Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[clockspeed]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/03/academic-quits-c-of-e-body-over-chief-rabbis-labour-antisemitism-comments

 

Good point well argued pity he felt he had to resign. 

[torahboy]

This anti Semitism thing is getting to be a bit ridiculous. Baddiel found a groaning crowd offensive to 'Jewish ears'. Rachel Riley allowed her sublimal racism to come screaming to the fore when she wore a shirt designed to accuse Corbyn of the offence that never shuts its fucking mouth. Now another outpouring over Corbyn's apology on the 'Have A Wank On Holly' show: which just proves how diifficult it is to satisfy these whining Zionist supporting cunts. Chris Williamson was spot on - you can apologise too much, especially when you're trying to satsfy those who will never satisfied.

 

Now you have to tread carefully when you're calling a crook a crook, especially when he happens to be a crook who is also a Jew. It also seems to be only Jews who will bring up the fact that Green is a Jew; whether they think this fact excuses him or unfairly condemns him isn't clear. Yet when I hear the names Bugsy Siiegel or Mayer Lansky I don't think 'Jew'. I think 'gangster'. I hear the name Al Capone and I think 'gangster' and not 'Cathoilc'. Yet when someone now says 'anti Semitism' I hear 'right wing propaganda' and there's fuck all wrong with my hearing. 

[Rico1304]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Is that the one with a speech by Dawn Butler  (I think) where she rattles through a list of people who get the shitty end of the stick, including "if you wear a hijab, a turban, a cross..."

 

I suppose she could have gone into a studio to record the words "or a yarmulke" but that would have been worse. 

 

You'd basically have to be as desperate as Stronts or Riley to pretend there's anything amiss here.

 

It's not as if any Labour MPs are unveiling statues and singing the praises of Hitler-supporting anti-Semites.

I said missing them out was stupid, given the current climate.  Plain amateurish. 

[Bjornebye]

30 minutes ago, torahboy said:

This anti Semitism thing is getting to be a bit ridiculous. Baddiel found a groaning crowd offensive to 'Jewish ears'. Rachel Riley allowed her sublimal racism to come screaming to the fore when she wore a shirt designed to accuse Corbyn of the offence that never shuts its fucking mouth. Now another outpouring over Corbyn's apology on the 'Have A Wank On Holly' show: which just proves how diifficult it is to satisfy these whining Zionist supporting cunts. Chris Williamson was spot on - you can apologise too much, especially when you're trying to satsfy those who will never satisfied.

 

Now you have to tread carefully when you're calling a crook a crook, especially when he happens to be a crook who is also a Jew. It also seems to be only Jews who will bring up the fact that Green is a Jew; whether they think this fact excuses him or unfairly condemns him isn't clear. Yet when I hear the names Bugsy Siiegel or Mayer Lansky I don't think 'Jew'. I think 'gangster'. I hear the name Al Capone and I think 'gangster' and not 'Cathoilc'. Yet when someone now says 'anti Semitism' I hear 'right wing propaganda' and there's fuck all wrong with my hearing. 

Spot on word for word. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

54 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I said missing them out was stupid, given the current climate.  Plain amateurish. 

You may be right. It's just ridiculous that normal free-speech is under attack from the noisy cunts who created this climate - and have whipped up unfounded fears among Jewish communities - and we're supposed to tiptoe around the horrible lying bastards.

[Rico1304]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You may be right. It's just ridiculous that normal free-speech is under attack from the noisy cunts who created this climate - and have whipped up unfounded fears among Jewish communities - and we're supposed to tiptoe around the horrible lying bastards.

Unfounded. Ok.  

[Creator Supreme]

7 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Don’t you think it’s wise for Labour to avoid being critical of Jews for the next 10 days? Gives the right less to weaponise IMO.

Avoid the truth because of religion? I get where you coming from mate, but fuck me it's a poor state of affairs!

[Strontium]

What does religion have to do with it?

[TheHowieLama]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

What does religion have to do with it?

With being Jewish?

[Strontium]

Just now, TheHowieLama said:

With being Jewish?

 

Indeed.

[aRdja]

Eeeeeek...

[aRdja]

18 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Avoid the truth because of religion? I get where you coming from mate, but fuck me it's a poor state of affairs!

Yeah, why not? Concede this particular battle for the bigger picture; the election. After that, then everyone is fair game.

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

 

Forget just publishing the remedy. Sack the slanderous prick. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

When was this Phillip Green criticism video posted, out of interest? 

 

The crying wolf will unfortunately backfire. It troubles me now when genuine racism is shrugged off as people "playing the race card." The same will happen soon with antisemitism if any criticism of poor behaviour of a Jewish person is made (with the Jewish factor being a purely incidental one) and instantly met with a claim of antisemitism. It's pathetic. And it helps nobody. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

14 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Eeeeeek...

Is Lee Harpin Jewish? 

 

I'm just curious as that criticism of him in that video could be antisemitic... 

[TheHowieLama]

[aRdja]

38 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

Is Lee Harpin Jewish? 

 

I'm just curious as that criticism of him in that video could be antisemitic... 

Unsure re this.

[Rico1304]

1 minute ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

The only thing to be worried about is the fact if Corbyn got in there wouldn't be as many innocent brown people dying. 

Started early today?  

[Strontium]

5 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

The only thing to be worried about is the fact if Corbyn got in there wouldn't be as many innocent brown people dying. 

 

I'm interested in how you reconcile that with Corbyn's long history of opposing military intervention to stop innocent brown people from being killed.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

Get fucked you Tory cunt.

That’s a yes then.  Enjoy it, I can’t stand the hangovers these days.  Takes me until about mid morning before I can even laugh at an eviction.  

[moof]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

I'm interested in how you reconcile that with Corbyn's long history of opposing military intervention to stop innocent brown people from being killed.

Jesus Christ man. Look at yourself 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Istvan Kuntstain said:

I rarely even drink you cunt. Smoke yes.

Seems to work for you.  

[Strontium]

Just now, Istvan Kuntstain said:

pretty sure I seen a picture of him opposing apartheid. Care to give some examples.

 

Well, let's take Kosovo, which I mentioned earlier.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Jeremy_Corbyn#Kosovo

 

Corbyn opposed the 1999 NATO intervention in Kosovo and in 2004 signed an Early Day motion which praised John Pilger for his "expose" of the "fraudulent justifications for intervening in a 'genocide' that never really existed" during the buildup to the Kosovo War.

 

It worries me that if we find ourselves in a similar situation again, where we need to use British forces to prevent a genocide, that Prime Minister Corbyn won't endorse the necessary action.

[moof]

Just now, Istvan Kuntstain said:

pretty sure I seen a picture of him opposing apartheid. Care to give some examples.

Opposing the nato bombing campaign in Kosovo. Could be argued from a certain standpoint that it was a justified campaign based on the crimes of the Yugoslav government but I’m pretty sure Corbyn’s opposition was more “let’s find a peaceable solution that doesn’t involve bombing the shit out of people” rather than “fuck the Kosovo people let them be genocided” but whatever. That’s the today agenda. His principled opposition to war and violence is actually, you know, he’s evil or something 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Well, let's take Kosovo, which I mentioned earlier.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Jeremy_Corbyn#Kosovo

 

 

 

 

It worries me that if we find ourselves in a similar situation again, where we need to use British forces to prevent a genocide, that Prime Minister Corbyn won't endorse the necessary action.

It needs to be balanced with the fact that hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan children’s blood wouldn’t have been on his hands, I guess.