Russia v Ukraine

[Red Phoenix]

If this is accurate, all seems totally normal :

 

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Within hours of Russia’s withdrawal from the Bucha on March 31st, its mayor announced that his city had been liberated from “Russian orcs,” employing a dehumanizing term widely used by Azov Battalion. An accompanying article noted the Russians had “mined civilian buildings and infrastructure,” but no mention was made of any mass killing of local citizens, let alone scores of corpses left in the street, which one might reasonably expect would be top of any news outlet’s agenda when reporting on the event.

On April 2, within hours of the publication of photos and videos purporting to show victims of an alleged Russian massacre, Ukrainian media reported that specialist units had begun “clearing the area of saboteurs and accomplices of Russian troops.” Nothing was said about dead bodies in the streets.

The National Police of Ukraine announced that day that they were “cleaning the territory…from the assistants of Russian troops,” publishing video that showed no corpses in the streets of Bucha and Ukrainian forces in full control of the city.

A clip of the reported “clean-up operation” published by Sergey Korotkikh, a notorious neo-Nazi Azov member, shows one member of his unit asking another if he can shoot “guys without blue armbands,” referring to those without the marking worn by Ukrainian military forces. The militant stridently responds, “fuck yeah!” Korotkikh has since deleted the video, perhaps fearing it implicated his unit in a war crime.

 

 

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/03/testimony-mariupol-hospital-ukrainian-deceptions-media-malpractice/

 

[SasaS]

The Grayzone is certainly useful to see how will Russia try to counter attack in the media war over accusations of atrocities. .

[Bjornebye]

 

 

 

[SasaS]

1 hour ago, dockers_strike said:

The body of a civilian lies by the side of the street in Bucha Credit: REUTERS/Mikhail Palinchak

"It’s clear to the naked eye that there are a lot of fakes and staged shots," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov claimed. (CUNT!)

 

To counter this narrative, Ukrainian officials published a flurry of videos showing evidence of dead civilians Oleksiy Goncharenko, the Ukrainian MP, toured Bucha, posting videos of himself standing by mass graves. In another video he stood in front of a shrapnel-riddled Renault car to accuse Russia of war crimes

 

The language at The Telegraph has really gone down the hill.

[No2]

2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

The thing I never get with these edgelords is that the superior knowledge they’ve gained never, ever benefits them. 
 

They KNOW that the virus is man made, they KNOW the vaccine is killing more than its saving they KNOW the Russians are the goodies and KNOW that Ukrainians are making up the atrocities.   But what does the knowledge afford them?  They are still in mums spare room shouting at the sky. They still have no mates that aren’t an avatar.  They still have a shit job they despise.  
 

The only ones making anything out of it are the grifters feeding them the bollocks. Funny old world. 

They sleep easy, knowing the truth. Most of us can't say that.

[No2]

On 03/04/2022 at 06:59, Red Shift said:

They’ve yet to understand the war, or are deliberately out to destroy Ukraine. I see Poland is manoeuvring like a vulture post Biden meeting. 
 

I can see Ukraine disappearing. Total tragedy

Fuck you.

On 03/04/2022 at 12:41, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yes, world war II, Nazis, death camps, mass graves, chemical weapons + every other horrible thing you can imagine. Putin's done the lot and the Nazis and fascists in the Ukrainian army, backed by the most militaristic and warmongering country on the planet since the actual Nazis themselves haven't done anything wrong that we should be talking about, haven't staged a single thing and the media are somehow for once just giving us the truth about a war.

 

Not wanting this to escalate into having most of us killed in a nuclear war isn't being fucking contrarian! Some of us are genuinely concerned about where this is heading if we're not seriously careful and Putin apologist, "you'd have sided with the Nazis in WWII" and all of the other insults isn't going to work.

 

At the end of the day NATO does regularly keep coming up as a central issue in this despite previous efforts to assure us that it's nothing to do with it and Putin has the world's largest arsenal of nuclear weapons even if his army could get wasted over time and isn't that special.

 

Ruling out a seriously unstable country joining NATO shouldn't really be a huge problem considering the risks it has for all of us but the US have no interest in that at all, so yes they could be helping fuel the conflict. And wasting through Putin's army might look like a great idea but we have no idea what his state of mind is going to be like (and yes we are concerned about Putin's state of mind because of all of the nukes he has remember and the fact that he put his nuclear forces on high alert) if we get to the situation where a Ukrainian army pushes Russia right out of the country largely thanks to NATO weapons shipments.

 

This war isn't just about Putin being bad for invading Ukraine. It's also complicated because of where it could lead and so far we still see the UK, US and other govs not seeming to give a fuck about that. Both sides of this conflict have serious problems, lots of them. It's not healthy to have this idea that the Ukrainian gov, military and their NATO backers are some purely valiant and innocent crusaders again Putin's evil army. None of us want to see Ukrainians suffer like this but it's also good to be more realistic about what's going on.

And you. 

18 hours ago, ManéMan said:

 

 

Americans causing trouble anywhere and everywhere...trying to do to Pakistan what it's done in Ukraine. Got caught red handed this time thankfully 

And you.

[Pureblood]

27 minutes ago, No2 said:

Fuck you.

And you. 

And you.

A good post, in full. 

[Red Phoenix]

34 minutes ago, No2 said:

Fuck you.

And you. 

And you.

 

Thanks.

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

I thought they already killed all the Nazis.

[Pureblood]

Dedicated to Joe Biden and Boris Johnson

 

 

[SasaS]

Tom Cooper (Tom from Facebook) updated.

 

"Kharkiv remained under continuous Russian air-strikes and artillery barrages for the last two days, but the RFA keeps the distance from the city. The latter is little surprising because the Ukrainian 92nd Mech seem to be on the move again, this time with a push from Mala Rohan and Chuhiv towards the Russian border. The idea might not be bad, then such a move has a potential to threaten the northern flank and rear echelons the 6th CAA, further east — and that would be highly important considering what is going on in the Izium area of the last few days."

 

https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukraine-war-2-3-april-2022-bf9246d07f37

[SasaS]

15 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

I thought they already killed all the Nazis.

"Never before has so much been owed to so few" must be emblazoned on the wall of Russia's propaganda HQ.

 

Azov is everywhere. When they talk about Mariupol, it is just Azov, Azov, Azov even though there are at least three other formations defending the city and Azov is about 1/4 of all the forces.

 

In the other hand and to be fair. Azov also only  talk about themselves in their daily video updates from there.

You would be forgiven to think the war is mainly between the entire Russian army and the Azov battalion.  Now regiment ("polk").

 

Other right wing volunteer groups in the Volunteer Corps and National Guard must be furious with their PR departments.

[No2]

52 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

A good post, in full. 

Fuck off.

[No2]

41 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Thanks.

 

 

Fuck off.

[Arniepie]

Some horrendous pics on the front pages today 

[Red Phoenix]

From Guardian :

 

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Biden calls Putin a 'war criminal' and say he will call for a trial

US President Joe Biden called Russian President Vladimir Putin a war criminal on Monday, and said he would call for a war crimes trial.

“You saw what happened in Bucha,” Biden said. He added that Putin “is a war criminal”

Biden also said he would seek more sanctions after reported atrocities in Ukraine, but his comments to reporters did not go as far as calling the actions genocide.

“We have to continue to provide Ukraine with the weapons they need to continue the fight. And we have to gather all the detail so this can be an actual – have a war crimes trial,” Biden said, according to remarks posted by Associated Press.

Biden lashed out at Putin as “brutal.”

“What’s happening in Bucha is outrageous and everyone sees it,” Biden added.

 

Wiki :

 

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ASPA authorizes the President of the United States to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". This authorization has led the act to be nicknamed the "Hague Invasion Act"

 

American Service-Members' Protection Act

 

[Red Phoenix]

 

[dockers_strike]

I really dont know how Russian apologists can equate a US piece of legislation to the actions of tieing of hands behind backs and a bullet to the head slaughtering civilians.

 

What a fucking sad world we inhabit.

[Rico1304]

Pictures of dead kids who’ve likely been raped and we’ve got cunts on here lining up to either refuse to believe it, say it’s faked or try and justify it.   
 

All you various incarnations of Red (cunt) - I’d ban ‘em.  

[Red Phoenix]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Pictures of dead kids who’ve likely been raped and we’ve got cunts on here lining up to either refuse to believe it, say it’s faked or try and justify it.   
 

All you various incarnations of Red (cunt) - I’d ban ‘em.  

 

Of course you would. Anything to get rid of views you don't like, anything that interferes with the narrative of fucking demented NATO leaders that could get us all killed.

 

Because you're an authoritarian.

[Red Phoenix]

This is one of Zelensky's advisors speaking in 2019. I've seen this clip several times in recent weeks and I've never seen anyone refuting that this translation is correct. If anyone wants to show that it's wrong anywhere thanks if you can let me know.

 

If not and it is actually right, does this sound like someone that wanted peace?

 

 

[Rico1304]

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Of course you would. Anything to get rid of views you don't like, anything that interferes with the narrative of fucking demented NATO leaders that could get us all killed.

 

Because you're an authoritarian.

You are stupid.  We’ve had this conversation before.  If you think I don’t like hearing views I may not like you can’t have been here long. 
 

Im not getting rid of your hateful fucking shit, I’m just not enthused about paying to be on a site that allows rapist apologists like you on there.  You can carry in spouting it but just not on here.  I always equate this place to a boozer, you spout that shit in a boozer you’d get battered. 

[SasaS]

24 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

 

That is quite a liberal interpretation of the original text (from two weeks ago, BTW).

 

"Next and finally, the world continues to witness Russia’s unrelenting and coldblooded bombardment of Ukraine, causing death and destruction. These strikes have destroyed civilian infrastructure, including a maternity hospital, apartment buildings, and an art school where 400 civilians were sheltering. And hundreds, if not thousands, of innocent men, women, and children have lost their lives in this needless carnage.

In the face of it, President Zelenskyy and the people of Ukraine continue to show strength and courage in the country’s fight against these Kremlin forces.

As Russia’s forces continue to die needlessly in Ukraine and the economic costs of the war mount within Russia, President Zelenskyy has also made it very clear that he is open to a diplomatic solution that does not compromise the core principles at the heart of the Kremlin’s war against Ukraine.

The effects of Putin’s war of choice aren’t restricted to Ukraine and Russia, however. This conflict has had ripple effects around the world. It calls into question security and prosperity for all of us on issues ranging from self-governance to human rights to energy and food security. That is why we cannot stand quiet. We must all stand up for what is right.

We support the people of Ukraine in their just cause: the defense of their country and their defense of their democracy. And as we have done since the beginning of this crisis, we will continue to support Ukraine’s efforts to de-escalate through diplomacy in order to secure a ceasefire and the withdrawal of Russia’s troops from Ukraine.

We know that diplomacy requires both sides to genuinely engage in good faith, but President Putin has made no indication that he is prepared to stop the onslaught. This war, we know, is not going according to Putin’s plan. A quick victory has been stymied by Ukraine.

Whenever and however this war ends, the United States and the international community will, together with our partners in Ukraine, ensure that Putin’s war of choice is a long-term strategic failure for the Kremlin."

[Red Phoenix]

18 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You are stupid.  We’ve had this conversation before.  If you think I don’t like hearing views I may not like you can’t have been here long. 
 

Im not getting rid of your hateful fucking shit, I’m just not enthused about paying to be on a site that allows rapist apologists like you on there.  You can carry in spouting it but just not on here.  I always equate this place to a boozer, you spout that shit in a boozer you’d get battered. 

 

Don't question the narrative,

ignore the fact that no investigation has been carried out,

don't mention that neo-Nazis were in the area before this was revealed,

don't mention that days passed since the mayor declared the area free of "Russian orcs" and nothing about bodies in the streets was mentioned,

don't question what we're told by corrupt leaders and a corrupt media,

don't talk about how this could escalate into a world war if things carry on being ramped up and our leaders aren't careful.

 

If you do mention some of this stuff though and you're in a boozer you'd get battered.

 

And you think that's normal.

 

In an insane society yeah, that's maybe normal.

[SasaS]

16 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

This is one of Zelensky's advisors speaking in 2019. I've seen this clip several times in recent weeks and I've never seen anyone refuting that this translation is correct. If anyone wants to show that it's wrong anywhere thanks if you can let me know.

 

If not and it is actually right, does this sound like someone that wanted peace?

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleksiy_Arestovych

He is some kind of Ukrainian version of Dominic Cummings. He talks a lot.