Penalties - Decisions - This season

[WhiteBlackWhite]

If the free-kick had been taken from where the 'offence' took place, as where the ball was originally placed, then Arsenal's wall would've been three maybe four yards inside their penalty area and it's a stonewall penalty, no discussion. Fabregas 'rolls' the ball to his advantage at free-kicks all the time and he was at it again last night. At the free-kick in question Webb allowed him to pick it up and roll it a few yards further back, after which it only moved forward another yard before being taken. As Rafa says, it's the small details, but that's what maybe cost us a point last night.

[old skool tom]

ffs we sound like the blue shite and skeletor

 

sit happens in football

[Bob]

ffs we sound like the blue shite and skeletor

 

sit happens in football

 

GET OUT

 

[Bogman]

ffs we sound like the blue shite and skeletor

 

sit happens in football

 

 

So moaning about the ref not doing his job correctly is wrong then.

 

Fine, I'll go away and moan about Rafa then instead. :whoops:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but refereeing is still part of the game, and once again we've been the victim of a poor decision.

A decision that has turned a hard earned result into a hard game with no end result mainly due to another poor decision.

 

The point of this thread is about our bad luck over the course of the season. Nothing more, nothing less, games where, like last night, we've had points robbed from us by forces out of our control.

But then again, this doesn't fit peoples agenda, does it.

 

So, I'll blame it fairly and squarely at the feet of Rafael Benitez.

Bound to be his fault, by default.

[dirty_sanchez]

Are we talking any key decisions? Surely Fellaini not getting sent off counts then, as does Pienaar.

[Bogman]

yes, yes we are.

[goatboy59]

 

"Now spit it out, there's a good boy"

[Stu Monty]

The Lucas one against Stoke wasn't a penalty. Not even close. He was diving already as the challenge came in and had no intention of taking another step. First person to say that a defender trying to tackle someone is "asking for it" gets negged to fuckery for their remaining years on TLW.

[JohnnyH]

Penalty against Birmingham (home)

 

I'm not really going to get into the rest of the "unlucky" stuff as I can't be arsed, but I do want to mention this, as it annoys me.

 

The Birmingham penalty was a penalty. Carlsley came sliding across and completely missed the ball and blocked off Ngog. Had Ngog kept running in a straight line he would have run into Carlsley and could not have got to the ball because of Carlsleys big sliding shitty tackle. The fact Ngog is shit at diving doesn't make it any less of a penalty. It was a stonewaller.

[aws]

The Lucas one against Stoke wasn't a penalty. Not even close. He was diving already as the challenge came in and had no intention of taking another step. First person to say that a defender trying to tackle someone is "asking for it" gets negged to fuckery for their remaining years on TLW.

 

Not for you this thread. It's for scientific purposes. Not suited to anyone with a quasi-religious belief that there is no such thing as a justified penalty.

[Lucky Pierre]

The no pen on Crouch was the right decision. Crouch comitted the initial foul. I haven't seen last nights yet but it's not where his foot was, it's where the ball first made contact with his hand.

[dirty_sanchez]

 

"Now spit it out, there's a good boy"

 

Is that Gary Glitter's voice from out of shot?

[goatboy59]

So on the original assessment of bold = wrong decision, the 'two' rather begrudgingly agreed incorrect decisions for us were in fact correct?

 

Leaving the 8 against us all in bold all incorrect?

 

Coming 5 days after laughing at Everton, this is just priceless.

[Stu Monty]

Not for you this thread. It's for scientific purposes. Not suited to anyone with a quasi-religious belief that there is no such thing as a justified penalty.

 

I bare the scars that only a defender can truly have. Years of shithouses going down from fuck-all and manipulating contact from nothing.

 

We are now at a point in the development of the game where diving is seen as the done thing. "Well, if you are going to attempt to tackle him then clearly you fully deserve to have him dive on the floor like a sloppy turd".

 

Sometimes, the anger, it rises so fast.

[aws]

I bare the scars that only a defender can truly have. Years of shithouses going down from fuck-all and manipulating contact from nothing.

 

We are now at a point in the development of the game where diving is seen as the done thing. "Well, if you are going to attempt to tackle him then clearly you fully deserve to have him dive on the floor like a sloppy turd".

 

Sometimes, the anger, it rises so fast.

 

Monty is the new Gillespie.

[Stu Monty]

Monty is the new Gillespie.

 

Which one?

 

http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/forum/ff-football-forum/47145-gary-gillespie-president.html

[old skool tom]

So moaning about the ref not doing his job correctly is wrong then.

 

Fine, I'll go away and moan about Rafa then instead. :whoops:

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but refereeing is still part of the game, and once again we've been the victim of a poor decision.

A decision that has turned a hard earned result into a hard game with no end result mainly due to another poor decision.

 

The point of this thread is about our bad luck over the course of the season. Nothing more, nothing less, games where, like last night, we've had points robbed from us by forces out of our control.

But then again, this doesn't fit peoples agenda, does it.

 

So, I'll blame it fairly and squarely at the feet of Rafael Benitez.

Bound to be his fault, by default.

 

apart from injuries (souness era excluded! haha) the whole 'luck' thing is way over the top.yes it can be a bummer and especially in cup games but at the end of the day you make your own luck really.

 

it depends on your outlook really-

 

if you broke your leg,youd probably feel unlucky that youd be skint for months with no work and the lack of rigorous sex with your partner would get you down.

 

where id see it as lucky so i could take the chance to chill out,watch some quality jeremy kyle repeats and give myself the chance to catch up on all the old boss porn videos i havent seen for years! :whistle:

[Bob]

The Lucas one against Stoke wasn't a penalty. Not even close. He was diving already as the challenge came in and had no intention of taking another step. First person to say that a defender trying to tackle someone is "asking for it" gets negged to fuckery for their remaining years on TLW.

 

Bollocks Stu, if i may be so frank. Yeah, he was on his way down, but still, when a challenge is so bad that it still cuts you in half, its a fucking stonewall pen.

 

If it was a better challenge, i'd agree with you, but it was fucking terrible. Your line of a defender trying to tackle someone asking for it is not right obviously, but a defender making a rash piss poor tackle that chops a man in two, maybe he might be "asking for it".

[Bob]

So on the original assessment of bold = wrong decision, the 'two' rather begrudgingly agreed incorrect decisions for us were in fact correct?

 

Leaving the 8 against us all in bold all incorrect?

 

Coming 5 days after laughing at Everton, this is just priceless.

 

not priceless at all, this is SCIENCE, join in the experiment.

 

I knew i wouldnt recall many that went against us, and especially many that went against us that were right.

 

The only pen we have conceded that i could recall was the reading one, which was a nonsense of a decision in my opinion. Have we had any other pens against this season?

 

if we have, add them in here, put some non bold stuff to even us out. We all want it. We are striving for truth, nothing more sinister here, no agenda's, that's for the religious lot, not seekers of scientific facts.

[Stu Monty]

Bollocks Stu, if i may be so frank. Yeah, he was on his way down, but still, when a challenge is so bad that it still cuts you in half, its a fucking stonewall pen.

 

If it was a better challenge, i'd agree with you, but it was fucking terrible. Your line of a defender trying to tackle someone asking for it is not right obviously, but a defender making a rash piss poor tackle that chops a man in two, maybe he might be "asking for it".

 

He didn't chop him in two, he slid in front of him and Lucas dived on the floor. Missing the ball isn't a foul. Catching an opponent can be. It'd be nice if an opponent wasn't already falling over when they brush against you.

[J-V]

There has been shit loads. Two away at the Spuds as well.

[Bubble]

Ok, I can't find the UEFA referee guidelines online and I have limited time, but I did find the USSF guidelines which are very similar.

 

The relevant part is in section 14.1: "Referees are reminded that it is the location of the foul, not the position of the ball, which determines whether a penalty kick is the correct restart."

 

Foot on the line means that Fabregas is considered inside the area. It's where he is, not where the ball is that determines whether it is a penalty.

 

I don't have time to look up the goalie handling the ball now, maybe later.

 

I've been trying to figure this one out and having gone through 140 pages of the laws of the game on the FIFA site I'm still none the wiser.

 

I interpreted the regulation you quoted as meaning that in the event of an off the ball incident the position of the ball is irrelevant. The location of the foul would presumably be where Fabregas' hand touched the ball, which would be outside the box.

 

The referees' guidelines don't seem to clarify this at all, so you might be right. So, in summary, it's about as clear as the "interfering with play" offside rule.

[Lucky Pierre]

Ok, I can't find the UEFA referee guidelines online and I have limited time, but I did find the USSF guidelines which are very similar.

 

The relevant part is in section 14.1: "Referees are reminded that it is the location of the foul, not the position of the ball, which determines whether a penalty kick is the correct restart."

 

Foot on the line means that Fabregas is considered inside the area. It's where he is, not where the ball is that determines whether it is a penalty.

 

I don't have time to look up the goalie handling the ball now, maybe later.

The foul in that incident is the ball hitting the hand.

[harryo63]

i might start a thread why the mancs get more own goals than us. gotta be the referee,s fault

[cracker]

 

 

And then to Red Cards; 5 for, I can only think of the Wolves one against.

 

You've forgotten my favourite - the legend Nemanja Vidic the so called 22nd best player in the world according to 442 who was sent off for the third consecutive match V Us.