Keir Starmer

[lifetime fan]

2 hours ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Is it really? Change the branding from Labour to Tommy Robinson’s crew and yours and everyone else’s reaction would be massively different no? 
 

I think it’s extremely poorly thought out, and panders to the racists they want to appease to get back in to power. 
 

Labour, can do one. 
 

 

Absolute bollocks. 
 

As proven by plenty of us on here (and the racist far right wing of the Labour Party Gnasher hates) who when Sunak and Braverman started their racist attack on Asian grooming gangs - pointed out the vast majority of sexual assaults on under age victims are committed by white British males. 

[Bjornebye]

3 hours ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Is it really? Change the branding from Labour to Tommy Robinson’s crew and yours and everyone else’s reaction would be massively different no? 
 

I think it’s extremely poorly thought out, and panders to the racists they want to appease to get back in to power. 
 

Labour, can do one. 
 

 

 

I doubt even Evil Knievel himself would attempt that leap. 

[an tha]

Tweet implies that the PM, Rishi Sunak, doesn't support prison sentences for sexual assaults against children.

 

How the fucking hell is that in any way shape or form racist?

[Gnasher]

Last night's Peston show. Liza Nandy gets pressed by John McDonnell on the underlying nature of that Labour attack ad. Nandy responds by bringing up Mcdonnells 'alleged involvement' regarding antisemitic racism as her defence. I wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

[Harry's Lad]

16 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Last night's Peston show. Liza Nandy gets pressed by John McDonnell on the underlying nature of that Labour attack ad. Nandy responds by bringing up Mcdonnells 'alleged involvement' regarding antisemitic racism as her defence. I wonder why? 

 

 

 

 

When he said 'they go low we go high'  her reply should have been 'and they get an 80 seat majority and we sit in opposition for 5 years while they pillage the country'.

[Section_31]

He's a class act McDonnell, have always liked him.

 

Much as I'm not down with these attack ads, I don't think they're racist and the only people who seem that arsed are people who don't like starmer anyway.

 

It's funny to see corbyn supporters taking the moral high ground over it given that during his tenure you'd frequently see comments about wanting to hang Tories and whatnot, or the endless blogs peddling stuff about Starmer being an MI5 agent and all the rest of it. I suspect some of this is disingenuous.

 

I haven't looked but I suspect Owen Jones is fuming, but not that long ago was encouraging people online to approach Starmer in public and give him shit.

 

Whether we like it or not Starmer is playing the working class cards he's been dealt.

 

There was another bit of poverty porn on yesterday about Blackpool, can't remember what it was, nappies bank or some shit. Blackpool which voted for - erm - two Tory MPs, one of whom is current mired in a corruption scandal.

 

That's the level of dumb you're dealing with.

 

As the great Tyrion Lannister famously said: "If you're looking for justice, you've come to the wrong place."

[Gnasher]

33 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

He's a class act McDonnell, have always liked him.

 

Much as I'm not down with these attack ads, I don't think they're racist and the only people who seem that arsed are people who don't like starmer anyway.

 

Sorry but that's not true, their are examples from all across the board who are not comfortable with those ads, their are examples above on this thread, journalists such as John Sweeny and Kevin Maguire being but two. My MP is to the right of the Labour Party, she's an excellent MP and is often seen with Starmer and she also doesn't agree with those ads. I know a community leader has spoken to her personally on the underlying nature of that ad. I've also had a private conversation with her over Easter.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It's funny to see corbyn supporters taking the moral high ground over it given that during his tenure you'd frequently see comments about wanting to hang Tories and whatnot, or the endless blogs peddling stuff about Starmer being an MI5 agent and all the rest of it. I suspect some of this is disingenuous.

 

I haven't looked but I suspect Owen Jones is fuming, but not that long ago was encouraging people online to approach Starmer in public and give him shit.

 

Whether we like it or not Starmer is playing the working class cards he's been dealt.

 

Judging by his recent personal polling this approach is not working.  He had a cost of living crisis he could have focused on, these ads were a choice.

 

33 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

There was another bit of poverty porn on yesterday about Blackpool, can't remember what it was, nappies bank or some shit. Blackpool which voted for - erm - two Tory MPs, one of whom is current mired in a corruption scandal.

 

That's the level of dumb you're dealing with.

 

As the great Tyrion Lannister famously said: "If you're looking for justice, you've come to the wrong place."

 

Those ads were the work of Wes Streeting and Steve Reed and it's only that band defending them. The underlying message is not only repulsive that line of attack will prove counter productive. The road Streeting and Reed are driving Labour is the wrong one. 

[Gnasher]

Yvette Copper is the current shadow home secretary. David Blunkett is a former Labour home secretary. Both are considered to be to the right of the Labour Party.

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11950855/My-party-better-brand-gutter-politics-writes-DAVID-BLUNKETT.html?s=09

 

 

 

 

[Jack the Sipper]

2 hours ago, Harry's Lad said:

When he said 'they go low we go high'  her reply should have been 'and they get an 80 seat majority and we sit in opposition for 5 years while they pillage the country'.

 

I remember when Corbyn talked about his wish for a 'kindler, gentler' politics (a noble, if naive, aim, even though the rabid element of his support base never practiced it anyway), which manifested itself at PMQs with Corbyn talking about Julie from Portsmouth and the problem's she's had at her local A&E, while the cunt Johnson was on the other side of the dispatch box calling him a Marxist, terrorist supporting traitor to the country. All bollocks, of course, and a real low compared to Corbyn's civility. 

 

But what approach hit home? What line of attack did people remember, even to this day? As Corbyn found out the hard way, politics is a dirty business, and mud sticks. 

 

edit: and of course it's nonsense to argue that the ad was racist. Are we really in a place where the leader of the conservative party can't be attacked over his party's record because he's of Asian origin? That would be a dark place, and similar to when we had people on the right (and in Labour) arguing that Corbyn was an anti-Semite whenever he took issue with people of Israeli/Jewish origin.

[Gnasher]

 

 

 

The other problem is this new Labour line of attack is not working. These ridiculous attacks on both Corbyn and Starmer are proving counter productive. 

 

These attacks just make Starmer look and sound like an untrustworthy cunt.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/20/labour-warpath-targeting-benefit-claimants-disabled-starmer
 

“As it stands, its tactics are doing more harm than good. When it rails against benefit overspending or cautions against social care overhaul, it is not just the Tories it is attacking. It is the very people who need Labour most. Children are eating rubbers at school because their parents can’t afford lunch. Disabled people are turning off medical equipment when they can’t pay their energy bills. Come out fighting, Labour. But first, pick the right target.“

[Megadrive Man]

The closer it gets to an election, the more ground Starmer is going to lose.

 

I was listening to a podcast over the weekend where they had a focus group of people that voted Labour in 2019 and people that voted Tory.

 

The feedback on Starmer was that he's a slime ball, an annoying older brother that always thinks he's in the right. Captain Hindsight was mentioned too. The ten people were asked to give him a grade on his leadership so far and he was mostly given an F or an ungraded. By contrast the feedback on Sunak was that he'd steadied the ship, seemed capable and was mostly given a C or a D grade. 

 

Interestingly Angela Raynor was mentioned as a better leader, she seemed very popular with most of the group. 

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

The closer it gets to an election, the more ground Starmer is going to lose.

 

I was listening to a podcast over the weekend where they had a focus group of people that voted Labour in 2019 and people that voted Tory.

 

The feedback on Starmer was that he's a slime ball, an annoying older brother that always thinks he's in the right. Captain Hindsight was mentioned too. The ten people were asked to give him a grade on his leadership so far and he was mostly given an F or an ungraded. By contrast the feedback on Sunak was that he'd steadied the ship, seemed capable and was mostly given a C or a D grade. 

 

Interestingly Angela Raynor was mentioned as a better leader, she seemed very popular with most of the group. 

 

This is how mental the nation is. You're going to vote on perception of leaders, not the fact that the country and every service is on its arse whilst bleeding finances to the already wealthy. 

[Megadrive Man]

2 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

This is how mental the nation is. You're going to vote on perception of leaders, not the fact that the country and every service is on its arse whilst bleeding finances to the already wealthy. 

 

A few years ago I met a nurse from Leeds who said that whilst she liked some of Jeremy Corbyn's policies, she couldn't vote for him because he reminded her of Steptoe!

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

 

This is how mental the nation is. You're going to vote on perception of leaders, not the fact that the country and every service is on its arse whilst bleeding finances to the already wealthy. 

 

Just on this a little more, was listening to the local radio the other morning and some old scrote repeated the same old stories about Labour bankrupting the country and the Kinnock 'switch off the lights' attacks. I was thinking "that was decades ago you daft ol' cunt". People are so brainwashed they truly believe that Labour are going to break the already broken?

 

You can't even begin to debate with such indoctrination. People scratch their heads over Waco like cults and how so many can be taken in by a con, but it happens everyday in wider society.

[Arniepie]

20 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

The closer it gets to an election, the more ground Starmer is going to lose.

 

I was listening to a podcast over the weekend where they had a focus group of people that voted Labour in 2019 and people that voted Tory.

 

The feedback on Starmer was that he's a slime ball, an annoying older brother that always thinks he's in the right. Captain Hindsight was mentioned too. The ten people were asked to give him a grade on his leadership so far and he was mostly given an F or an ungraded. By contrast the feedback on Sunak was that he'd steadied the ship, seemed capable and was mostly given a C or a D grade. 

 

Interestingly Angela Raynor was mentioned as a better leader, she seemed very popular with most of the group. 

I genuinely cannot envisage another 5 years of these utter cunts.It simply doesnt bear thinking about.

[Megadrive Man]

I hear it all the time down here.

 

"We don't want Labour getting in, Interest rates will go through the roof"

 

"Labour can't be trusted with the economy"

 

It's genuinely like some people have been in a coma for the last 12 months! 

 

 

[Arniepie]

6 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

I hear it all the time down here.

 

"We don't want Labour getting in, Interest rates will go through the roof"

 

"Labour can't be trusted with the economy"

 

It's genuinely like some people have been in a coma for the last 12 months! 

 

 

x amount of people in this country would vote tory if they rounded them up and put them in a concentration camp.I think they why its essential labour win back those red wall simpletons.

[House of Dirk]

As someone on the left, I need someone on the right to tell me exactly what and how I am feeling.

 

 

Thats how it seems to work these days

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Matip said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/20/labour-warpath-targeting-benefit-claimants-disabled-starmer
 

“As it stands, its tactics are doing more harm than good. When it rails against benefit overspending or cautions against social care overhaul, it is not just the Tories it is attacking. It is the very people who need Labour most. Children are eating rubbers at school because their parents can’t afford lunch. Disabled people are turning off medical equipment when they can’t pay their energy bills. Come out fighting, Labour. But first, pick the right target.“

 

Oh fuck, you've only gone and brought up Labour Party policies. 

 

Best stick to implying Sunaks a non white nonce lover.

[Gnasher]

33 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

x amount of people in this country would vote tory if they rounded them up and put them in a concentration camp.I think they why its essential labour win back those red wall simpletons.

 

But the polls show otherwise Arnie. Labours lead is withering and Starmers personal ratings are falling. The present Labour shadow home secretary is apparently against these type of attacks and a former Labour home secretary has written an article in a national newspaper calling them repugnant. 

 

What does Blunkett mean when he says the "imagery" of these ads are wrong?  Come on ffs!!!

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11950855/My-party-better-brand-gutter-politics-writes-DAVID-BLUNKETT.html?s=09

 

 

That ad was not only wrong on every level it also appears not to be working with the British public.

 

[Gnasher]

On a more positive note i was informed on the Easter weekend the Conservatives in Wales are now polling a paltry 15%.

 

The two centre left parties ( Labour/Plaid Cymru) are polling approx 70% between them.

 

Even more alarming for the Tories is they are polling just 5% amongst the under 50 age group. Five fucking percent. That's Count Binface territory. No future for the Tories in Wales, they are fucked, finished. The youngsters of Wales are rejecting Conservatives and everything they stand for.

 

https://leftfootforward.org/2023/02/shock-poll-finds-tories-are-heading-for-near-total-wipeout-in-wales/

 

Me being told that news Easter Saturday.

 

[redrosetints]

On 18/04/2023 at 13:56, Gnasher said:

 

I think they'll be OK, the fall in house prices and rising mortgages should be more than enough to deliver victory. They need to sack their PR team ASAP though, that recent campaign is awful, dosn't sit right dosn't pass the smell test. They've also got lucky with Scotland, the dramatic fall of Sturgeon is playing like a Greek tragedy.

 
yep, governments tend to lose elections rather than oppositions win them. If I was Keir I’d drop the shitty ads and shut the f up for the next 18 months.

[polymerpunkah]

Why not emphasize these real problems?

 

And offer real solutions?

 

 

[Gnasher]

7 hours ago, Nelly-Matip said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/apr/20/labour-warpath-targeting-benefit-claimants-disabled-starmer
 

“As it stands, its tactics are doing more harm than good. When it rails against benefit overspending or cautions against social care overhaul, it is not just the Tories it is attacking. It is the very people who need Labour most. Children are eating rubbers at school because their parents can’t afford lunch. Disabled people are turning off medical equipment when they can’t pay their energy bills. Come out fighting, Labour. But first, pick the right target.“

 

Yep. But never mind about them.