest to them to help bring their lives to an end.

"To change the law, however, to give individuals access to medically prescribed lethal drugs risks replacing the type of personal compassion that is forged in a life-time relationship for a 'process' marked by clinical and judicial detachment."

The archbishop said a change in the law would place thousands of vulnerable people at risk.

Informed decision

The private members' bill set to be debated on Friday was put forward by Rob Marris, the Labour MP for Wolverhampton South West.

It is almost identical to a bill presented by former Lord Chancellor Lord Falconer, which passed its initial legislative stages in the House of Lords last year before running out of parliamentary time.

The archbishop argued against the previous bill calling it "mistaken and dangerous" and he pressed for an inquiry into assisted suicide.

The official position is that the Church of England is opposed to assisted dying but Lord Carey, the former archbishop of Canterbury, has argued in favour of a change in the law.

According to the campaign group Dignity in Dying, at least 35 people from the UK went to the Dignitas organisation in Switzerland to end their lives last year.

The Assisted Dying Bill, if passed, would allow doctors to prescribe a lethal drug dose to terminally ill patients in England and Wales who are deemed to have less than six months to live.

Two independent doctors would be required to agree that the patient had made an informed decision to die.

The bill does not allow for assisted suicide when the patient is not terminally ill, nor for voluntary euthanasia, where a doctor administers the lethal medication.

In Scotland MSPs rejected the Assisted Suicide Scotland Bill by 82 votes to 36 following a debate in May.

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We dont let animals suffer the way we do people. There needs to be checks and balances to stop unscrupulous relatives, care homes and other institutions for pushing ahead with it for their own benefit. If you've ever seen a parent succome to a disease such as cancer etc, you'd relieve them of their misery soon enough.

It's always worth waiting to see what the treatment options are first though, mate

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Was thinking of bumping this thread on Wednesday after I visited Nan with me dad.

 

She's completely lost the plot, can never remember where she has left anything so accuses the home staff of stealing everything. Because of this she hides everything and can't remember where she's hid it so then accuses them of stealing yet more stuff. 

 

Having seen 3 grandparents suffer with dementia, my ol fella having shown symptoms for the last 10 years and thinking I'll probably go down that route too I'd love to be able to have a living will.

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Was thinking of bumping this thread on Wednesday after I visited Nan with me dad.

 

She's completely lost the plot, can never remember where she has left anything so accuses the home staff of stealing everything. Because of this she hides everything and can't remember where she's hid it so then accuses them of stealing yet more stuff. 

 

Having seen 3 grandparents suffer with dementia, my ol fella having shown symptoms for the last 10 years and thinking I'll probably go down that route too I'd love to be able to have a living will.

 

 

Sorry to hear that mate, I hope she's found safe and well.

 

It's a tough one. My father in law has dementia, he only shows very slight signs which you can't really notice unless you're with him all the time, but the thought of losing the man slowly is horrible. That being said, I do sometimes wonder what if they find a cure?  Wouldn't it be amazing if something is developed and all those people in homes at the moment can just be given a tablet one day and wake up normal. Pie in the sky maybe I don't know.

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Nan has been found safe and well.

 

She was walking down the middle of a main road though.

Unfortunately your Nan has gone past the point of no return in terms of her being able to make a sane decision on whether or not she wants to live. It’s hard as family members seeing someone who you love and care about declining.

 

My grandad had early onset dementia. (Picks disease) and ended up being the longest surging patient ever of the disease the bloody prick. It’s heart breaking, especially as a young adult seeing someone you love die in front of your eyes in their head.

 

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