Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Rico1304]

4 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

In the last few posts you responded with something like - my votes makes me worse than a nonce and then followed it up with my vote makes me selfish. The jist you portray is you are regularly on the receiving end of unwarranted criticism. 

What on earth are you on about?  I’m telling you, as I have in the past, that I’m more selfish than you. In that I’d vote for policies that protect me, rather than anyone else.  It’s not looking for sympathy, it’s the truth.  I don’t care about any criticism.  It’s the internet. 

[moof]

Embarrassing childish shit 

[Megadrive Man]

21 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Then give them a credible alternative. Keir Starmer would walk this.  Where is he, locked up with JRM? 

It doesn't matter who is in charge! They will be smeared left right and centre.

 

If Keir Starmer was in charge the media would describe him as undemocratic remainer, Stammering Starmer. They would dig up anything and everything they could use as a stick to beat him with, just like they did to Brown, Milliband and now Corbyn. 

 

You're a smart lad you must be able to see this?

[Megadrive Man]

18 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

I don’t think so.  
 

Without Corbyn I’m pretty sure Labour would be all out remain and I’d vote for them.  Because Brexit is a shit storm.  Corbyn wants Brexit, that’s the opinion of lots of voters.  I think they are right.  So, if it suits me I’d vote labour.  Just like now With the Tories  it doesn’t mean i agree with all their policies, just that on balance the likelihood is id benefit. That’s why I’m voting Lib Dem now. 

 

The main reason Labour are losing this election is because there leave voters have deserted them to vote for the Tories. 

 

Explain how Labour could win 326+ seats based on an out and out remain platform? 

 

The Lib Dems are standing on an out and out remain platform and are on course to have about 1 or 2 more seats than they did two years ago.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

The main reason Labour are losing this election is because there leave voters have deserted them to vote for the Tories. 

 

 

Then why does everybody keep saying the election is not about Brexit?

[Bobby Hundreds]

Brexit is oven ready. On December 13 it will all be done and dusted, every deal signed! with us obviously getting the best of every trade agreement because we are good old Britain and the business world is very charitable.

[Anubis]

7 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Brexit is oven ready. On December 13 it will all be done and dusted, every deal signed! with us obviously getting the best of every trade agreement because we are good old Britain and the business world is very charitable.

Empire 2.0.

[Anubis]

Long thread. But an alternative opinion,

 

 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Einhorn is German for Unicorn. 

[Bjornebye]

Na o le tuanai atu, sa ou 'ai i laʻu vevela vevela ma talotalo mai e le au uso le pese a lana moa' Boris Boris 'ona ia fasi ai lea o se ulu i luga ma mail ai is Samoan for It just went past, I was eating my hot-dog and the weird cunt waved his cock shouting 'Boris Boris' then he hit a lampost head on and died. 

[Denny Crane]

Apparently voting was open to all members of the SPD for the first time in Germany. A lefty called Norbet and Saskia won beating the centrist pairing according to this article. The SPD had been in a battle about which political direction to take. 

 

 

 

 

[sir roger]

Most Germans called Norbert turn out okay.

[redinblack62]

On 29/11/2019 at 16:54, Rico1304 said:

But a vast majority of people aren’t involved or engaged. Show them multiple pictures and videos of him calling terrorists ‘friends’ and it’s not hard to say he’s sympathetic. Because he is.  
His first instinct is to be anti-west and he’s provided examples of that.  So for people like lots on here he’s just what they want.  But for most ‘normal’ voters he’s easily discredited. That’s a fact. 

It isnt fact, its how you make stuff fit your agenda. Its what you think, and you are talking with your dick out, you are saying "fact" but it isnt. 

 

If you dont think people should engage with alternative viewpoints, Im sure you can tell us how The Good Friday Agreement could have been formulated without such engagement. But then again you wont, because you probably dont give a fuck as it doesnt affect you.

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, redinblack62 said:

It isnt fact, its how you make stuff fit your agenda. Its what you think, and you are talking with your dick out, you are saying "fact" but it isnt. 

 

If you dont think people should engage with alternative viewpoints, Im sure you can tell us how The Good Friday Agreement could have been formulated without such engagement. But then again you wont, because you probably dont give a fuck as it doesnt affect you.

Corbyn was described as a nuisance by Mo Molam.  He did nothing of note and had nothing to offer.  And of course the NI situation impacts me, I don’t like getting blown up. 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Istvan Kosma said:

Well long as you're alright. Pure tory thinking and along the same lines as how a drug dealer can think.

Those days are long gone.  

[Pidge]

On 30/11/2019 at 11:12, A Red said:

I am not a tory,

Fair enough, it's a great impression. Rory Bremner would be proud.

[Dr Nowt]

9 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Fair enough, it's a great impression. Rory Bremner would be proud.

Hahaha.

[Scooby Dudek]

Speaking of great impressions;

 

This does not contain them and it is not funny but worth a watch;

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I can't believe that anti-Semitic cunt Corbyn went to the unveiling of a statue to an anti-Semitic, racist, anti-Catholic admirer of Hitler. 

 

The media are going to kill him for this.

[A Red]

3 hours ago, Pidge said:

Fair enough, it's a great impression. Rory Bremner would be proud.

An inverted pyramid of piffle

[Creator Supreme]

13 minutes ago, A Red said:

An inverted pyramid of de Pfeffel

 

[Dr Nowt]

Oborne on Corbyn.

[moof]

Fantastic that from Oborne. Well said

[aRdja]

Huge.

 

 

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IPSO upholds Labour activist’s accuracy complaint against JC

Following publication of four articles headlined “Ex-Militant Tendency activist accused of bullying Louise Ellman lied about date of birth to rejoin Labour”, published online on 25 February 2019; “Plot to oust MP Ellman spearheaded by a former member of the Trotskyist Militant Tendency”, published online on 25 February 2019; “’Bullied’ Louise Ellman nears exit”, published in print on 1 March 2019; “Labour MP Dame Louise Ellman ‘considering her future’ in party amid rumours of more resignations”, published online on 1 March 2019, Audrey White complained to the Independent Press Standards Organisation that the Jewish Chronicle breached Clause 1 (Accuracy) of the Editors’ Code of Practice. The complaint was upheld, and IPSO required the Jewish Chronicle to publish this adjudication.

The articles reported that the complainant had been “expelled” from the Labour Party in the 1980s, by the then leadership. It said that she had then “lied” about her date of birth on her application to re-join the Party in 2015, “on the day Jeremy Corbyn became leader.” The articles also claimed that during the complainant’s local Constituency Labour Party (CLP) meeting, the complainant had been “amongst a group of militants who repeatedly interrupted” their MP while she delivered a speech. The articles also said that the complainant had “received a number of formal warnings from the Party over allegations of bullying against Party members “, and said that she had “falsely claimed that a Labour councillor was under investigation by the police for having ‘cruelly taunted’ a ‘disabled pensioner suffering from cancer’”. One article reported that the complainant had been a member of the Socialist Party.

The complainant denied all the allegations made against her, as set out above. She provided a copy of an email from the Governance and Legal Unit of the Labour Party, which stated that the Party had been “unable to trace a surviving record of a previous membership” or that the complainant was in the past “expelled from membership”. This correspondence also confirmed that “no change” had been made to her membership record”, which continued to record the complainant’s correct date of birth.  The complainant said that she had received one formal warning from the Labour Party, but this did not refer to allegations of bullying. 

The newspaper said that it had relied upon confidential sources to report that the complainant had been “expelled” from the Labour Party in the 1980s, and had subsequently “lied” on her application to re-join, by use of a “false” date of birth.

The Committee wished to explain that publications are entitled to make use of anonymous sources and to protect their identity in line with their obligations under Clause 14 (Confidential sources). However, in this instance, the newspaper had not taken any additional steps to investigate or corroborate the source’s claim that the complainant had been “expelled” from the Labour Party in the 1980s, nor had it produced any evidence to support this easily verifiable claim. Similarly, it had produced no evidence that the complainant had, in fact, entered an incorrect date of birth in her application to re-join the Party in 2015, and had done so intentionally. The newspaper had not been able to demonstrate that it had taken care over the accuracy of the article on these two points; the result was a breach of Clause 1 (i).

The combination of these two claims, and their adoption by the publication as fact, gave rise to the clear impression that the complainant, in her recent dealings with the Labour Party, had acted with an intention to deceive. This impression was furthered in the first article, which claimed that the complainant had used a “false” date of birth to re-join the Party “on the day Jeremy Corbyn became leader”, which suggested that the complainant’s actions had been politically motivated. Upon receipt of the correspondence from the Governance and Legal Unit of the Labour Party, the newspaper had not offered to correct these significantly misleading claims, in breach of Clause 1 (ii).

The Committee listened to the partial recording of the CLP meeting provided during IPSO’s investigation. It was apparent to the Committee that the MP had spoken in a consistent and conversational tone; the crowd had not been “rowdy”, as alleged. In any event, the statement from the former Mayor of Liverpool, which the newspaper had referenced in support of the claim that the complainant had “repeatedly interrupted” the MP while she had delivered her speech, clearly did not demonstrate that the complainant, or a group which she was a part of, had conducted themselves in this way. The statement provided by the newspaper supported the complainant’s position that she had responded to an open invitation to ask questions. The publication of this claim represented a further failure to take care over the accuracy of the article, in breach of Clause 1 (i) and gave a significantly misleading impression of the complainant’s conduct towards the Labour MP during the meeting, which the newspaper had not offered to correct, in breach of Clause 1 (ii).

The newspaper had provided a letter from the Labour Party, in which the complainant had been issued with a formal warning regarding her conduct. It stated that the complainant’s comments and actions had “caused offence” and “upset and distress” to the individuals concerned. Given the nature of this alleged conduct, it was not a failure to take care not to publish inaccurate information, to report that an allegation of “bullying”, made against the complainant, had resulted in her receiving a formal warning from the Labour Party. Yet, the newspaper had not been able to produce any further evidence to demonstrate that the complainant had received a “number” of warnings following allegations of bullying, as claimed. The single letter produced by the newspaper did not support this claim, and accordingly there was a breach of Clause 1 (i).  To report that the complainant had received multiple warnings from the Party was significant, as it gave credibility to a central thrust of the articles, which was that the complainant’s conduct in relation to her dealings with individuals within the Labour Party had consistently fallen below the standards expected. No correction had been offered to address this significantly misleading claim, in breach of Clause 1 (ii).
It was plainly not “false” to claim this; during IPSO’s investigation the complainant had provided correspondence between the alleged victim and the Hate Crime Support Service, which referred to the actions taken by the police in respect of the “hate incident” allegation. The publication had published a claim the accuracy of which it could not defend; the result was a breach of Clause 1 (i). The articles’ claim that the complainant had made “false” allegations concerning the actions of the police, was significant given its seriousness, and furthered the misleading impression of the complainant’s conduct towards Labour politicians. Upon receipt of the correspondence provided by the complainant, the newspaper had not offered to correct this significantly inaccurate claim, in breach of Clause 1 (ii).

The newspaper had produced no evidence to demonstrate that the complainant had been a member of the Socialist Party. The Committee did not accept that a person showing support for the values of a political Party, was the same as showing support by way of membership. This factual assertion, which the newspaper had failed to defend, represented a breach of Clause 1(i), and the failure to correct the error represented a breach of Clause 1(ii).

The Committee expressed significant concerns about the newspaper’s handling of this complaint. The newspaper had failed, on a number of occasions, to answer questions put to it by IPSO and it was regrettable the newspaper’s responses had been delayed. The Committee considered that the publication’s conduct during IPSO’s investigation was unacceptable.

The Committee’s concerns have been drawn to the attention of IPSO’s Standards department.

 

[Bjornebye]

No surprise at all. Another rag full of lies, smear and co-ordinated harassment. Lets hope the media properly report this. 

 

 

Oh no, will they fuck.