Most underrated/overrated player in the Premiership?

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

4 minutes ago, aRdja said:

In terms of importance to the team I meant. I loved Gary Macca, but at the time we had Gerrard, Hamann and Murphy at centre mid. One credible GOAT candidate, one world class midfielder at the time and a good solid premier league player.

McAllister was instrumental in the treble. Milner is ace but Macca shades it despite being here a short time. In my opinion.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Over-rated: Otamendi - gets by in a team that dominates possession in midfield. Up against a team that attacks with pace and movement he looks bang average.

 

Under-rated: Ndidi - gets a fair few plaudits, but he's still only 21 and should be heralded as one of the best in the world in that age range for what he's doing.

[El Rojo]

26 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Has he been a better signing than Gary Macca do you think?

As good a signing for me. Both proper leaders.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

26 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

 

Under-rated: Ndidi - gets a fair few plaudits, but he's still only 21 and should be heralded as one of the best in the world in that age range for what he's doing.

Yes. Ndidi.

[Jairzinho]

Ndidi and Didi, for me.

[aRdja]

Haha. @Grinch is on absolute mission. Fair play to the lad. Repped.

[moof]

Ndidi do it?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

44 minutes ago, moof said:

Ndidi do it?

Ndidi did.

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

 

Overrated, Naby Keita of July 18.

Underrated: Naby Keita of Oct 18.

[an tha]

Over : Carlton Pogba

 

Under: Marcos Alonso

[Paul]

Over: Mesut Özil (even allowing for the criticism he gets)

 

Under: James Milner: non-stop, super-intelligent, two-footed and aggressive as fuck. Sensational player. 

[3 Stacks]

Mesut Ozil is one of the most underrated players in the world now. Almost everyone thinks he's shite bar Arsenal fans but against 7-20 in the Premier League he's still one of the first players in the league I would want because of his ability to create chances and that counts for a lot. 

[moof]

Ozil is shite

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Mesut Ozil is one of the most underrated players in the world now. Almost everyone thinks he's shite bar Arsenal fans but against 7-20 in the Premier League he's still one of the first players in the league I would want because of his ability to create chances and that counts for a lot. 

I think he was poor last year, but the two previous years he was excellent. 20 goals in those two seasons, and probably more assists than anyone else in the league.

 

The legitimate criticism is his propensity to go missing, especially in big games. The two seemingly uniquely English criticisms of "doesn't run around aimlessly enough" and "doesn't take responsibility" (he passes the ball when other players are in a better position, rather than being a big brave lion and having a crack from 30 yards when he could have just rolled in a team mate for a tap in) are, obviously, tedious bullshit.

[3 Stacks]

19 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

I think he was poor last year, but the two previous years he was excellent. 20 goals in those two seasons, and probably more assists than anyone else in the league.

 

The legitimate criticism is his propensity to go missing, especially in big games. The two seemingly uniquely English criticisms of "doesn't run around aimlessly enough" and "doesn't take responsibility" (he passes the ball when other players are in a better position, rather than being a big brave lion and having a crack from 30 yards when he could have just rolled in a team mate for a tap in) are, obviously, tedious bullshit.

Pretty much exactly my opinion. He's often disappointing against the bigger sides but the media and the people who only watch the biggest matches have taken that and turned it into "Ozil is shite, period" which is objectively a garbage take. 

[moof]

I’d be absolutely gutted if we signed him. He’s shite 

[Jairzinho]

Proper number 10s are more reliant on the rest of the team than any other position, even striker. A striker will get some service at some point.

 

You could stick a peak Iniesta in Huddersfield's team and they'd still be shit. The rest of the midfield wouldn't get Iniesta the ball enough, and the forwards wouldn't make enough intelligent runs off the ball.

 

Look at Coutinho for us. When he had Suarez and peak Sturridge in front of him he concentrated on passing the ball, when they fucked off to Barcelona and the injury table respectively he started shooting too much. Then he moved to Barcelona and had Messi, Suarez, et al, and reverted back to creating lots of chances. As he had players actually moving off the ball.

 

He doesn't work as hard as Coutinho, but it's the same with Ozil. He was basically just a central midfielder under Wenger last year. It was appalling management from someone just phoning it in really.

[3 Stacks]

15 minutes ago, moof said:

I’d be absolutely gutted if we signed him. He’s shite 

He's basically exactly what we're missing: a very technically gifted creative player. If he was 3 years younger he'd be the absolute holy grail for our squad. 

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

He's basically exactly what we're missing: a very technically gifted creative player. If he was 3 years younger he'd be the absolute holy grail for our squad. 

Very rarely agree with you about footy because you chat absolute shite most of the time. However... I agree with you on Ozil. he doesn't want to be at Arsenal, couldn't give a fuck about them. If he was at a club that he loved he would be fucking brilliant. In some games he is miles ahead of other players. reminds me of Ballack. One of the best on the planet at Leverkusen, didn't seem arsed at Chelsea, to his detriment. I'd take Ozil and Ramsey in a heartbeat. 

[Pidge]

Anyone mentioned Ake?

 

I mean, he's obviously rated, but is he... underrated?

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Anyone mentioned Ake?

 

I mean, he's obviously rated, but is he... underrated?

Is he doing any good at Bournemouth? Not heard anything about him and don't really watch them 

[moof]

Ozil can’t press and only turns it on when he’s arsed. He’s the antithesis of a Klopp player. Doubt he’d even make our bench 

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, moof said:

Ozil can’t press and only turns it on when he’s arsed. He’s the antithesis of a Klopp player. Doubt he’d even make our bench 

That is my point. You telling me Klopp couldn't get him arsed? 

[Pidge]

14 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Is he doing any good at Bournemouth? Not heard anything about him and don't really watch them 

Can't say I've watched them much either, he was their player of the season last year if that means anything (according to the commentator tonight).

 

Always looks like a good footballer and defender when I do see him.  Think of him and Gomez in a back three with Virgil.

[3 Stacks]

Klopp used to absolutely love Mario Gotze who even as a young player wouldn't/couldn't run. He'd love Ozil because he's extremely composed in the final third, which is the other side of the gegenpressing system after you win the ball.