US Election Thread 2016

[Red Phoenix]

I've started a list for you so you don't have to waste time.

 

I want to know what you would like to see done on a number of issues out of a number of realistic scenarios. That's policy-making. Tell us now, or would you rather be able to carp at every decision any Western leader makes and be able to link to some batshit crazy conspiracy site in respect of all such decisions?

 

Telling us, for example, how you prioritise trying to keep Syrians safe from Assad over non-intervention, or at least acknowledging the acute moral dilemma posed by these scenarios might take a bit of wind out of the sails of the conspiracy fleet.

 

 

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Nope. I'll respond when she's sworn in like I said. I link to a lot more sources than what you and others consider "batshit conspiracy sites" as well (see here for instance. The Intercept, Wall Street Journal, BBC, Time, CNBC, Wikileaks : batshit sites?) That one is getting really tired at this stage. Maybe pretending it's all batshit helps you ignore more of it or something, I don't know.

 

And "Syrians safe from Assad", I think the main priority could be keeping them safe from Al-Nusra and ISIS to be honest, and those funding and arming them. If those groups weren't in Syria the people there might have a lot more peace. That's not in the interests of the regime change mob though, which Clinton will probably be a member of. More of ISIS will be pouring into Syria from Iraq around now as well if reports are right (not batshit conspiracy sites, don't worry), which I'm sure is really convenient for several parties.

 

I'll try to get back to you if she's sworn in, have just bookmarked your other post as a reminder.

 

edit : Or maybe I will answer it earlier, not that it's even a big thing anyway. I won't do it from you demanding I do though as you're also ridiculing, I'll do it when I choose to.

[Hades]

I find that "moderate" is what most people think of themselves.

 

Everyone to the left of them is a crazy socialist, and everyone to the right of them is a fascist nutjob. I'd bet you even Hades thinks he's a moderate. We all do.

People that support murdering and exploiting the poor and disabled to make the rich richer are considered moderates, mate. Give up trying to 'other' me fash.

[Red Phoenix]

Says who?

 

Some of the Democratic Party and their cronies are obviously making out like they represent at least some of the left. If we're going to pretend none of them do that then this is just getting completely stupid.

[Jose Jones]

Some of the Democratic Party and their cronies are obviously making out like they represent at least some of the left. If we're going to pretend none of them do that then this is just getting completely stupid.

The democratic party historically supported slavery.

[rubble-rouser]

Nope. I'll respond when she's sworn in like I said. I link to a lot more sources than what you and others consider "batshit conspiracy sites" as well (see here for instance. The Intercept, Wall Street Journal, BBC, Time, CNBC, Wikileaks : batshit sites?) That one is getting really tired at this stage. Maybe pretending it's all batshit helps you ignore more of it or something, I don't know.

 

And "Syrians safe from Assad", I think the main priority could be keeping them safe from Al-Nusra and ISIS to be honest, and those funding and arming them. If those groups weren't in Syria the people there might have a lot more peace. That's not in the interests of the regime change mob though, which Clinton will probably be a member of. More of ISIS will be pouring into Syria from Iraq around now as well if reports are right (not batshit conspiracy sites, don't worry), which I'm sure is really convenient for several parties.

 

I'll try to get back to you if she's sworn in, have just bookmarked your other post as a reminder.

 

edit : Or maybe I will answer it earlier, not that it's even a big thing anyway. I won't do it from you demanding I do though as you're also ridiculing, I'll do it when I choose to.

 

But you're happy to say now - as you did in the original [post I quoted - that you predict that she will be remembered as one of the worst democrat presidents in history. 

 

I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and the lack of any intellectual rigour in your position. 

 

To sum it up - you are happy to indulge in a dramatic, broad prediction about a putative Clinton presidency now but you are unwilling to engage in any projections of any policies a Clinton presidency might encompass because  it is too speculative as she hasn't been  sworn in yet.

 

Why the double-standard?

 

I am ridiculing your position, because it is literally ridiculous. 

[Red Phoenix]

The democratic party historically supported slavery.

 

Yeah that sure means that none of them have ever tried or pretended to represent the left. They were also behind the New Deal as well when Roosevelt was president if you want some examples of more left wing policies (I'm not saying the New Deal was fully left wing either, it was in places though.) I've already said they're a fake party at this stage and have never said they don't have a bad history in places, or even mostly. I'm not defending them.

[Pureblood]

RP, can't you do a first draft on the assumption that she will be sworn in and flesh it out later?

[Red Phoenix]

Why the double-standard?

 

Not sure, maybe it's a conspiracy.

[Jose Jones]

Yeah that sure means that none of them have ever tried or pretended to represent the left. They were also behind the New Deal as well when Roosevelt was president if you want some examples of more left wing policies (I'm not saying the New Deal was fully left wing either, it was in places though.) I've already said they're a fake party at this stage and have never said they don't have a bad history in places, or even mostly. I'm not defending them.

Yeah, fair enough that was a bit of a flippant and stupid comment.

[Cardie]

The democratic party historically supported slavery.

Not strictly true.

[moof]

Republican nominee Donald Trump implied on Tuesday that he would be willing to fight the sitting vice-president Joe Biden behind a barn

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/25/donald-trump-says-he-would-love-to-beat-up-joe-mr-tough-guy-biden

[Captain Turdseye]

Republican nominee Donald Trump implied on Tuesday that he would be willing to fight the sitting vice-president Joe Biden behind a barn

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/25/donald-trump-says-he-would-love-to-beat-up-joe-mr-tough-guy-biden

[moof]

Haha, 'kinell.

 

Isn't that col's old man with the mean left jab?

[Jairzinho]

 

[Boss]

PPV only £16.99. The biggest rematch in Russian boxing history. Two great lads, power in both hands, they absolutely despise each other these two. Ohh it's gonna be a great fight!!!

[Guest Pistonbroke]

The one old bloke lets the other up after felling him with what is no more than a clenched slap, the other old guy who is easily put on his arse sticks the boot in when the opportunity arises, obviously a cunt. 

[TheHowieLama]

RP - we do not have a left wing per se - way before it was cool we had a right footer playing on the left so he could cut it inside and finish.

[lifetime fan]

Brilliant.

[lifetime fan]

Haha, 'kinell.

 

Isn't that col's old man with the mean left jab?

Too much hair and too little weight to be my ol fella.

 

About the right level of pissed though.

[TheHowieLama]

The one fella took a swing at the ref

[Red Phoenix]

If you didn't think the election could get any more insane, try this :

 

[Lee909]

PPV only £16.99. The biggest rematch in Russian boxing history. Two great lads, power in both hands, they absolutely despise each other these two. Ohh it's gonna be a great fight!!!

Better value than Haye vs Harrison

[Jack the Sipper]

I'm sure RP has already posted this as part of his damning dossier, but just in case he missed it:

 

 

 

 

http://americannews.com/hillary-clintons-hitman-reveals-dark-secret-that-she-thought-hed-take-to-the-grave/

[Moctezuma]

Listened to another excellent episode of Chapo Trap House today, they had on Alexander Zaitchik who has written a book called 'the Gilded Rage' which is about a series of conversations he had with Trump supporters in 6 states. He stated that while he met many straight-up racists amongst Trumps support there were a number of people who were sick of what Clinton represented including a group of veterans who basically had a Chomsky-esque view of the Iraq war.

 

He reckoned there were about a third who could be actively reached by a left wing/socialist policy platform, but prefaced that by saying they would really have to think carefully about the language used to convey those ideas due to the propaganda that has been launched at the American public for a century or more.

 

Postulating:

I'm a Socialist candidate- I'm a People focused candidate

I support re-distributive economics- I support putting the American people first in economics (though could sound a bit protectionist)/ We need to tax the one percent (Bernie did pretty well with this)

I think Obama care and Medicaid is a good idea- Everyone should have access to healthcare, so you don't go broke when you need an operation

Have a go at specialist interests and lobbying constantly

etc.

[VladimirIlyich]

I've started a list for you so you don't have to waste time.

 

I want to know what you would like to see done on a number of issues out of a number of realistic scenarios. That's policy-making. Tell us now, or would you rather be able to carp at every decision any Western leader makes and be able to link to some batshit crazy conspiracy site in respect of all such decisions?

 

Telling us, for example, how you prioritise trying to keep Syrians safe from Assad over non-intervention, or at least acknowledging the acute moral dilemma posed by these scenarios might take a bit of wind out of the sails of the conspiracy fleet.

 

 

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Without knowing too much about the situation in Syria,I think this is how the media want it,I am not certain Assad is the biggest problem. We are told he is but the people saying it are also the people who want control of the pipelines and maybe supplying ISIS and other dangerous groups too.