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2 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I don't understand this "not a guaranteed starter" stuff. Our forwards have played all summer. We'll play likely 60 matches this season, we're a guaranteed 50 even if we don't win 1 a cup match. It's like we've been brainwashed to the idea we aren't allowed to rotate. If we play 60 matches this season, it would mean the front three plus any player we'd added (let's say coutinho) could have 45 starts each and that's not considering when coutinho would start in midfield, so they'd probably still get 50 starts each. 

 

 We saw last season we often had 2 or 3 matches in 7 or 8 days, the idea we could spread that load around 4 too class players is surely a good thing? 

 

20m and 200k a week? When we've got sturridge and Moreno off the wage bill. Sold Ming, Camacho, Ings and I'm sure some others I've forgotten, plus loan fees for gruic and others. We sold solanke in January. On top of this we made 100m last year and I would imagine after a CL win and improved sponsorship deals on the shirt, training shirt and arm of the shirt since, we've managed a similar sort of profit. Money shouldn't have been an issue here, yet we've been brainwashed into thinking it is. 

Plus, rather than buy an extra forward the club have allegedly told Klopp that he should give up on the League and FA Cup to concentrate on the other competitions that would make more money. 

 

And buying any player for the front 3 cover would stop our youth players coming through.

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4 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

and 200k a week? When we've got sturridge and Moreno off the wage bill. Sold Ming, Camacho, Ings and I'm sure some others I've forgotten, plus loan fees for gruic and others. We sold solanke in January. On top of this we made 100m last year and I would imagine after a CL win and improved sponsorship deals on the shirt, training shirt and arm of the shirt since, we've managed a similar sort of profit. Money shouldn't have been an issue here, yet we've been brainwashed into thinking it is. 

Bringing back Coutinho in the summer was high on my wishlist but then I remembered about FSG and made my peace with it. 

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3 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Plus, rather than buy an extra forward the club have allegedly told Klopp that he should give up on the League and FA Cup to concentrate on the other competitions that would make more money. 

 

And buying any player for the front 3 cover would stop our youth players coming through.

Well looking at how we've approached the domestic cups since Kenny was sacked, I would suggest that's been a policy for some time now. We've not got out of January in the fa cup since klopp arrived. 

 

As for stopping players coming through? Are we talking about Brewster here? Frankly I don't give a fuck. I want to win the league. We're supposed to be wanting to win the league, not just keeping some kid happy who's never kicked a ball in anger at senior level. Brewster might be a good player. He might be shite too, there's no evidence either way on him right now. 

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It’s all on Klopp why we don’t bother with the domestic cups. Remember Conte’s first season at Chelsea and they hardly seemed to play a game. Klopp said he  spoke to him and he said he abandoned the cups so he could concentrate solely on the prem. We seemed to have a game every other day over that Xmas period and klopp said he’d take that on board.

 

On the none signings of new players, klopp only said the other week that the big priced players he spoke to in the summer asked him when they would get a game and he said he had to be honest and tell them when the players in your position get injured or sold and the conversations were over. 

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Even though we ultimately lost the final, going to Wembley to beat Everton in the semi final a few years ago is one of my favourite match-going memories. 

 

I know I know - it's extra games, there's no financial reward, probably negatively affects any progress in the league and European Cup. Maybe it's just my age, but I still regard the FA cup highly. 

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There seems to be a weird snobbery against most trophies by modern fans - league cup is shit, fa cup is shit, charity shield is shit, European super cup is shit, uefa cup is shit. Ironically most of these fans support teams who are never in with a chance of winning any of these trophies, never mind the league or European cup. 

 

The number of Everton fans who were trying to belittle the super cup. They don't even know what a fucking trophy looks like! 

 

Rant over. 

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Liverpool are not winning the league this year. The only way that is happening is if City capitulate, and I can't see them doing that.

 

If Klopp manages to win the league on merit, then frankly he has to go down as one of the greatest managers of all time. But I think thats stretching it. You can see from the Club's business this year where the ambition lies. City spent 120 million on two new faces to freshen things up for the first team, we did nothing.

 

Why did we do nothing? You can argue Jurgen likes a small squad, you can argue that we retained our best players, even though if you think thats a success for Liverpool well then we can't be thought that highly enough in World Football. You can argue we are saving ourselves next year, but me? I think the Club believes they can't bridge the gap without significant spend and the owners are not prepared to do that.

 

As for the squad and Klopps happiness with it we will see wheres he's at today. So far this season, Shaqiri, Lallana and Brewster haven't featured, Keita is injured. I would expect Jurgen to ring some changes today off the back of Wednesday, but if we don't see any of those three featured then I guess that tells you what he thinks of them as rotation options because frankly some of those first team players look out on their feet to me.

 

Last year Jurgen didn't rotate too much, he basically plays his core set of players and only rotates into the starting line up if absolutely necessary which tells you he doesn't feel he has the quality in reserve.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, johnsusername said:

There seems to be a weird snobbery against most trophies by modern fans - league cup is shit, fa cup is shit, charity shield is shit, European super cup is shit, uefa cup is shit. Ironically most of these fans support teams who are never in with a chance of winning any of these trophies, never mind the league or European cup. 

 

The number of Everton fans who were trying to belittle the super cup. They don't even know what a fucking trophy looks like! 

 

Rant over. 

Its the modern game mate and the approach is fuelled by the Clubs too.

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A Bolton fan I worked with went to see them play sporting Lisbon in the UEFA cup ages ago. The manager played a second string in the game and they got knocked out. Despite quite a few thousand of them going over and having the time of their lives. 

 

The club's mentality was that they should get knocked out to concentrate on their league position. Finish high enough to concentrate on 7th which would have been good enough to qualify for the UEFA cup again. Bizarre attitude and I bet their fans wish they had the chance to do that these days the state the club is in.

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City signed Rodri for big money because Fernandinho is 34 years old. Cancelo, they didn't really need but they basically traded him for Danilo.

 

If one of our most important players was 34, we'd have signed someone guaranteed. 

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2 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

A Bolton fan I worked with went to see them play sporting Lisbon in the UEFA cup ages ago. The manager played a second string in the game and they got knocked out. Despite quite a few thousand of them going over and having the time of their lives. 

 

The club's mentality was that they should get knocked out to concentrate on their league position. Finish high enough to concentrate on 7th which would have been good enough to qualify for the UEFA cup again. Bizarre attitude and I bet their fans wish they had the chance to do that these days the state the club is in.

We did this under Rodgers when we threw the game at the Bernabéu to concentrate on qualifying for the CL. Infuriating mentality. 

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1 hour ago, Red74 said:

klopp only said the other week that the big priced players he spoke to in the summer asked him when they would get a game and he said he had to be honest and tell them when the players in your position get injured or sold and the conversations were over. 

Where was this then?

 

Really cannot see Klopp saying anything like that to a world class player.

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5 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

City signed Rodri for big money because Fernandinho is 34 years old. Cancelo, they didn't really need but they basically traded him for Danilo.

 

If one of our most important players was 34, we'd have signed someone guaranteed. 

 

They signed a top 5 right back in the world to deputise for another top 5 right back. 

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Considering Klopp signed Mane and Salah whilst he had Coutinho (and Firmino) at the club I’m not sure I buy the “he wouldn’t be a guaranteed starter” argument.

 

Still I do think we’d be aiming more for spending cash on a younger more long term option to the front three and couldn’t find one for what we thought was good value.

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35 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Where was this then?

 

Really cannot see Klopp saying anything like that to a world class player.

 

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45 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

City signed Rodri for big money because Fernandinho is 34 years old. Cancelo, they didn't really need but they basically traded him for Danilo.

 

If one of our most important players was 34, we'd have signed someone guaranteed. 

They haven't got rid of Fernandhino though.

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2 hours ago, johnsusername said:

The number of Everton fans who were trying to belittle the super cup. They don't even know what a fucking trophy looks like! 

 

Rant over. 

Fake news. They’ve 30 gleaming Liverpool Didn’t Win The League trophies in their cabinet. 

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2 hours ago, johnsusername said:

Even though we ultimately lost the final, going to Wembley to beat Everton in the semi final a few years ago is one of my favourite match-going memories. 

 

I know I know - it's extra games, there's no financial reward, probably negatively affects any progress in the league and European Cup. Maybe it's just my age, but I still regard the FA cup highly. 

I am desperate for us to win the league and I am happy for us to use all the fine margins we can get to manage it. If that means giving up on cups, while that goes against everything this club is built on, I can live with it. The idea we've got a stash of cash after 2 big seasons and our aims is to reduce the wage bill because odds are city will win it anyway. Well what's the fucking point? We take the fine margins that are free, but seem unwilling to invest in other fine margins.  I'd take an fa cup over 2nd in the league any day. 

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1 minute ago, Barry Wom said:

It's a shame city don't have this issue. 

Yea, that reads a little like Klopp trying to deflect from not buying anyone.

 

Cancelo is the most expensive RB in the world - pretty sure Guardiola did not mention anything about Walker needing to get injured.

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5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Yea, that reads a little like Klopp trying to deflect from not buying anyone.

 

Cancelo is the most expensive RB in the world - pretty sure Guardiola did not mention anything about Walker needing to get injured.

Perhaps paying a world class salary regardless of them getting a game or not makes a difference. 

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