Russia v Ukraine

[cochyn]

3 hours ago, Red Shift said:

It’s totally underestimated the close ties and economic power of BRICS and Russia’s contributions to SCIENCE - oh and a poorly functioning monetary policy of the West. 
I think what we’re witnessing is the first real challenge to the US dollar as the worlds reserve.

Of course, just look around your house and marvel at all the Brazillian, Russian, Indian and South African made products that make your life so much better. Hell, most of the Chinese made widgets are made for someone else - usually American companies - and often using UK/EU designs and South Korean hardware. 

 

Must try harder.

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Arniepie said:

Aren't you normally the 1st person to call people out for indulging in whatabouttery?

 

What whataboutery? He asked for opinions on the UNHRC. I pointed out that many members of that committee have no business being on a human rights anything.

[Red Shift]

4 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

The dollar hasn't always been the worlds reserve.

BRICS has been trying to do it for a decade. Realistically it is a closed loop - they cannot really trade anymore amongst themselves than they already are and all of them still trade with the US in dollars.

If the West has a poorly functioning monetary policy wtf is Brazil up to - they were far better off 10 years ago than they are now. Imagine being the poor sap who has to look across the table at Bolsonaro and hope he doesn't shit the bed.

Heck, per capita China was probably better off 10 years ago. South Africa the same really - to the USD their currency is probably worth half what it was.

America can only keep printing and continue to have a stable currency as long as it is the global reserve currency.

 

BRICS represents 45 odd % of the global population and close to 30% of it’s GDP. BRICS has also setup its own Bank for economic development in opposition to the IMF and World Bank. That will only grow. India also signed a deal for Russian oil.

 

Also the demand for Rubles for gas will add security for the Russian Economy.

https://thecradle.co/Article/columns/8638

 

 

[Red Shift]

Russia actually still has a handle on science.

 

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-space-exploration-science-business-mars-38ded59c1f3796cab7c5abe21bb69207?fbclid=IwAR3bXpKdTp_A1nBTKwTVdyWAckRTPzUvZWcHExCDK8CGKLLTPHV9i7MogDs#l1h5c9tq7l47ld4vodv

[Red Shift]

11 hours ago, SasaS said:

What about the helicopters flying into Mariupol and back? Separatists claim they have shot down 2 and have video of 2 out of 3 Ukrainian servicemen that survived. Apparently, there were 5 helicopters that flew out of Mariupol, and from what the POWs say, there have been other missions. Fly supplies in and wounded out.  There is very little info of it outside of pro-Russian accounts and Southfront.

If true, it means that UKR air force is  unbelievably brave. Or that a deal has been struck, to get the wounded out and somebody wasn't told, which sounds a bit too fanciful maybe.

 

[Red Shift]

 

[SasaS]

"The 6th CAA brought in at least three ‘fresh’ BTGs of the 47th Tank Brigade (incl. 26th Tank Regiment, 252nd and 254th Motor Rifle Regiments), and deployed TOS-1 MRLS’ with thermobaric warheads to pound the defenders there, forcing Ukrainian 81st and 95th Airborne to withdraw south of the town, on 31 Mar (in turn, TOS-1s are nowadays primary targets for Ukrainian operators of Skif anti-tank guided missiles). "

 

How can this not get you all excited again? Plus an update on general Zusko. Disappointingly, nothing on the supposed UKR helicopter flights into Mariupol.

It is, of course, an update from Tom from Medium, the analyst formerly knowm as Tom from Facebook.

 

https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukraine-war-31-march-1-april-2022-eb687cb361b8

 

[Red Shift]

After the early action, and as of 21st April, Russian combat power still stood at 90%, according to US Department of defence. Or to be more precise ‘a little less than 90%’

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

After the early action, and as of 21st April, Russian combat power still stood at 90%, according to US Department of defence. Or to be more precise ‘a little less than 90%’

So they’ve lost 10% of their combat power gaining precisely fuck all. I’m struggling to see how you think that’s positive.  They’ve been literally decimated. 

[TheHowieLama]

21st of April?

 

Bot makes mistake.

[Red Shift]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

So they’ve lost 10% of their combat power gaining precisely fuck all. I’m struggling to see how you think that’s positive.  They’ve been literally decimated. 

I was a little surprised by the figure. I expected that they’d lost far more combat power. As for ‘gains’ - we don’t know their goals, but I suspect there’s an ‘economy of operation’ at play.

[Red Shift]

6 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

21st of April?

 

Bot makes mistake.

Yeah. March 21st. The last two weeks could well have changed things, but if it’s war of attrition, there could be months of fighting ahead.

[polymerpunkah]

Putin's already lost the war, it's just a question of how much he suffers in the peace.

 

Fundamentally altered their relationship with the west.

 

Set back their economy significantly.

 

Shown their army for the paper tiger it is.

 

Most importantly, all of the above will weaken his hold on power at home.

 

I couldn't see the point assuming an easy victory; as it is, it's been a monumental error by Putin.

 

[Pureblood]

1 minute ago, polymerpunkah said:

Putin's already lost the war, it's just a question of how much he suffers in the peace.

 

Fundamentally altered their relationship with the west.

 

Set back their economy significantly.

 

Shown their army for the paper tiger it is.

 

Most importantly, all of the above will weaken his hold on power at home.

 

I couldn't see the point assuming an easy victory; as it is, it's been a monumental error by Putin.

 

Someone's been ODing on CNN. 

[SasaS]

What if the US DoD is lying to you?

[Red Shift]

7 minutes ago, SasaS said:

What if the US DoD is lying to you?

Possible.

[Red Shift]

15 minutes ago, polymerpunkah said:

Putin's already lost the war, it's just a question of how much he suffers in the peace.

 

Fundamentally altered their relationship with the west.

 

Set back their economy significantly.

 

Shown their army for the paper tiger it is.

 

Most importantly, all of the above will weaken his hold on power at home.

 

I couldn't see the point assuming an easy victory; as it is, it's been a monumental error by Putin.

 

I don’t think it’s that cut & dried. The sanctions aren’t nearly as effective as expected. Ruble back up to pre-invasion levels. Stoic response from the likes of China, India, Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia.

[Section_31]

If General Zod had been Russian, Superman II would have been over in the first five minutes.

[Guest]

Putin 'running out of missiles' because all the parts are made in Ukraine

 

Vladimir Putin is said to be running out of missiles, tanks and aircraft, because the parts they rely on are made in Ukraine.

 

The engines of Russian military helicopters and key components for warships, cruise missiles and the majority of the nation’s fighter jets are all made in Ukrainian factories, the Telegraph reports.

 

The factories, which also produce parts for tanks and ground to air missiles, no longer supply Mr Putin’s army.

 

Earlier this week Moscow said it would reduce military activity near the Ukrainian capital and the northern city of Chernihiv.

 

Russia said the withdrawal would help increase trust at peace talks, however, the claims have been met with scepticism.

 

Ukraine and its allies have warned that the Kremlin is not de-escalating to promote trust but instead plans to regroup and restock as it shifts its focus to Ukraine’s Donbas region.

 

It is also feared that the fresh assault will target the already heavily attacked port city of Mariupol, which could be used by Mr Putin to bring fresh arms into the country.

 

However, sources who spoke to the Telegraph said the Russian miliary’s current stock levels were ‘pretty bad’, following Mr Putin’s failure to capture Ukraine as quickly as he had expected.

 

The army is also understood to be running low on arms following five weeks of sustained bombardment of Ukrainian cities.

 

As Russian troops have withdrawn from Kyiv they have left behind dozens of abandoned tanks.

 

The T-72 battle tank is one of the Russian army’s main armoured vehicles but, parts for it are understood to be manufactured in Izyum, an eastern Ukrainian city that Mr Putin’s forces have failed to capture.

 

Throughout the conflict, reports have circulated of Ukrainians capturing Russian tanks or taking out the armoured vehicles with drones.

 

Open-source intelligence estimates suggest that Russia has lost at least 2,000 tanks and armoured vehicles, although true figures are suspected to be higher.

 

It is also believed that Russia will be unable to restock its Kh-55 cruise missiles, which are launched from the air and have the ability to carry nuclear warheads, because they too rely on imported components.

 

The Kh-55 is used by Russia, China and Iran, and uses an engine manufactured in Kharkiv, senior defence sources told The Telegraph.

 

Western sanctions imposed on Russia mean Mr Putin is also unable to buy arms from France, which has supplied millions of pounds worth of equipment to Russia since the invasion of Crimea in 2014.

 

While reports suggest Russia is running low on arms, Ukraine’s resources are being bolstered by its allies.

 

To date, the UK has supplied almost 4,000 next-generation anti-tank weapons (NLAWs) and Javelin anti-tank systems, alongside anti-aircraft missiles.

 

It has also been reported that the British designed Starstreak missile has been used by Ukrainian forces to shoot down a Russian helicopter.

 

Starstreak is an advanced high-velocity missile that destroys targets using three laser-guided darts and was supplied to Ukraine by Britain in March.

 

The Ministry of Defence has declined to comment on the reports.

[Pete]

10 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Putin 'running out of missiles' because all the parts are made in Ukraine

 

Vladimir Putin is said to be running out of missiles, tanks and aircraft, because the parts they rely on are made in Ukraine.

 

The engines of Russian military helicopters and key components for warships, cruise missiles and the majority of the nation’s fighter jets are all made in Ukrainian factories, the Telegraph reports.

 

The factories, which also produce parts for tanks and ground to air missiles, no longer supply Mr Putin’s army.

 

Earlier this week Moscow said it would reduce military activity near the Ukrainian capital and the northern city of Chernihiv.

 

Russia said the withdrawal would help increase trust at peace talks, however, the claims have been met with scepticism.

 

Ukraine and its allies have warned that the Kremlin is not de-escalating to promote trust but instead plans to regroup and restock as it shifts its focus to Ukraine’s Donbas region.

 

It is also feared that the fresh assault will target the already heavily attacked port city of Mariupol, which could be used by Mr Putin to bring fresh arms into the country.

 

However, sources who spoke to the Telegraph said the Russian miliary’s current stock levels were ‘pretty bad’, following Mr Putin’s failure to capture Ukraine as quickly as he had expected.

 

The army is also understood to be running low on arms following five weeks of sustained bombardment of Ukrainian cities.

 

As Russian troops have withdrawn from Kyiv they have left behind dozens of abandoned tanks.

 

The T-72 battle tank is one of the Russian army’s main armoured vehicles but, parts for it are understood to be manufactured in Izyum, an eastern Ukrainian city that Mr Putin’s forces have failed to capture.

 

Throughout the conflict, reports have circulated of Ukrainians capturing Russian tanks or taking out the armoured vehicles with drones.

 

Open-source intelligence estimates suggest that Russia has lost at least 2,000 tanks and armoured vehicles, although true figures are suspected to be higher.

 

It is also believed that Russia will be unable to restock its Kh-55 cruise missiles, which are launched from the air and have the ability to carry nuclear warheads, because they too rely on imported components.

 

The Kh-55 is used by Russia, China and Iran, and uses an engine manufactured in Kharkiv, senior defence sources told The Telegraph.

 

Western sanctions imposed on Russia mean Mr Putin is also unable to buy arms from France, which has supplied millions of pounds worth of equipment to Russia since the invasion of Crimea in 2014.

 

While reports suggest Russia is running low on arms, Ukraine’s resources are being bolstered by its allies.

 

To date, the UK has supplied almost 4,000 next-generation anti-tank weapons (NLAWs) and Javelin anti-tank systems, alongside anti-aircraft missiles.

 

It has also been reported that the British designed Starstreak missile has been used by Ukrainian forces to shoot down a Russian helicopter.

 

Starstreak is an advanced high-velocity missile that destroys targets using three laser-guided darts and was supplied to Ukraine by Britain in March.

 

The Ministry of Defence has declined to comment on the reports.

Who planned this thing?  Fucking Chuckle Brothers??  

[Rico1304]

3 hours ago, Red Shift said:

I don’t think it’s that cut & dried. The sanctions aren’t nearly as effective as expected. Ruble back up to pre-invasion levels. Stoic response from the likes of China, India, Pakistan, UAE and Saudi Arabia.

Hold on.  2 pages ago you were crying about the sanctions impacting millions of Russians. Which is it?  
 

The thing with useful idiots is that they are idiots.  
 

Edit: And I’d fuck off any aid we give to China, India and Pakistan.  Let Russia look after them. 

[Red Phoenix]

1 hour ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

The T-72 battle tank is one of the Russian army’s main armoured vehicles but, parts for it are understood to be manufactured in Izyum, an eastern Ukrainian city that Mr Putin’s forces have failed to capture.

 

They have Izyum now I think, it's taken them weeks to get hold of it though and I doubt the place is in a state to be making tank parts.

 

Some reports of them taking it :

 

 

 

The russians are controlling Izyum – General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces

 

Quote

Russian forces captured Izyum after three weeks of fighting on April 1 and will attempt to advance southeast to link up with Russian forces in Luhansk Oblast in the coming days.

 

https://www.criticalthreats.org/analysis/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-april-1

[Pureblood]

Fat creepy cunt wants perpetual war

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10677717/ANDREW-NEIL-time-Britain-Nato-allies-Ukraine-weapons-needs-win.html

 

ANDREW NEIL: It's time for Britain and its Nato allies to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to win this war 

 

It is time for Britain and its Nato allies to give Ukraine and its formidable military the resources it needs to put victory beyond doubt.

[Rico1304]

15 minutes ago, Pureblood said:

Fat creepy cunt wants perpetual war

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10677717/ANDREW-NEIL-time-Britain-Nato-allies-Ukraine-weapons-needs-win.html

 

ANDREW NEIL: It's time for Britain and its Nato allies to give Ukraine the weapons it needs to win this war 

 

It is time for Britain and its Nato allies to give Ukraine and its formidable military the resources it needs to put victory beyond doubt.

How does winning a war perpetuate it?  Asking a fat creepy cunt.  

[Rico1304]