Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

11 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, course it will. 

The thing with price caps for utilities, is it means they'll struggle to operate profitably as private companies. Honestly, I can't think of a single way to resolve this dilemma. 

[Duff Man]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

I hope they get a better wage and secure contracts. If the tories had come out with the same line (however unlikely you think that would be) and were paying their staff less, you might also have questioned it.

What line? Labour's policy is a minimum wage of £10, and they're paying their own workers more than that.

[Numero Veinticinco]

2 hours ago, moof said:

Reminds me of the time Rees Mogg thought a loaf of bread cost a fiver 

To be fair, when you have a live-in baker  things can get pricey.

[moof]

13 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

To be fair, when you have a live-in baker  things can get pricey.

That’s a good point, he’s had to fork out tuppence ha’penny on wages in the last month alone

[aRdja]

39 minutes ago, Duff Man said:

What line? Labour's policy is a minimum wage of £10, and they're paying their own workers more than that.

It is really an odd ‘hill to die on’.

[aRdja]

Why are the right so scared of him?

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Terrifying. 

[Megadrive Man]

3 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

"You should pay your workers £15 an hour"
"But you only pay yours £10 an hour"

"Yeah, but that's different, because it is"

I've worked in both fast food and a call centre, you do realise they are completely different jobs with different working hours and requirements?

 

The £15 an hour is what The McDonalds workers are aiming to get, not what they actually get now. That is their starting point, they probably won't actually get that amount. The figure of £15 comes from the Mcdonalds staff, its not what Corbyn is telling McDonalds to pay them!

 

You really are barking up the wrong acorn here. 

 

 

 

[Gooch]

1 hour ago, MegadriveMan said:

I've worked in both fast food and a call centre, you do realise they are completely different jobs with different working hours and requirements?

 

The £15 an hour is what The McDonalds workers are aiming to get, not what they actually get now. That is their starting point, they probably won't actually get that amount. The figure of £15 comes from the Mcdonalds staff, its not what Corbyn is telling McDonalds to pay them!

 

You really are barking up the wrong acorn here. 

 

 

 

Surely the below is at least tacitly suggesting that they pay them £15 an hour? Yes it's not his policy per say, but it reeks of populist bandwagon hopping shite that won't really get anyone anywhere in the long term.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1194366670690750465

 

[A Red]

8 hours ago, Duff Man said:

What line? Labour's policy is a minimum wage of £10, and they're paying their own workers more than that.

I didnt say Labour are underpaying their staff, indeed as you say its 55p more than the rate they would introduce as a minimum. Well done to them, its fair enough. No arguments.

 

The line that i am querying is Corbyn encouraging support for action in order for Mcdonalds to pay £15 when Labour only pay 2/3 of that for their unskilled workers. Unskilled is a harsh term I dont like btw. Urging fair contracts i can understand but not the pay level. Like I said, if Boris had done the same you might be raising an eyebrow.

 

 

[A Red]

7 hours ago, moof said:

That’s a good point, he’s had to fork out tuppence ha’penny on wages in the last month alone

My god, thats nearly the price of a months membership here.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Gooch said:

Surely the below is at least tacitly suggesting that they pay them £15 an hour? Yes it's not his policy per say, but it reeks of populist bandwagon hopping shite that won't really get anyone anywhere in the long term.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1194366670690750465

 

Supporting workers who are fighting for their pay and conditions isn't "populist bandwagon hopping" - it is the Labour Party's raison d'etre.  It's what we should be doing every day. 

[aRdja]

Jeremy Corbyn: Junior Doctors starting salary should really be more than £23k. I mean in Australia it’s double that.

 

The right and centrists: Lolz you pay your call centre workers £21k. Fucking hypocrite. Gotcha.

 

viRdjil: eh?

[Megadrive Man]

7 hours ago, Gooch said:

Surely the below is at least tacitly suggesting that they pay them £15 an hour? Yes it's not his policy per say, but it reeks of populist bandwagon hopping shite that won't really get anyone anywhere in the long term.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/1194366670690750465

 

He is making a point about how if workers all work together they can change things.

 

What was he supposed to write?

 

Well done McDonald's workers for taking on your bosses, I think £15 an hour is a bit steep mind, don't be greedy!

[cloggypop]

16 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Decent wage for call-centre staff that. Above minimum wage as well. Go on Jezza lad. 

 

Funnily enough I have just tried to go onto the Lib-Dem job page assuming of course that they pay more than Labour. Guess what.... Its down for maintenance. 

 

https://www.libdems.org.uk/work_for_us

 

 

 

Voluntary phone bank manager is up there now. 

[Dr Nowt]

 

[Strontium]

5 hours ago, viRdjil said:

Jeremy Corbyn: Junior Doctors starting salary should really be more than £23k. I mean in Australia it’s double that.

 

The right and centrists: Lolz you pay your call centre workers £21k. Fucking hypocrite. Gotcha.

 

viRdjil: eh?

 

Are you seriously comparing doctors and burger flippers?

[aRdja]

4 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

Are you seriously comparing doctors and burger flippers?

I was quite happy not to bring other professions into this, but I thought I’d play along with your game.

[Strontium]

Just now, viRdjil said:

I was quite happy not to bring other professions into this, but I thought I’d play along with your game.

 

My game was comparing like with like. Yours is to commit a logical fallacy.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

My game was comparing like with like. Yours is to commit a logical fallacy.

Call centre workers and fast food workers are "like with like"?

[Duff Man]

6 hours ago, A Red said:

I didnt say Labour are underpaying their staff, indeed as you say its 55p more than the rate they would introduce as a minimum. Well done to them, its fair enough. No arguments.

 

The line that i am querying is Corbyn encouraging support for action in order for Mcdonalds to pay £15 when Labour only pay 2/3 of that for their unskilled workers. Unskilled is a harsh term I dont like btw. Urging fair contracts i can understand but not the pay level. Like I said, if Boris had done the same you might be raising an eyebrow.

I'd welcome it. Politicians lending their support to workers in these situations can only be a good thing in my book. I certainly wouldn't be focusing on some tenuous claim of hypocrisy.

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Call centre workers and fast food workers are "like with like"?

 

They're both jobs which require little or no experience or special training, so yes. And neither is remotely like a career in medicine.

[Duff Man]

The absolute state of that Spooner guy's twitter, by the way. Jesus christ.

 

 

[Strontium]

5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Supporting workers who are fighting for their pay and conditions isn't "populist bandwagon hopping" - it is the Labour Party's raison d'etre.  It's what we should be doing every day. 

 

Yes, quite.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/20/labour-staff-could-strike-over-pay-amid-concerns-at-office-culture

 

Quote

Labour staff, including some in Jeremy Corbyn’s office, are contemplating strike action over allegedly paltry pay rates amid anger at the management style of his chief-of-staff, Karie Murphy.

 

The Guardian understands Labour made an improved pay offer to staff of an annual rise of 2.2% on Thursday – but that falls short of the staff’s demand for a rise in line with RPI inflation, which stood at 3% in April.

The dispute covers all Labour staff, including those at its Southside HQ in Westminster and in the regions, and involves both the GMB and Unite unions.

Several employees the Guardian spoke to, on condition of anonymity, said there were particular concerns about the management culture in Corbyn’s office, which they described as ruthless.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

14 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

My game was comparing like with like. Yours is to commit a logical fallacy.

Just how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?