Elections 2021

[Rico1304]

29 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

Some interesting ones for the Greens.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The south reddish one is near me. Reddish is a fucking dump.  

[Rico1304]

Lib Dems retained Marple. I voted for Malcolm Allen despite him not remembering me when we played cricket together 25 yrs ago and us clashing on parking outside the local school. Voted for Burnham too. See, I’m almost a lefty nowadays. 

[Gnasher]

Speaking of Greens, doing very well at mo in Germany..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/03/polls-put-german-green-party-in-lead-five-months-before-election

[YorkshireRed]

Facilitated a Presentation Skills Course yesterday for a Midlands based Client. This basically involves me telling them some nonsense for a bit, then them designing and practicing a presentation. I generally give them feedback telling them how good they are, even though they’re usually shit. 
 

One of the cunts did his presentation on the local elections. It was basically a Tory political broadcast. My feedback was:

 

1. His body language looked weak

2. His tone lacked authority

3. His supporting materials were poor

4. Some of his ‘facts’ were dubious

 

I did give him some positive feedback as well, but I think my blows landed. He looked a tad less pleased with himself as he went back to his seat. 

 

Stopped short of calling him a small minded, ill informed, Tory cretin though. I regret putting my need for further work above a greater cause. 

[sir roger]

Hearing some faceless , nicely suited nonentity stating that we haven't 'changed enough '. Well we have obviously changed enough for us to lose half of our votes you fucking time-serving arse-licker. Good to see Starmer owning the results 100%.

[RedKnight]

Thoroughly depressing results coming in. I expected some vaccine and furlough bounce for the Tories but this is crazy. Understanding why it's happening is so complicated that I don't think Labour will ever unpick it. It's the vaccine, it's furlough, it's the push back against perceived wokeness, it's Brexit, it's austerity making Labour councils look even shitter, it's Left infighting, it's peoples selfishness, it's the deference to assumptions that posh = clever and so much more. Depressing.

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

And the lib dems?

 

 

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, RedKnight said:

Thoroughly depressing results coming in. I expected some vaccine and furlough bounce for the Tories but this is crazy. Understanding why it's happening is so complicated that I don't think Labour will ever unpick it. It's the vaccine, it's furlough, it's the push back against perceived wokeness, it's Brexit, it's austerity making Labour councils look even shitter, it's Left infighting, it's peoples selfishness, it's the deference to assumptions that posh = clever and so much more. Depressing.

I agree with you. The reasons you try to give are fair and most hold more than a little weight so here's where the optimism comes in. Looking through the reasons. Vaccination, won't be a factor for long. Furlough, won't be a factor for long. Brexit, shouldn't be as important at the next election. Austerity, should work in Labours favour. Wokeness, Labour do need to stop getting bogged down over side issues. Selfishness, no hope I'm afraid.

 

In short a lot of the main issues on people's minds at these elections won't be relevant in a couple of years time. This could and should be as good as it gets for the Tories.

[John102]

16 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I agree with you. The reasons you try to give are fair and most hold more than a little weight so here's where the optimism comes in. Looking through the reasons. Vaccination, won't be a factor for long. Furlough, won't be a factor for long. Brexit, shouldn't be as important at the next election. Austerity, should work in Labours favour. Wokeness, Labour do need to stop getting bogged down over side issues. Selfishness, no hope I'm afraid.

 

In short a lot of the main issues on people's minds at these elections won't be relevant in a couple of years time. This could and should be as good as it gets for the Tories.

And they will be replaced by new issues, with us going round and round again. 

[sir roger]

28 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

 

You're a funny guy

[Leyton388]

Labour are done as a party. 

[Gooch]

The Hartlepool labour candidate was horrendous. A stanch remainer, who was in a committee to reduce local NHS services, not from local area (yes I know the conservative one wasn't either). Had to apologise for previous fucks ups before his feet even touched the ground. He alone encapsulated how Labour have learnt absolutely nothing.

[sir roger]

Just in case Stronts missed the Hartlepool result ,  Andrew Hagon Lib Dem got 349 votes.1.2% of the vote. He came a creditable 7th behind an Independent , Reform , the Greens and a lady who appears to be advertising a market in Bootle.

[sir roger]

2 minutes ago, Gooch said:

The Hartlepool labour candidate was horrendous. A stanch remainer, who was in a committee to reduce local NHS services, not from local area (yes I know the conservative one wasn't either). Had to apologise for previous fucks ups before his feet even touched the ground. He alone encapsulated how Labour have learnt absolutely nothing.

But he wasn't one of them socialists though , so there is that.

[Mudface]

Some of these results are really weird, I can only assume there are local factors at play in some of them. Obviously a terrible night for Labour, but then you get these-

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

16 minutes ago, John102 said:

And they will be replaced by new issues, with us going round and round again. 

I don't think Sunak is going to pay furlough money again plus we are coming out of a pandemic so we won't see circumstances as big or unusual as these again.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I don't like politics. 

[Carvalho Diablo]

[sir roger]

48 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Some of these results are really weird, I can only assume there are local factors at play in some of them. Obviously a terrible night for Labour, but then you get these-

 

 

 

 

I think you are right , some of these wards are so small in numerical terms that a local issue or a popular local figure can skew them completely.

 

For instance in the Eldonian ward in Liverpool the local estate committee  has fallen  out with the Labour councillor and launched a poster and banner campaign against her , and some poor Labour candidate down south has had to endure Turdsy knocking on doors , expecting this to be a positive.

[John102]

41 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I don't think Sunak is going to pay furlough money again plus we are coming out of a pandemic so we won't see circumstances as big or unusual as these again.

I appreciate that, I just feel that we are in this position after every set of elections for past 10 years. We are always pointing to the issue of the day and saying it will be better in the future. It doesn't seem to be happening

[Rico1304]

 

[Gooch]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

It's blindingly obvious where Labour went wrong in Hartlepool, they picked an NHS doctor as a candidate. The people are sick to fucking death of these NHS people, admittedly they liked them last year when they were saving everyone's life but the country has moved on now, they had their round of applause its out of town Barristers from the Cayman Islands people want now.

 

In all seriousness the Labour party should put a monkey up as Hartlepools candidate at the next election, fuvk em.

 

Or maybe they see through the bullshit when said doctor was influential in cutting local services in the area, couple  that with being a staunch remainer who wanted a second referendum and you have recipe for another disaster. Labour just expected people to blindly vote for him because he's in the NHS, forgetting everything else. Labour shockingly, completely misread the situation. Funny how the big thickos in Hartlepool saw straight through it though. Almost as if they aren't as dumb as some are so desperate to think.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Gooch said:

 

Or maybe they see through the bullshit when said doctor was influential in cutting local services in the area, couple  that with being a staunch remainer who wanted a second referendum and you have recipe for another disaster. Labour just expected people to blindly vote for him because he's in the NHS, forgetting everything else. Labour shockingly, completely misread the situation. Funny how the big thickos in Hartlepool saw straight through it though. Almost as if they aren't as dumb as some are so desperate to think.

True, plus wasn't the last candidate forced to resign over impropriety or some other scandal? The people of Hartlepool obviously decided Labour needed a kicking and that's what they got.

 

Some are seriously suggesting Labour give up chasing its core working class vote after this appalling result, like Labour can pick and choose. Labour took for granted its working class vote in Scotland and it appears to be doing the same in the north.

[Mudface]

'Lord' Ian Austin's stronghold's gone-

 

 

[Gooch]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

True, plus wasn't the last candidate forced to resign over impropriety or some other scandal? The people of Hartlepool obviously decided Labour needed a kicking and that's what they got.

 

Some are seriously suggesting Labour give up chasing its core working class vote after this appalling result, like Labour can pick and choose. Labour took for granted its working class vote in Scotland and it appears to be doing the same in the north.

Yep, It's an absolute mess from top to bottom. Even the greatest of politicians would would struggle to turn this ship around, its rotten to the absolute core. Out of touch at the top and chancers and fiddlers at the local level. It will take a once in a generation type figure to come in and sort it, where that person comes from I have no idea.