Coronavirus

[Sugar Ape]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I think this "nobody could have possibly predicted" is the new line from these cunts. i have heard it from 3 different government ministers in the last 24 hours "who could have predicted with such a low number of cases in the summer it could have possibly come back like this". Well just about everyone with a brain. 

The Zoe app (which is also imperial, i wonder if they share any data or if the 2 studies are separate?), has been flat for a few days now - I have not tracked too closely as I've been pretty busy with work. But after being flat for 10 days or so at 19k new cases then then over another week to 10 days escalated to 43k, it does seem flat again. Liverpool has about 25% less cases than it did a week ago. So the data is not all doom and gloom, although of course we are achieving this with millions of people in tier 3 or worse in wales etc. 

I think the React one is probably the most accurate as they test 85,000 people. Either way it’s not good. I’ve noticed the Zoe app seems to stay flat for a few days then can jump massively for a few days which is strange. 

[Barrington Womble]

4 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

I think the React one is probably the most accurate as they test 85,000 people. Either way it’s not good. I’ve noticed the Zoe app seems to stay flat for a few days then can jump massively for a few days which is strange. 

To be honest I think the main thing is tracking trends. All of the studies if conducted in the same way as earlier in the outbreak, will be giving us useful data. This is what I hate about the government constantly manipulating their figures and calculating differently, it becomes impossible to extrapolate anything from it. 

 

This Zoe graphic from the 1st outbreak is showing the number of symptomatic cases. Today that number is at 560k (and obviously still growing). But what I find interesting is is way, way off the earlier peak - which I don't really understand how that is translating into some of the things we are seeing in terms of hospital bed shortages. 

 

[Sugar Ape]

3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

To be honest I think the main thing is tracking trends. All of the studies if conducted in the same way as earlier in the outbreak, will be giving us useful data. This is what I hate about the government constantly manipulating their figures and calculating differently, it becomes impossible to extrapolate anything from it. 

 

This Zoe graphic from the 1st outbreak is showing the number of symptomatic cases. Today that number is at 560k (and obviously still growing). But what I find interesting is is way, way off the earlier peak - which I don't really understand how that is translating into some of the things we are seeing in terms of hospital bed shortages. 

 

Yeah something doesn’t add up with the figures. We’re basically at about half the amount of people in hospital that we had at the peak, and rising rapidly, yet the cases are a lot lower than estimated at the peak in spring.

Which says to me either we didn’t have as many cases as they estimated in spring (which is really bad as it means the percentage of people hospitalised is more than we assumed) or we currently are nearing the amount of cases we had in spring if the estimates were correct (which is also really bad). 

[Barrington Womble]

3 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Yeah something doesn’t add up with the figures. We’re basically at about half the amount of people in hospital that we had at the peak, and rising rapidly, yet the cases are a lot lower than estimated at the peak in spring.

Which says to me either we didn’t have as many cases as they estimated in spring (which is really bad as it means the percentage of people hospitalised is more than we assumed) or we currently are nearing the amount of cases we had in spring if the estimates were correct (which is also really bad). 

i do wonder if they're manipulating the hospital figures to scare us. if you believe the local news in liverpool and manchester, the hospitals are as full as at the peak, yet unless I have missed it I haven't noticed them get the nightingale online in manchester or the fall back plans we had in liverpool (a mini nightingale or utilising more of the new royal and not shutdown the old royal). 

 

Also, the number of cases per 100k in both Liverpool and Manchester is down. Yet we're expected to believe the R rate is above 1 - but those two facts absolutely oppose each other. 

[Davelfc]

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

i do wonder if they're manipulating the hospital figures to scare us. if you believe the local news in liverpool and manchester, the hospitals are as full as at the peak, yet unless I have missed it I haven't noticed them get the nightingale online in manchester or the fall back plans we had in liverpool (a mini nightingale or utilising more of the new royal and not shutdown the old royal). 

 

Also, the number of cases per 100k in both Liverpool and Manchester is down. Yet we're expected to believe the R rate is above 1 - but those two facts absolutely oppose each other. 

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/coronavirus-manchesters-nightingale-hospital-to-become-first-in-country-to-reopen/ar-BB1aiAom

 

The NHS Nightingale hospital in Manchester will become the first in the country to reopen its doors as coronavirus cases continue to rise once more in the region.

 

The vast temporary facility – set up in the city’s Central Conference Centre – will treat patients from across the north west who are recovering from the severest symptoms of Covid-19 but still in need of specialist care.

It will open its doors late next week, health chiefs in the city said on Thursday.

The action comes amid growing fears hospitals in Greater Manchester and the surrounding area could be overwhelmed by those suffering from the virus.

 

Announcing the decision, Professor Jane Eddleston, medical director at Manchester University NHS Trust, said there were currently 95 Covid-19 patients in critical care in Greater Manchester.

And, while that is less than when the pandemic was at its peak in April – when there were 260 such patients – she said the centre would reduce pressure mounting on existing facilities.

[Harry's Lad]

11 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

How’s the family doing today HL hope they’re all well?
 

Thoughts with you and the family too Brownie. 
 

One of my good mates lost his dad yesterday to a heart attack. That’s the third one of my mates to lose a parent this year, all suddenly (none to Covid thankfully).
 

2020 really is a bag of shite, even winning the league had the shine taken off it as we couldn’t celebrate it properly. 

Spoke to my lad this morning, he's struggling and his partner has taken a turn for the worse as well.

 

He said he woke up to go for a piss during the night and he said he felt like he'd run a marathon just going to the bathroom. 

 

My Grandson still seems to be ok thankfully.

My lad's worried in case he's passed it to me but I'm ok.

 

Whatever it was I had, although still there, is only very mild and hasn't progressed.

Worried about them all though.

 

You're right, it has been a twat of a year, right from the very beginning of it.

My Mum in law took ill in the care home she was in on new years eve and died 9:00 in the morning on new years day.

She was 90 and had Alzheimers so wasn't  really a shock, but my missus was devastated as you can imagine.

 

Hope your mate is ok, it's an awful thing to lose your Dad.

[Strontium]

13 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

i do wonder if they're manipulating the hospital figures to scare us. if you believe the local news in liverpool and manchester, the hospitals are as full as at the peak, yet unless I have missed it I haven't noticed them get the nightingale online in manchester or the fall back plans we had in liverpool (a mini nightingale or utilising more of the new royal and not shutdown the old royal).

 

I think it was a fortnight ago, one of the councillors was saying ICU beds in Liverpool were 95% occupied, then the trust came out and said it was only 80%. What wasn't said by either was that at this time of year they're 85% full on average anyway. I think this shows the issues with raw numbers taken out of context, which makes it very difficult to know how bad the situation actually is.

[Vincent Vega]

20 minutes ago, Harry's Lad said:

Spoke to my lad this morning, he's struggling and his partner has taken a turn for the worse as well.

 

He said he woke up to go for a piss during the night and he said he felt like he'd run a marathon just going to the bathroom. 

 

My Grandson still seems to be ok thankfully.

My lad's worried in case he's passed it to me but I'm ok.

 

Whatever it was I had, although still there, is only very mild and hasn't progressed.

Worried about them all though.

 

You're right, it has been a twat of a year, right from the very beginning of it.

My Mum in law took ill in the care home she was in on new years eve and died 9:00 in the morning on new years day.

She was 90 and had Alzheimers so wasn't  really a shock, but my missus was devastated as you can imagine.

 

Hope your mate is ok, it's an awful thing to lose your Dad.

Glad to hear your grandson is doing well, hope it’s not too serious for your son. Sorry to hear about your mother in law as well, no matter how old and ill they are it always hits hard when they’re gone. 
 

I haven’t spoken to my mate yet, another one of my mates told me about it. I’ll get in touch with him later, I imagine he’s doing all sorts for his mum at the moment. It’s been a bad year for my mate anyway, this Covid has fucked his business as he runs a cleaning company that cleans nightclubs and gig venues, this was the last thing he needed. 

[Vincent Vega]

 

[TheHowieLama]

Starting to smell like an exponential second wave.

[Harry's Lad]

5 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Glad to hear your grandson is doing well, hope it’s not too serious for your son. Sorry to hear about your mother in law as well, no matter how old and ill they are it always hits hard when they’re gone. 
 

I haven’t spoken to my mate yet, another one of my mates told me about it. I’ll get in touch with him later, I imagine he’s doing all sorts for his mum at the moment. It’s been a bad year for my mate anyway, this Covid has fucked his business as he runs a cleaning company that cleans nightclubs and gig venues, this was the last thing he needed. 

FFS.

Poor sod.

Like I said, it wasn't a shock with my MIL, that Alzheimers is a terrible thing. 

She was proper old school, fight anyone.

We had a do in our house once and she took exception to one of her sons trying to get her to ease off on the whisky a bit.

She caught him with a perfect uppercut which put him on his arse. She just picked her drink up, had a sip and carried on as if nothing had happened. 

Rambo was the big film at the time and someone called her Rambo, I said Mambo more like and it stuck.

Fantastic woman who never had a pot to piss in, but if you needed something and she had it, it was yours no questions asked. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

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@Bjornebye

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

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@Bjornebye

Inevitable to be fair. 

[Harry's Lad]

7 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Inevitable to be fair. 

Anybody with half a brain knew that was going to happen.

 

[M_B]

I would imagine quite a few asymptomatic people came back from Spain or elsewhere and spread it without even realizing they had it.

[Brownie]

Thanks for the comments people, i’m hopeful everything will work out alright.

[Bjornebye]

On the news about travel to Spain contributing to a further spread. Pure greed from both governments IMO. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

On the news about travel to Spain contributing to a further spread. Pure greed from both governments IMO. 

I'm not going to clog up this thread on stuff I put on the eu page as the coronavirus issue is to important. So this will be my only comment on the matter.

 

It's now obvious that flying on overseas holidays was selfish and reckless, as is not wearing a mask upon entering a shop or keeping a safe social distance.

 

Its seems this outbreak may have started on Spanish farms, when I flagged up how irresponsible it was st the height of the first wave to fly people around the world packed in planes to work on farms I was largely ridiculed and scorned. 

 

I'll leave it there.

[halewood pete]

[Duff Man]

Tier 4 incoming

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/dominic-raab-refuses-to-deny-possibility-of-tier-4-covid-restrictions

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

Tier 4 incoming

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/30/dominic-raab-refuses-to-deny-possibility-of-tier-4-covid-restrictions

I'm surprised Rabb can count to four.

[Davelfc]

"British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the localised approach could work if everyone stuck to the rules."

 

The fucking idiot, almost nobody is sticking to the rules. It doesn't help that very few know the rules or that the rules appear to change depending on your powers of negotiation with the government. 

 

Saving money, losing lives. 

[Section_31]

A study has been released saying eat out to help out drive infections up. They can't get anything right these clowns can they? Literally anything. Bad combination of greed and shit for brains. 

[Section_31]

Just now, Jedd Drudge said:

"British Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said the localised approach could work if everyone stuck to the rules."

 

The fucking idiot, almost nobody is sticking to the rules. It doesn't help that very few know the rules or that the rules appear to change depending on your powers of negotiation with the government. 

 

Saving money, losing lives. 

Hard lockdowns aren't going to work on local levels, there'll be riots. "Hey look London is booming but people are getting stopped by the police if they try and leave Rochdale to buy tampons."

 

Yeah alright mate.

[Bjornebye]

Its 50/50 to be honest. I hate this fucking government as much as anyone and they have absolutely killed people with their fuckong around. Initial lockdown was far too late, masks should have been brought in compulsory a lot sooner and then policed better and all that eat out help out / fuck off abroad / schools piling back in with little or no social distancing has been an absolute disaster. You have to admit though that large parts of the public just don't give a fuck. Its easy to say loads don't know the rules but they couldn't have been much clearer from the very start at least and it doesn't take too much common sense to think ok, I will keep a distance, I will wear a mask in shops etc and no i won't just throw parties etc and surround myself with shit loads of people. Arrogant bastards. 

 

The government are absolutely cunts. So are lots of people.