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[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Don’t know, I’m not the one who swallowed all the vote leave bullshit, maybe you could enlighten us? 

I dint swallow the vote leave bullshit I just did not agree with the way the eu operated the past decade. Why try change the subject matter anyway? 

 

The point above about the game being rigged and charlatans pulling in the opposite direction when push came to shove was pretty self explanatory. Similar happened over the states when Saunders looked like beating Clinton for the democratic nomination a few years ago. Socialism seems to frighten certain 'lefties".

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-accused-political-bias-right-not-left-9129639.html

 

[Bruce Spanner]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I dint swallow the vote leave bullshit I just did not agree with the way the eu operated the past decade. Why try change the subject matter anyway? 

 

The point above about the game being rigged and charlatans pulling in the opposite direction when push came to shove was pretty self explanatory. Similar happened over the states when Saunders looked like beating Clinton for the democratic nomination a few years ago. Socialism seems to frighten certain 'lefties".

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bbc-accused-political-bias-right-not-left-9129639.html

 

The game is rigged, of course, always has been, but all the information about this is freely available and a level of personal responsibility has to play a part, or if not it’s just fucking patronising to assume the hordes are crude, unthinking beasts who have no capacity to make choices for themselves.

 

Why should people choose ‘socialism’? It’s not in their self interest. They don’t need to, they’re under no real incentive to do so. It’s perfectly feasible that even though these people don’t believe in a socialist ideal they have a strong social conscience and are working towards a better world under different drivers. The idea that ‘we’ are right is the biggest bullshit ‘we’ allow to become pervasive and, in truth, is incredibly off putting hearing ‘us’ talk down to people because they don’t believe ‘our’ version of ‘right’. 
 

We are not the owners of truth, we are one version of it and it’s our responsibility to sell that not sit around crowing about the fucking media and how unfair it is that everybody just doesn’t fucking love socialism. 
 

We’re our own worst fucking enemy.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The game is rigged, of course, always has been, but all the information about this is freely available and a level of personal responsibility has to play a part, or if not it’s just fucking patronising to assume the hordes are crude, unthinking beasts who have no capacity to make choices for themselves.

 

Why should people choose ‘socialism’? It’s not in their self interest. They don’t need to, they’re under no real incentive to do so. It’s perfectly feasible that even though these people don’t believe in a socialist ideal they have a strong social conscience and are working towards a better world under different drivers. The idea that ‘we’ are right is the biggest bullshit ‘we’ allow to become pervasive and, in truth, is incredibly off putting hearing ‘us’ talk down to people because they don’t believe ‘our’ version of ‘right’. 
 

We are not the owners of truth, we are one version of it and it’s our responsibility to sell that not sit around crowing about the ducking media and how unfair it is that everybody just doesn’t fucking love socialism. 
 

We’re our own worst fucking enemy.

It only takes a small amount of voters to swing close seats if you've got the main BBC political analyst misrepresenting the opposition leaders message then asking him ridiculous questions like would he shoot a terrorist or would he bow to the queen or some other shit then it becomes an uphill struggle for the  opposition leaders message of social investment to break through.

[TheHowieLama]

7 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

We’re our own worst fucking enemy.

"We are the music makers, and we are the dreamers of dreams."

[Bruce Spanner]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

It only takes a small amount of voters to swing close seats if you've got the main BBC political analyst misrepresenting the opposition leaders message then asking him ridiculous questions like would he shoot a terrorist or would he bow to the queen or some other shit then it becomes an uphill struggle for the  opposition leaders message of social investment to break through.

And it also takes only takes a manifesto that we all over the place, a message which was confused, a part very visibly at each other’s throats, a massive arrogant approach to campaigning to swing a few votes.

 

I can’t believe this came back to ‘him’ afuckingain.

 

Good night, Gnasher, I’m not going round in circles about Corbyn anymore, it’s fucking dull and in the past.

[Gnasher]

12 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The game is rigged, of course, always has been, but all the information about this is freely available and a level of personal responsibility has to play a part, or if not it’s just fucking patronising to assume the hordes are crude, unthinking beasts who have no capacity to make choices for themselves.

 

Why should people choose ‘socialism’? It’s not in their self interest. They don’t need to, they’re under no real incentive to do so. It’s perfectly feasible that even though these people don’t believe in a socialist ideal they have a strong social conscience and are working towards a better world under different drivers. The idea that ‘we’ are right is the biggest bullshit ‘we’ allow to become pervasive and, in truth, is incredibly off putting hearing ‘us’ talk down to people because they don’t believe ‘our’ version of ‘right’. 
 

We are not the owners of truth, we are one version of it and it’s our responsibility to sell that not sit around crowing about the fucking media and how unfair it is that everybody just doesn’t fucking love socialism. 
 

We’re our own worst fucking enemy.

"Let's not crow about the media"  Why the fuck not?

 

Remember the story of the poor kid lying on the floor of a Leeds hospital? Johnson wouldn't look at the picture? The story took a strange turn when one of Corbyns aids allegedly punched a tory outside the hospital? Rehashed by the Sun, Robert Peston and Laura Kuenssberg, all false?  Why the fuck shouldn't people complain about misinformation like that? The false story knocked a serious issue regarding our health service off the tv screens.

 

 

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/matt-hancock-aide-whacked-by-labour-activist-say-senior-tories/

[Bruce Spanner]

All about the media.

 

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

"Let's not crow about the media"  Why the fuck not?

 

Remember the story of the poor kid lying on the floor of a Leeds hospital? Johnson wouldn't look at the picture? The story took a strange turn when one of Corbyns aids allegedly punched a tory outside the hospital? Rehashed by the Sun, Robert Peston and Laura Kuenssberg, all false?  Why the fuck shouldn't people complain about misinformation like that? The false story knocked a serious issue regarding our health service off the tv screens.

 

 

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/matt-hancock-aide-whacked-by-labour-activist-say-senior-tories/

Kuntsberg got found guilty of lying about an interview with Corbyn. She’s since been promoted and takes home 290k a year. Says it all 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

1 hour ago, Audrey Witherspoon said:

But the so called tards are always in a shit fight with the level of disinformation from the centre and right.

you only need to look at the state of Nandy, Starmer et al disowning a shadow cabinet that they were part of to see that.

what chance does the person in the street have of voting in their own self interests, when they are fed a media stream of bullshit for years, by the very people who will profit most from them voting against their own self interests.

Noel Gallagher is fine to call Corbyn a commie, as he doesn’t need what was on offer, and he will do alright if the Tories get in, maybe save a

bit more tax.

same goes for Marina Hyde, Dorian Lynsey, all the supposed high brow guardianistas couldn’t really give a fuck about the poor if it comes at any expense of their lifestyle.

these people carry more of the blame than the so called fucking tards, they know much more about what is going on, but they’re jack’s alright,

so they support the status quo at election time, then barrack like fuck post election, and it’s utterly transparent what a bunch of

self interested shysters they are.

fuck blaming the poor and working classes of towns and cities that have been on there arses for decades, have a look around at the gobshites who are screaming most loudly now, Ian Dunt the rancid hyena, these people continue to stir the pot and get off scot free whilst remaining largely unaffected.

A fucking men brethren. I like how she writes, but there has been a massive dose of self righteous bullshit from her and her fellow colleagues since Boris got in. They are one the biggest culprits in this current shitstorm.

[Gnasher]

7 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

A fucking men brethren. I like how she writes, but there has been a massive dose of self righteous bullshit from her and her fellow colleagues since Boris got in. They are one the biggest culprits in this current shitstorm.

Exactly. 

[Barrington Womble]

3 hours ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

All part of the image. 

 

 

I was thinking about this today. You'd have thought they have learnt their lesson about sending him out in front of the media unscripted but it seems not. They roll him and let the words just fall out of his fucking slack jaw. The damage this latest lapsus de langue has done is not far behind Trump's 'injecting bleach' moment.

 

The cynic in me wonders if he's been given just enough rope to hang himself with by his colleagues. 

I just reckon now the puppet master has fucked off, it just means nobody is controlling Johnson. He's now our equivalent of trump without Twitter. 

[TheHowieLama]

On 08/12/2020 at 04:30, Anubis said:

Interesting (and by interesting I mean slightly disturbing) thread from Florida scientist Rebekah Jones who has been running a website critical of how Florida is handling Coronavirus cases.

 

 

 

In the words of the great Thomas Dolby -- SCIENCE!!

 

[Gnasher]

56 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

All about the media.

 

I'm not sure what your post is trying to imply but it is all about the media. The report into the media coverage of the 2917 election found that although when questioned the public put the NHS top of their issue list it only came eighth in amount of media coverage. Also the main TV bulletins were led by stories from the papers, papers that are right wing and owned by foreign billionaires who do not pay tax in this country. The news stations spent three days giving airtime to a letter supporting the Tories by big business but payed scant regard to a letter by nhs doctors warning about underfunding and the future of our nhs. An nhs that has unfortunately had to prove it's worth more than ever this year. Too right media coverage is questioned, the so called impartial big players should be fucking ashamed of themselves.

[Megadrive Man]

This makes for grim reading;

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/mutant-coronavirus-united-kingdom-sets-alarms-its-importance-remains-unclear?fbclid=IwAR3_x4ZZ3bcwso6eB2vqNzfJKp1R1kGpLLuvEQGADAXqKCjpHRYBtcfrWtY

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

This makes for grim reading;

 

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/12/mutant-coronavirus-united-kingdom-sets-alarms-its-importance-remains-unclear?fbclid=IwAR3_x4ZZ3bcwso6eB2vqNzfJKp1R1kGpLLuvEQGADAXqKCjpHRYBtcfrWtY

 

 

 

 

Very. Any idea what they are saying about people who have already had covid being able to get a new strain of it? 

[Megadrive Man]

12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Very. Any idea what they are saying about people who have already had covid being able to get a new strain of it? 

 

No idea mate.

 

Reading between the lines, this bit;

 

"Another worry is B.1.1.7 could cause more severe disease. There is anecdotal evidence that the South African variant may be doing that in young people and those who are otherwise healthy, says John Nkengasong, director of the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention. “It’s concerning, but we really need more data to be sure.” The African Task Force for Coronavirus will convene an emergency meeting to discuss the issue on Monday, Nkengasong says"

 

And the news about the Newcastle players makes me think that this is actually more serious than the government are currently making out.  

 

Something has definitely spooked them. 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

No idea mate.

 

Reading between the lines, this bit;

 

"Another worry is B.1.1.7 could cause more severe disease. There is anecdotal evidence that the South African variant may be doing that in young people and those who are otherwise healthy, says John Nkengasong, director of the Africa Centres for Disease Control and Prevention. “It’s concerning, but we really need more data to be sure.” The African Task Force for Coronavirus will convene an emergency meeting to discuss the issue on Monday, Nkengasong says"

 

And the news about the Newcastle players makes me think that this is actually more serious than the government are currently making out.  

 

Something has definitely spooked them. 

Yeah it’s bloody awful. 

[Megadrive Man]

Has anybody seen any recent updates as to what percentage of the country they think has now had it?

 

Also this notion that the new variant might be 70% more transmissible, is that based on modelling? 

[Evelyn Tentions]

10 hours ago, Harry's Lad said:

I don't agree with that to be honest.

 

HIV and AIDS has seen huge amounts of research and money over the near 40 years it has been around mainly due to the fact that it was kept in the public eye by the media.

 

Much, much more has been spent bIG than on MS, Parkinsons, Motor Neurone disease and Muscular Dystrophy for example.

These ailments just weren't 'fashionable enough', whereas HIV and Coronavirus most definitely are. 

 

I agree that everything should be directed towards Coronavirus, of course I do, It's the single most dangerous virus in modern times and affects us all, but to say that HIV hasn't had huge resources thrown at it is wrong.

 

The reason the 'poor Africans' have been affected so much is largely down to the greed of the pharmaceutical companies.

 

 

 

Don't forget the part played by the Catholic Church (and others) and their opposition to the education about and use of condoms

[Gnasher]

Nearly a million behind on their rent in the uk, mostly under 30s. At the moment we have certain degree of government protection in furloughs and grants, what happens when they end? 

 

It feels cold talking about economic aspects when people have loved ones suffering from the virus at this time of year, maybe the economic offshoot should be in a separate thread but when this is through the country could resemble a mad max film. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/22/840000-private-tenants-in-england-and-wales-could-be-behind-on-rent-covid?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Harry's Lad]

5 hours ago, Evelyn Tentions said:

Don't forget the part played by the Catholic Church (and others) and their opposition to the education about and use of condoms

Yep.

They've got an awful lot to answer to.

[Gnasher]

9 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

And it also takes only takes a manifesto that we all over the place, a message which was confused, a part very visibly at each other’s throats, a massive arrogant approach to campaigning to swing a few votes.

 

I can’t believe this came back to ‘him’ afuckingain.

 

Good night, Gnasher, I’m not going round in circles about Corbyn anymore, it’s fucking dull and in the past.

Nothing to do with Corbyn. This is part of a conclusion into a university report on the 2015 election. 

 

About half way down it states that although up to two thirds of the electorate put the nhs as the their number one issue when voting in the forthcoming election it received hardly any tv media coverage.

 

http://www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2015/section-1-media-reporting/the-horse-race-contest-dominated-tv-news-election-coverage/

 

Now whilst both Labour and the country wanted a discussion on our NHS (and fuck me havnt they been proved right) the conservatives did not and the media basically ignored the issue. As I've already said the letter from buisness leaders supporting the tories was top story on BBC news and dominated the narrative for three days whilst the letter by NHS received little airtime. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Nothing to do with Corbyn. This is part of a conclusion into a university report on the 2015 election. 

 

About half way down it states that although up to two thirds of the electorate put the nhs as the their number one issue when voting in the forthcoming election it received hardly any tv media coverage.

 

http://www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2015/section-1-media-reporting/the-horse-race-contest-dominated-tv-news-election-coverage/

 

Now whilst both Labour and the country wanted a discussion on our NHS (and fuck me havnt they been proved right) the conservatives did not and the media basically ignored the issue. As I've already said the letter from buisness leaders supporting the tories was top story on BBC news and dominated the narrative for three days whilst the letter by NHS received little airtime. 

This is the covid thread, not the MP for Islington North thread and I have no fucking intention of going around in circles with cultists who can’t except that dear leader lost the last election because, well, a myriad of reasons, most notably that he led a catastrophic campaign.

 

So kindly, fuck off, go back to your shrine and prostrate yourself in front of your deity. 

[Paulie Dangerously]

NEU urging the English government to extend the holidays to allow 2 weeks of home learning before returning to schools for primary and secondary teachers. As someone who almost certainly caught covid from school I think this is a sensible approach. It also allows secondary schools to recruit staff and make the necessary changes to accommodate the testing that the government landed on them the night the end of term. 

[Bruce Spanner]

5 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

NEU urging the English government to extend the holidays to allow 2 weeks of home learning before returning to schools for primary and secondary teachers. As someone who almost certainly caught covid from school I think this is a sensible approach. It also allows secondary schools to recruit staff and make the necessary changes to accommodate the testing that the government landed on them the night the end of term. 

I think we’re being primed for it.

 

Say a one month full lockdown from the 27th/28th with schools starting back mid Jan.

 

Fine, I just don’t trust them to have anything sorted by the time it comes to an end.

 

Utterly shambolic.