The god Delusion: Richard Dawkins

[Rotpeter]

If you equate giving people control over their own bodies and procreation is 'playing god' you need help.

I don't equate those things.

[stevebaby]

At least he was when he was alive.

At the time I wrote that post, Hitchens was very much alive and still writing. He died in December 2011 and the date on my post is March 2011.

[PestiRed]

Rico, we both know that the context of those texts was not what you are desperately trying to pretend it is. Dawkins, with his usual arrogance, fucked up and showed the world what he truly thinks of anyone lesser than him ( and that includes you and me, by the way). He's an intelligent bloke and he uses language carefully and accurately. If he meant "this is just my opinion" he would have said it. He was asked advice about by a young woman about what she should do if she finds out she is carrying a child with Downs Syndrome and he said it was immoral to knowingly give birth to a Downs Syndrome child if you have a choice. He did not say it was just his opinion, he said it as a clear fact. He did not say that it was ok for a pregnant mother to choose to keep a pregnancy diagnosed as Downs Syndrome, he said it would be immoral. He is not pro-choice, he is pro-his opinion.

 

You can make all the excuses you want but it's simply bullshit. And, by the way, Dawkins being a wanker and wrong on this issue does not mean that evolution has been disproved. Only an arrogant cunt like Dawkins would think that

[Rico1304]

Rico, we both know that the context of those texts was not what you are desperately trying to pretend it is. Dawkins, with his usual arrogance, fucked up and showed the world what he truly thinks of anyone lesser than him ( and that includes you and me, by the way). He's an intelligent bloke and he uses language carefully and accurately. If he meant "this is just my opinion" he would have said it. He was asked advice about by a young woman about what she should do if she finds out she is carrying a child with Downs Syndrome and he said it was immoral to knowingly give birth to a Downs Syndrome child if you have a choice. He did not say it was just his opinion, he said it as a clear fact. He did not say that it was ok for a pregnant mother to choose to keep a pregnancy diagnosed as Downs Syndrome, he said it would be immoral. He is not pro-choice, he is pro-his opinion.

You can make all the excuses you want but it's simply bullshit. And, by the way, Dawkins being a wanker and wrong on this issue does not mean that evolution has been disproved. Only an arrogant cunt like Dawkins would think that

Well made up, very well made up. Christ.

[Rico1304]

Ha ha - check Twitter

 

Seems I was right...

[PestiRed]

You mean his back-tracking once the shitstorm starts and his publicist has rung him to say stop being a wanker?

[Strontium]

So he's saying it's immoral to inflict crushing lifelong disability on a person if you have the option not to. Cannot see the issue with that. At all.

[PestiRed]

So he's saying it's immoral to inflict crushing lifelong disability on a person if you have the option not to. Cannot see the issue with that. At all.

Shut up and play with your toys, the grown-ups are having a discussion

[Rico1304]

So he's saying it's immoral to inflict crushing lifelong disability on a person if you have the option not to. Cannot see the issue with that. At all.

I think it goes further than that, he's saying you can prevent it before the cluster of cells becomes a person.

[PestiRed]

I think it goes further than that, he's saying you can prevent it before the cluster of cells becomes a person.

No, he's saying it's immoral not to. That your choice to raise a child with certain disabilities makes you a bad person. Basically that you don't really have a choice. I'd be interested in knowing what other conditions he considers immoral for parents to allow

[Rico1304]

No, he's saying it's immoral not to. That your choice to raise a child with certain disabilities makes you a bad person. Basically that you don't really have a choice. I'd be interested in knowing what other conditions he considers immoral for parents to allow

Have you been on a creative reading course?

[PestiRed]

Presumably you've been on a creative excuses course, probably compulsory for your job.

 

Just to remind you, you don't have to give up all your belief in atheism if you admit that Dawkins is a bit of a wanker and is sometimes wrong

 

 

Stronts, this is preemptive -go to your room and leave the adults alone

[Rico1304]

Presumably you've been on a creative excuses course, probably compulsory for your job.

Just to remind you, you don't have to give up all your belief in atheism if you admit that Dawkins is a bit of a wanker and is sometimes wrong

Stronts, this is preemptive -go to your room and leave the adults alone

Of course he's wrong on some things, show me where I said he wasn't? Maybe you've got your knickers in a twist because you are a god botherer.

[Frank Dacey]

It's a bit scarily like Eugenics

[Guest davelfc]

I think he's entitled to his opinion on that, it's not like he's the one making the decision. Nor is he ever likely to be making that decision in the future. It was something that myself and my partner spoke about during the pregnancy of all of our kids and we came to our own decision on that.

 

Ultimately the decision rests with the parents. I really think this is another chance for a rag to make something from nothing. 

[Rico1304]

It's a bit scarily like Eugenics

No it isn't. Read.

[PestiRed]

I've got my knickers in a twist because I support atheism (although not at the cost of tolerance to religious belief) and the most famous advocate is an utter wanker. He's unnecessarily controversial and has delusions of grandeur and says utterly ridiculous things. He's wrong on this and you can't contextualise it away.

 

I would imagine it's like being a Tory and finding out that Cameron in is charge

[PestiRed]

I think he's entitled to his opinion on that, it's not like he's the one making the decision. Nor is he ever likely to be making that decision in the future. It was something that myself and my partner spoke about during the pregnancy of all of our kids and we came to our own decision on that.

 

Ultimately the decision rests with the parents. I really think this is another chance for a rag to make something from nothing.

 

Yes it's your decision and it's not for someone else to tell you that one of the choices is immoral

[Guest davelfc]

Yes it's your decision and it's not for someone else to tell you that one of the choices is immoral

 

Wrong, it's entirely up to them to have their opinion of what we may have decided. That's called 'their opinion' which is lost on a lot people these days.

[Rico1304]

Wrong, it's entirely up to them to have their opinion of what we may have decided. That's called 'their opinion' which is lost on a lot people these days.

A rational voice in a sea of bollocks. Well said.

[Rico1304]

I've got my knickers in a twist because I support atheism (although not at the cost of tolerance to religious belief) and the most famous advocate is an utter wanker. He's unnecessarily controversial and has delusions of grandeur and says utterly ridiculous things. He's wrong on this and you can't contextualise it away.

I would imagine it's like being a Tory and finding out that Cameron in is charge

You accuse him of being arrogant but deny him the right of an opinion. Look closer to home.

[Thomo123]

Wrong, it's entirely up to them to have their opinion of what we may have decided. That's called 'their opinion' which is lost on a lot people these days.

And in my opinion it makes him a cunt.

[Thomo123]

You accuse him of being arrogant but deny him the right of an opinion. Look closer to home.

And I reserve the right to call you a cunt for having differing opinion to me. Because I am a fucking legend!

[Guest davelfc]

And in my opinion it makes him a cunt.

 

Well we both decided that we would terminate the pregnancy (if that was the case), so I guess that makes us cunts too. 

[Thomo123]

Well we both decided that we would terminate the pregnancy, so I guess that makes us cunts too.

Hardly, you made a decision based on a number of factors. He is a cunt as his initial tweet said it was Immoral not to make the choice to terminate. Either way doesn't make you immoral.