Darwin Nunez - Thoughts?

[stringvest]

2 hours ago, etho said:

He already did replace him that season. He literally took manes place and mane moved to number 9. Think people forget mane had lost a yard by then and Diaz signing arguably propelled us to what we almost achieved.

 

Also by that very harsh description you could describe alot of top forwards. I will say the cohesion and link play isn't quite there yet among our forwards bur that will come, just needs time. 

 

I didn't get the feeling that Diaz was that intrinsic to our success last year - at least not in comparison to the other forwards.  Then if we all agreed on everything, this would be RAWK.

[3 Stacks]

19 minutes ago, etho said:

Don't get the negativity, our forwards are fucking class. Absolute arsenal of brilliant players with different styles who, Salah excepted are only going to get better. 

You wouldn't want to play against any of them.

Until we have an attacking threat as effective as we used to have game in game out, or that is consistently top level, it doesn't really matter how good all 5 supposedly are.

[etho]

I'd say we look incredibly threatening going forward. If we're comparing them to absolute prime Salah Mane Firmino then of course they're not there yet. Youd struggle to sign 3 players in world football and put them on the pitch and have them play as well as that. So it's not really a fair comparison. But, it did take time for that combination to become what it did, and also mane was good but could be erratic and not world class for the first year or two. He became absolutely world class. 

So no they're not at that level, yet, but for me the signs are promising, I look forward to watching them all play and I have absolute faith they will be successful

[Bjornebye]

I love how gutted the fannies are that Nunez single handedly won us the game yesterday. 

[polymerpunkah]

How did he get one-on-one not once but twice at that point in the match?

 

If they can get him there regularly he'll be ace.

[Bobby Hundreds]

25 minutes ago, stringvest said:

 

I didn't get the feeling that Diaz was that intrinsic to our success last year - at least not in comparison to the other forwards.  Then if we all agreed on everything, this would be RAWK.

If this was rawk every single thread would of been locked years ago. They closed the transfer thread due to speculation.

[VladimirIlyich]

20 hours ago, Pidge said:

Big Jan Molby still got it.

[stringvest]

25 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

How did he get one-on-one not once but twice at that point in the match?

 

If they can get him there regularly he'll be ace.

 

not really compatible with the high press though.  I'd be quite happy to see us sitting a little deeper and more compact in this sort of game, reducing our exposure, while using our quick lads to dry bum the opposition. 

[polymerpunkah]

4 minutes ago, stringvest said:

 

not really compatible with the high press though.  I'd be quite happy to see us sitting a little deeper and more compact in this sort of game, reducing our exposure, while using our quick lads to dry bum the opposition. 

 

Someone made a similar point in the match thread (on phone, too lazy to check who).

 

More compact, more protection for defenders, etc.

 

And more teams are trying to press so more susceptible to the counter.

 

 

[Salou]

20 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

 

Someone made a similar point in the match thread (on phone, too lazy to check who).

 

More compact, more protection for defenders, etc.

 

And more teams are trying to press so more susceptible to the counter.

 

 

 

I think based on what Klopp has been saying in the post match it's clear (also mentioned in TLW pod) that this is how we want the team to play, but we haven't sorted out the 'compactness' part out yet hence why Darwin isn't playing. He's basically the cherry on top but unfortunately for us the rest of the cake is half baked so we can't put him up there yet. 

[Anubis]

7 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

We had a French teacher that looked like Zelda from Terrahawks. She was a scruffy cunt as well, used to have bits of egg yolk that she’d dribbled onto her clothes.

 

Me.

 

[Anubis]

So I take it we’re not selling him to Chelsea then?

[Creator Supreme]

7 hours ago, Vincent Vega said:

We had a French teacher that looked like Zelda from Terrahawks. She was a scruffy cunt as well, used to have bits of egg yolk that she’d dribbled onto her clothes.

Your French teacher was Jo Whiley?

[TD_LFC]

40 minutes ago, Salou said:

 

I think based on what Klopp has been saying in the post match it's clear (also mentioned in TLW pod) that this is how we want the team to play, but we haven't sorted out the 'compactness' part out yet hence why Darwin isn't playing. He's basically the cherry on top but unfortunately for us the rest of the cake is half baked so we can't put him up there yet. 

 

Seen this mentioned a few times and can't find where it was said, it's not on the Sky interview, LFC.TV interview or the post match press conference.

[Salou]

6 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Seen this mentioned a few times and can't find where it was said, it's not on the Sky interview, LFC.TV interview or the post match press conference.

 

Quote

“We need to create a new way to play football and Darwin can be a super part of that. His key strengths are exceptional, but we need to find stability as well. For him, everything will be fine.

 

Lifted this quote from from the Athletic article today but am sure there was a more detailed mention of this from Klopp somewhere else. 

[TD_LFC]

9 minutes ago, Salou said:

 

 

Lifted this quote from from the Athletic article today but am sure there was a more detailed mention of this from Klopp somewhere else. 

 

That looks like a chopped up, edited for brevity version of his Sky Sports post match interview (below) and the post match press conference.

 

But the stability Klopp is talking about is in the flow of games before the international break and how afterwards, when we go to three games a week, everyone will have a chance to play there part.

 

Unless there's another interview he's done floating around.

 

7 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

 

His comments were 

 

"It's early in the season we need to find stability, we need to find formation, we need to get results and then (after the international break) we play anyway our three days and everyone will play, there's no doubt about that. Even if Darwin had started the first three games he would not play more games afterwards because of the intensity, he can't, so we need to find a way of play again and that's what are, what we try to create this is a completely new team in with new key players that's how it is and so that needs time and so yes for him definitely he'll, strikers scores two goals and you can see he needs us I don't know what to get a smile out of his face, rightly so but, umm, but for the team it was super important that we got something like that you need these kind of things to grow together and you cannot create it you have to force it pretty much and the boys did that today, oh my god how much I enjoyed that..."

 

[Section_31]

When we bought him I thought it was a direct result of the way we were shut out by Madrid in the final and some other matches towards the end of the season (Chelsea?), we had the front three but it was all done in front of the other team's back four. We needed an old school sprinter who could run on to the through pass. For whatever reason though we've not tried to develop that side of our game or play to his strengths at all.

[TD_LFC]

2 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

When we bought him I thought it was a direct result of the way we were shut out by Madrid in the final and some other matches towards the end of the season (Chelsea?), we had the front three but it was all done in front of the other team's back four. We needed an old school sprinter who could run on to the through pass. For whatever reason though we've not tried to develop that side of our game or play to his strengths at all.

 

It was certainly sold as we need a game changer to counter the Madrid's of the world.

 

We're yet to see that put into practice yet though as we doggedly stick the the false 9 with two wide forwards.

[TheHowieLama]

You could wait a very long time to see a front three of the caliber of Mane, Firmino, Salah. In fact you may never see it again.

 

That said plenty of sides win alot of stuff without that kind of front three. 

[Lee909]

[Barrington Womble]

11 hours ago, Ashberry said:

It seems that often opinions of our players are decided by that of rival fans and even worse is that they are then taken as gospel truth.

 

The general consensus from neutral fans has been that Darwin is an Andy Carroll style flop that can't finish. The stats are clear that he has been a 1 goal in 3 game scorer. Not a shoddy return for young player in their first season settling in and it is encouraging that he could of had more considering the positions he was in at times.

 

The other opinion I found was that he was seen as a red card waiting to happen and that he had some attitude issue. This narrative was allowed to gain momentum after his red card and ban following Crystal Palace last year where Joachim Andersen went down like an ironing board. A similar situation occurring at this seasons opener v Chelsea with Enzo Fernandez and Jota, except Jota didn't go down and somehow got booked for it. Again the stats are clear, this time since that suspension Darwin received just a single yellow in throughout the rest of last season. 

 

Liverpool fans simply should not be fooled into believing this nonsense peddled by fans of other clubs desperate for our high-value signing to fail. 

Good post that. And I saw a stat on sky or motd2 that said since joining us, he has a goal involvement every (I think) 113 mins. If it's not that number, it's one or two either side. Either way, it's an impressive return. And even his haters think he hasn't got going yet. So what will he do when he does get going? 

 

Our forward line is great and the rebuild was maybe one of the toughest in football. It's just a shame we've not done the same in midfield and we're allowing the defence to drift to where the midfield was last season. 

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Good post that. And I saw a stat on sky or motd2 that said since joining us, he has a goal involvement every (I think) 113 mins. If it's not that number, it's one or two either side. Either way, it's an impressive return. And even his haters think he hasn't got going yet. So what will he do when he does get going? 

 

Our forward line is great and the rebuild was maybe one of the toughest in football. It's just a shame we've not done the same in midfield and we're allowing the defence to drift to where the midfield was last season. 

Another example that a fairly large portion of football supporters seem incapable, or too lazy, to make up their own opinion of a player. 
 

If they read on something on Twitter, or some lazy pundit said something about a player, that remains their perception of the player, regardless of how the player actually performs.

 

 

[LFC 6 Times]

I’m all in on Darwin now. I’ve been a vocal critic I’m not going to deny that but moments like Sunday are era defining. Let’s fucking lift off lad. Must start against Villa.

[Pidge]

With Cash and Digne both liking to get forward you want his pace on the field.

[Jairzinho]

Transformation from Carroll to Torres took about 12 minutes.