Keir Starmer

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I don't know if you read the article, but he's not a Labour MP, it's not about the abstention and was written before the abstention. It seems a bit wild to take it as the reason for the abstention.

That seems like the right wing American system, which is dehumanising and actually against everything a socialist should want for people. Labour's abstention on an amendment in the Lords wasn't because 'who cares about hungry kids', it was because - apparently, as I've not read it (and would be shocked if anybody here has) - the amendment was too widely drawn and because Labour have similar, better legislation coming. 

 

My main issue here is there's a rush to just jump on to anything that could possibly land a glove on Labour. There's certain sections of the left-wing media that do this, because they know they'll get clicks; accuracy be damned. I don't hate the left, I hate people who try to grift off the back of left wing politics. They do the same things the right do in the Mail and Express. I hate those too. It's just all so dishonest, and it's trying to manipulate people. Sure, let's moan about Rachel Reeves going to a flower show (what was that about priorities?), but let's also ask questions about what others get, like when Corbyn got 20,000 from Iran. Otherwise it looks like we don't actually care about what people are receiving and why, but we are looking to score a cheap point. I'm against all of it. Second jobs, perks, all of that shit should be fucked off. 

 

Their is no indication Labour has a better plan around the corner and people like Jack Monroe are not "left wing media" looking to criticise for criticisms sake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Their is no indication Labour has a better plan around the corner and people like Jack Monroe are not "left wing media" looking to criticise for criticisms sake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, wish I didn't call Jack Monroe left wing media now. Wish I hadn't said it. Almost wish I didn't even mention him. Ever. Even once. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Cost of living crisis? I don't see how this is closely relevent. Lloyds will have bought a certain point of tickets no matter who they're taking. This should be good because this helps pay for the show. Those tickets go someone..is it not the responsibility of people who expect to be forming a government to have relationships with people in the industry they're responsible.for? 

 

I was referring to the optics of Rachel Reeves acceptance of a free meal from Lloyd's bankers and a few weeks later Labour blocking free school meals for kids 

[Arniepie]

I think that they can only be judged once they are in power.

It's the same old script with being good with the economy.

The Tories cut everything to the bone and when Labour get in they get accused of bankrupting the economy by providing decent services for people.

If you can at the last decade, when the number.of food banks gas completely exploded and wages haven't moved in about 8 years,and say with a straight face the Tories are good with the economy,you are a fucking simpleton.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Yeah, wish I didn't call Jack Monroe left wing media now. Wish I hadn't said it. Alost wish I didn't every mention him. Every. Even once. 

 

Jack Monroe was the main link i provided. She's one of the main voices on food poverty in this country. You seem to paint any people who are  critical of Labour/Starmer as crazy lefty's. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Jack Monroe was the main link i provided. She's one of the main voices on food poverty in this country. You seem to paint any people who are  critical of Labour/Starmer as crazy lefty's. 

I said nothing about crazy lefties, I was saying that some in the left-wing media - whilst talking about comments from your Bastiani link on Lords - do so to land a glove. They're playing to the crowd. 

 

[Barrington Womble]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

I was referring to the optics of Rachel Reeves acceptance of a free meal from Lloyd's bankers and a few weeks later Labour blocking free school meals for kids 

You are conflating things though. What if she'd paid for the meal? Do you think she'd have actually paid? Or it would just have been expensed via labour or her role as an MP through the government purse? You need to accept people have business lunches and hospitality events. It's how the world works and how she has to do her job. Abstaining in a vote is completely unrelated. The issue is the abstention, getting an expensed meal has nothing to do with it.  

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

I said nothing about crazy lefties, I was saying that some in the left-wing media - whilst talking about comments from your Bastiani link on Lords - do so to land a glove. They're playing to the crowd. 

 

Maybe they do so because they disagree with the direction the Labour party is going. Labour has created the crowd with this issue as they did with Lammy and the strikes at Heathrow. 

[Gnasher]

How can people seriously defend this shit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Captain Howdy]

Captain crasherooni snoozefest has to be just about the lamest insult of all time. I was willing Starmer to counter with Cool story Bro 

[Numero Veinticinco]

25 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

How can people seriously defend this shit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Question, who is defending that LabourList article and the ex-Labour MP? 

[Numero Veinticinco]

32 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Maybe they do so because they disagree with the direction the Labour party is going. Labour has created the crowd with this issue as they did with Lammy and the strikes at Heathrow. 

Or maybe they see a market they can exploit and they write to those suffering badly with confirmatory bias. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, Hank Moody said:

Or maybe they see a market they can exploit and they write to those suffering badly with confirmatory bias. 

Not everyone to the left of Change UK is a grifter Numero, however many coats of paint you lash over them.

[Numero Veinticinco]

13 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Not everyone to the left of Change UK is a grifter Numero, however many coats of paint you lash over them.

I didn't say they were. It's actually pointless talking to you. You're basically a spit of Boris Johnson. 

[Anubis]

56 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

How can people seriously defend this shit?

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m genuinely struggling to see where he’s coming from in that article. I understand that he’s saying we should aim higher so people have enough to choose, but what is wrong with a safety net? It’s bollocks to suggest people will be disincentivised because there is a safety net for food. As someone says in the replies - shouldn’t we be aiming both for better for all but also be able to feed people now - because it’ll take time to aim higher as he suggests.

 

Meanwhile we have the whipped abstentions on the school meals amendment tabled by the Lib Dems on the basis Labour are working on something similar themselves. Fucking party politics over trying to feed kids.

 

At this point, the only real reason for me to vote for a Labour candidate is having a socialist and former union man as my MP. If I lived elsewhere I’d really struggle to vote for some of them.

[Gnasher]

19 minutes ago, Anubis said:

I’m genuinely struggling to see where he’s coming from in that article. I understand that he’s saying we should aim higher so people have enough to choose, but what is wrong with a safety net? It’s bollocks to suggest people will be disincentivised because there is a safety net for food. As someone says in the replies - shouldn’t we be aiming both for better for all but also be able to feed people now - because it’ll take time to aim higher as he suggests.

 

Meanwhile we have the whipped abstentions on the school meals amendment tabled by the Lib Dems on the basis Labour are working on something similar themselves. Fucking party politics over trying to feed kids.

 

At this point, the only real reason for me to vote for a Labour candidate is having a socialist and former union man as my MP. If I lived elsewhere I’d really struggle to vote for some of them.

Yeah i feel the same. As Numero says we don't have all the info on that vote and their may have been reasons but at face value it just looks terrible.

 

When you've got the country's main blogger/author/protester on food poverty already on the case it's impossible to not conclude that Labour have dropped another bollock here.

[Gnasher]

What the fuck were they thinking?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

If Reeves and Co are so prudent and trusted on finances how come the Labour Party is skint?

 

 

None of what they say rings true. Bunch of bullshitters. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain?s=09

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Can’t believe they’ve driven such a well oiled machine - a financial powerhouse - into a party of financial ruin. 
 

Bullshitters indeed. 

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Can’t believe they’ve driven such a well oiled machine - a financial powerhouse - into a party of financial ruin. 
 

Bullshitters indeed. 

 

Indeed.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain?s=09

[Strontium]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

If Reeves and Co are so prudent and trusted on finances how come the Labour Party is skint?

 

 

None of what they say rings true. Bunch of bullshitters. 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain?s=09

 

 

That August 2018 article would have been before the full cost of the failed Labour Live festival were apparent, and the costs of settling the lawsuits. Also the huge sums spent on the 2019 election campaign, which included the estimated £3m Karie Murphy spent on the failed community organisers programme. And of course Murphy and Seumas Milne had substantial severance payout clauses in the permanent contracts they signed before the election defeat (where previously they were on contracts linked to the end of Corbyn's tenure).

[Rushies tash]

Whatever his merits as a leader, the treatment of Corbyn's Labour still makes me incredibly angry and reading stuff like this probably isn't very good for my mental health. Their manifesto wasn't massively radical, but was still the most progressive I'd seen in my lifetime, and sadly, more progressive than I am ever likely to see unless something drastic happens.

[Numero Veinticinco]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Indeed.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain?s=09

Any chance you could link it again. The first two times weren’t enough. 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

Any chance you could link it again. The first two times weren’t enough. 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain?s=09

 

My pleasure.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, Gnasher said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/22/labour-coffers-make-party-richest-in-britain?s=09

 

My Pleasure.

Thanks so much. I’m still of the same view though, that it’s all Starmer’s fault and previous leaders were perfect in every way and weren’t responsible for fucking horrific mismanagement of the finances. If that were true, you’d look like a dishonest tribal cunt. Wouldn’t you?