Tory Country

[stringvest]

Christ.  Won't somebody think of the comfortably off?

[Vincent Vega]

I'm confused, why would Jews push an Islamic agenda?

[Skidfingers McGonical]

I'm confused, why would Jews push an Islamic agenda?

 

Blame Nicolas Anelka's mate.

[Big Ig]

Whoa, ol' Benjamin there just went full retard... you don't ever go FULL retard...

 

 

[Moctezuma]

They say never read below the line but some of the highest rated comments on this are seriously grim...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27531094

[Tony Moanero]

Fuck the blue nose cunts.

[Section_31]

Predicted political map of Britain after this election. 

 

[Ginny]

So basically more people are supporting Tory policies than any other. What does this say about what people actually want?

[Section_31]

So basically more people are supporting Tory policies than any other. What does this say about what people actually want?

It's because Gordon Brown maxed out the credit card and had a funny eyeball. Barack Obama also consorted with terrorists.

[JagSquared]

I've been surprised how many of my, uni mates are voting Tory. They are all fairly liberal in their views but have the opinion the current lot are doing a good job and are the best bet to move us forward with an almost "better the devil you know" attitude.

 

Even if I disagreed with them It was interesting to hear their opinions and thought processes on voting conservative.

 

Massively different when I speak to my mates from back home who are all anti Tory. But guess the difference here is that we grew up in areas decimated by the Tories.

[Bjornebye]

The reason conservatives will win this election is because Milliband is a mong and the labour leadership is full of weak cunts.

[Section_31]

I've been surprised how many of my, uni mates are voting Tory. They are all fairly liberal in their views but have the opinion the current lot are doing a good job and are the best bet to move us forward with an almost "better the devil you know" attitude. Even if I disagreed with them It was interesting to hear their opinions and thought processes on voting conservative. Massively different when I speak to my mates from back home who are all anti Tory. But guess the difference here is that we grew up in areas decimated by the Tories.

 

 

The irony is that it's not even 'proper' Conservatism, it's neo-conservatism pure and simple. 

 

They're about as interested in England's 'green and pleasant land' as Labour are in unionising steel mills. 

 

Politics on both sides of the pond is now just divided into different factions of the big business party. 

 

I can actually imagine Clegg and Cameron genuinely getting on quite well. PPE Oxbridge types, big bank accounts, wealthy wives, fancying themselves as quite progressive because they don't have a problem with gay marriage, and fancying the rank and file of both their parties as dinosaurs. Both of them utterly committed to the notion that liberal free market economics is the way to go.

 

This is pretty much the only politics now. Cameron probably thinks the 1922 committee is something to do with the Poppy Appeal.  

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

The reason conservatives will win this election is because Milliband is a mong and the labour leadership is full of weak cunts.

They're not going to win anything. Just like they didn't last time. They might wangle their way back into power, via a coalition of hatred with UKIP, but they'll not win.

[Jairzinho]

They shouldn't even have the chance of wangling their way back into power. A decent leader of a proper Labour Party would have crushed them.

[Section_31]

They shouldn't even have the chance of wangling their way back into power. A decent leader of a proper Labour Party would have crushed them.

 

 I honestly don't know if that's true. Traditional labour values don't resonate with the masses. David Cameron modelled himself on the most successful Labour leader in modern times, think about that one! 

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

They shouldn't even have the chance of wangling their way back into power. A decent leader of a proper Labour Party would have crushed them.

Proper Labour? Old Labour values aren't popular Jair. Just the way it is.

[Major Tom]

 I honestly don't know if that's true. Traditional labour values don't resonate with the masses. David Cameron modelled himself on the most successful Labour leader in modern times, think about that one! 

 

Agreed. I think England is a right leaning country and, without the Scots, Labour wouldn't get a look in. And now they probably only will if they get into bed with the SNP.

 

Two party politics has also gone for good, methinks. Whether the Tories or Labour accept it or not. Surely not too far away from a PR referendum.

[mattyq]

Agreed. I think England is a right leaning country and, without the Scots, Labour wouldn't get a look in. And now they probably only will if they get into bed with the SNP.

 

Two party politics has also gone for good, methinks. Whether the Tories or Labour accept it or not. Surely not too far away from a PR referendum.

England isn't really a right leaning country. Parts of it are but large parts aren't.

The latest election is neck & neck. I can't copy & paste but this map gives you an accurate representation of the state of play right now.

As you can see the Tories dominate the SE and SW and parts of the East Midlands. Labour everywhere else

 

https://yougov.co.uk/#/centre

[Jairzinho]

 I honestly don't know if that's true. Traditional labour values don't resonate with the masses. David Cameron modelled himself on the most successful Labour leader in modern times, think about that one! 

 

I think that's an appalling indictment on the British population if true, and I'm not convinced it is. People still support traditional labour values, it's evident in polls about nationalising industry, wage levels, etc. They just aren't represented by a major party. The Labour Party would rather represent the banks than millions of working class people. Obviously having a right of centre dominated press, half of it owned by one fucking man, doesn't help, but it should have been a pretty easy sell for Labour at this election. The rich cunted the country, and the poor are paying for it. They needed a strong leader to push this message down everyone's throats, not vote for more fucking austerity. They also needed to embrace alternative media sources. Nah, they're just another gang of neo liberal cunts engaged in our sham of a democracy.

 

A lot of people will vote Tory because the mainstream media's message is largely "Vote Tory, everything is fucking ace". Well, it's the fault of the Labour Party for not dismantling this hateful lie. I don't even really blame Miliband all that much, he seems okay. He's probably far more left wing than he lets on, but the party basically does what the City wants, it does what the Labour Friends of Israel wants, it's filled with Blair robots. It's not like they have to become Communists, just actual democratic socialists putting the needs of the many first. I think if they promoted the message properly they'd be pleasantly surprised by the reaction of the public.

[Jairzinho]

Proper Labour? Old Labour values aren't popular Jair. Just the way it is.

 

I completely disagree.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Then you're wrong, mate.

[Jairzinho]

Okay.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Agreed. I think England is a right leaning country and, without the Scots, Labour wouldn't get a look in. And now they probably only will if they get into bed with the SNP.

 

Two party politics has also gone for good, methinks. Whether the Tories or Labour accept it or not. Surely not too far away from a PR referendum.

Disagree with most of that.

[Section_31]

I completely disagree.

 

I hope you're right, but I think if you move in those circles it can distort your view of what's actually going on out there. I think people who are informed tend to be more left wing/liberal, but many genuinely aren't interested in politics and just tend to go with the overall feeling. 

 

It seems like a lifetime ago but don't forget the Tories were only ousted after 18 years and only after a recession and a huge amount of internal scandal, and only by Tony Blair, the second he was replaced as leader the party nosedived (it amuses me how the 'Iraq War' was levelled at Brown as one of the reasons he lost, even though Blair won an election in 2005 while the whole debacle was still very raw.

 

I think if William Hague or Iain Duncan Smith were still in charge of the Tories they'd be struggling more than they are, that's what it comes down to, image. Look at UKIP, they're a party of genuine mentalists but are doing alright purely because Farage gets photographed in pubs.

 

If you peel it all back though and ask people what they actually believe, there's be more people who go along with the traditional Tory views of tough justice, home ownership, the public sector is full of lazy bastards rather than left wing Labour views - certainly in England any way. 

[Major Tom]

England isn't really a right leaning country. Parts of it are but large parts aren't.

The latest election is neck & neck. I can't copy & paste but this map gives you an accurate representation of the state of play right now.

As you can see the Tories dominate the SE and SW and parts of the East Midlands. Labour everywhere else

 

https://yougov.co.uk/#/centre

 

Yeah, maybe.

 

The gov't really needs to reflect the vote share, though. Looked at one election and a difference of 700,000 - in a total of 18,000,000 - votes equated to 160 seats. How is that equitable?