Another US Shooting

[PestiRed]

If you can't afford private healthcare, then God hates you and wants you to die

[Captain]

As of yesterday citizens of Texas are again allowed to carry their handguns openly in public.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Crazy graph from the beeb

 

[Captain]

I must admit, for me the crazy part is the they have three times the suicide rate of their neighbours.

 

Not that guns are the preferred method of killing yourself.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

That's the homicide rate. As in murder.

[Captain]

Ah sorry, misread it. 

[Strontium]

That graph doesn't tell the whole story, of course. Homicide rates vary widely across the US. Some states have murder rates as low as Western Europe, even with legalised guns.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

That graph doesn't tell the whole story, of course. Homicide rates vary widely across the US. Some states have murder rates as low as Western Europe, even with legalised guns.

 

While that may be true, that also means the states that bring that average up have much worse homicide rates.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I blame the washing machines.

 

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/california-dad-killed-son-argument-165852452.html

 

A New Year's Eve fight ended in a quadruple killing when a man killed his wife and two others, before his son fatally shot him. The victims were the son's 48-year-old girlfriend, who also lived at the property in Rowlands Height, California, as well as a 27-year-old man who was visiting.

"We're still trying to corroborate the versions of events that occurred and what we're being told occurred," sheriff's lieutenant John Corina said. "It looks like it was a dispute between the dad and the son's girlfriend, probably over using the washing machine. For some reason, this set the dad off."

The 54-year-old father was a heavy drinker with a large gun collection, according to authorities. The mother and brother of the 27-year-old who was killed told the San Gabriel Valley Tribune his name was Ernesto Calzadilla and that he had an eight-month-old daughter.

Maria Cruz confirmed that her son, Ernesto Calzadilla was among the dead. She did not know the family, but her son had socialised with them.

"He would always come around and hang around here because they were really nice to him," Cruz said. "I think the dad had some issues, mental issues."

A neighbour said the family was known for partying. "It looks like they drink heavily every day," Corina said.

Christopher Morey, the 33-year-old son managed to wrestle the semi-automatic pistol away from his father and shot him. Morey is being held on suspicion of murder and on $1m bail, authorities said an NBC report.

According to a police official, Morey and his girlfriend were staying at the Rowland Heights house to look after the 54-year-old mother, who had recently suffered a stroke. "They had been taking care of her," Corina said. "She was in a hospital bed there in the middle of the living room."

 

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It just seems so matter-of-fact that a man who was a heavy drinker with mental-health problems had a large gun collection.  And there are people who can't see what's wrong with this picture.

[Hades]

@GroverNorquist

Why does Obama rant about gun control?

We could solve 2/3 of gun deaths by outlawing suicide.

Let's try that first.

 

[cloggypop]

An armed militia in Oregon has taken over a wildlife refuge. Can't see it ending well.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/03/oregon-militia-threatens-showdown-with-us-agents-at-wildlife-refuge

 

[Hooch]

'MURICA

[cloggypop]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/oregon-occupation-militia-willing-to-kill-or-be-killed-occupy-us-wildlife-reserve-a6794366.html

[Strontium]

While that may be true, that also means the states that bring that average up have much worse homicide rates.

 

Unquestionably. However it does suggest that guns in and of themselves are not the problem.

[Strontium]

An armed militia in Oregon has taken over a wildlife refuge. Can't see it ending well.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/03/oregon-militia-threatens-showdown-with-us-agents-at-wildlife-refuge

 

I spent three very happy days birdwatching at Malheur in 1997. I do hope the wildlife remains unharmed.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Unquestionably. However it does suggest that guns in and of themselves are not the problem.

At least not the whole of the problem. Compare the low states, which match the European average, with the lowest sections/areas in Europe and surely they'd be higher.

 

It's a complicated problem, when you mix the lack of mental health care/awareness, lack of control over who is allowed a gun, how many and what types, the disparity between rich and poor, the existing and ongoing culture, and probably many more.

 

I definitely don't think it should be as easy for anyone have a gun as it is. It's a recipe for disaster. Nutters, murderers etc will usually find a way but if every single person was carrying a gun, it's too easy for arguments to escalate into murders.

[Hooch]

Things like this, the mass shootings, the police racism and brutality, even that Making a Murder documentary all put me right of ever wanting to live in the States, and it used to be my dream.

[Rico1304]

There's a guy on Twitter @igorvolsky who has tracked all the senators making pro-gun statements to NRA donations. Money talks.

[TheHowieLama]

There's a guy on Twitter @igorvolsky who has tracked all the senators making pro-gun statements to NRA donations. Money talks.

 

Good work Rico.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

There's a guy on Twitter @igorvolsky who has tracked all the senators making pro-gun statements to NRA donations. Money talks.

"You gotta dance with them what brung ya!"

[AngryOfTuebrook]

An armed militia in Oregon has taken over a wildlife refuge. Can't see it ending well.

 

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/03/oregon-militia-threatens-showdown-with-us-agents-at-wildlife-refuge

[Rico1304]

Just started listening to the Sam Harris essay 'The Riddle of the Gun' - very challenging as I'd ban them all.

[lifetime fan]

Unquestionably. However it does suggest that guns in and of themselves are not the problem.

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

[General Dryness]

Guns don't kill people, bullets do.

Chris Rock nailed it when he said if bullets cost 5000 dollars each, there'd be no such thing as innocent bystanders.

[lifetime fan]

Chris Rock nailed it when he said if bullets cost 5000 dollars each, there'd be no such thing as innocent bystanders.

Haha - you knew exactly where I was coming from.