American Politics

[Red Phoenix]

8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

Most Americans want universal healthcare but the "Medicare for All" programme as proposed by Sanders would ban private health insurance, and hardly anyone actually wants that.

 

 

 

I wonder if most Americans want that?

 

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Biden himself, at least on his campaign website, now supports making Social Security more generous, not less. But that’s at odds with decades of his own advocacy, a record that could become a major political liability among voters concerned Biden will finally get his wish to trim back Social Security checks. Because about half of black seniors on Social Security rely on it as their

primary means of support, any trimming of the program hits those beneficiaries particularly hard.

 

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/13/biden-cuts-social-security/

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

16 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

If Biden is a senile liar what is Trump?

 

You could maybe say they're both senile liars. But Trump defied all odds, partly due to his relentless attacks on other figures, to become president. It's one of the things he's most experienced at and I think he'd destroy Biden.

 

Not that that would make him impossible to elect because the media would rally around Biden and try to discredit Trump but it didn't swing it in 2016 so probably wouldn't this time either. The only thing that I think could work would be the US public being so sick of Trump that they'd simply vote in almost anyone else. That could allow Biden to win, but after months of him making a fool of himself who knows what'd happen.

 

And this primary isn't over yet, but if Biden has taken so many states already I don't see how that's going to change so I guess Sanders isn't making that delegate count to get him though in the first round. So we're off to a brokered convention and what could be total chaos and a big split in the Dems voters, making Biden weaker from the off.

 

And that brokered convention if it happens will be like gold dust for Trump in his assaults on Biden for the election.

[Red Phoenix]

I'd not really like this at all but it could be the only possible way for Bernie to be fairly sure of still having a good chance : Warren dropping out, endorsing him and then being picked as his vice president.

[TheHowieLama]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

And this primary isn't over yet, but if Biden has taken so many states already I don't see how that's going to change so I guess Sanders isn't making that delegate count to get him though in the first round. So we're off to a brokered convention and what could be total chaos and a big split in the Dems voters, making Biden weaker from the off.

Sanders has set himself a high bar for wining the nomination, suggesting last night that if he went into a contested convention still in the race, he would concede to Biden if the former vice president was ahead on delegates, even if Biden had failed to amass a majority.

[Red Phoenix]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Sanders has set himself a high bar for wining the nomination, suggesting last night that if he went into a contested convention still in the race, he would concede to Biden if the former vice president was ahead on delegates, even if Biden had failed to amass a majority.

I suppose he realises he's got no choice at that stage with so many of the super delegates probably being against him. If he still manages to win this it'll be amazing but as we can see it hardly looks possible if Biden keeps picking up states.

[Red Phoenix]

 

[SasaS]

If Biden retains this momentum over the next two Tuesdays it's pretty much over. Or not?

[Bobby Hundreds]

More chance of me fucking Kelly Brook than Sanders winning.

[TheHowieLama]

Warren is out

[Red Phoenix]

 

[SasaS]

It's Joe versus the Volcano now.

[Red Phoenix]

Guardian has "Warren told reporters she would wait on endorsing one of her opponents, as many of Bernie Sanders’ supporters call on her to back her fellow progressive senator."

 

So endorsing Biden a day before the next batch of primaries maybe. He needs the boosts because there's no fucking way he's where he is now without them.

 

They'd boost a walking talking zombie as long as it kept anything classed as democratic socialism out. Or maybe even simple democracy. Anything but the needs of the masses being respected instead of profiting off that and their suffering.

[TheHowieLama]

Are you suggesting Warren will endorse Biden?

[Red Phoenix]

9 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Are you suggesting Warren will endorse Biden?

 

Yep.

 

This wouldn't surprise me either (it's a thread). Just full on rigging, and similar things were found in 2016.

 

 

 

[Red Phoenix]

In before "conspiracy theorist" :

 

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Various media pundits will continue to undermine exit poll results as a possible indicator of election fraud, going so far as to characterize those concerned with election integrity as “conspiracy theorists.” The common weakness in their commentaries is an unspoken blind faith on unverified computer vote counts.  Such unquestioning faith apparently prevents them from even acknowledging the possibility that exit polls, scientifically conducted and honed by decades of practice are accurate, and that computerized vote counts are not. In contrast, Germany’s high court squarely acknowledged the possibility of hard-to-detect fraudulent computer vote counts in its decision to abolish computer counts in their elections.

Blind faith in computer vote counting is rapidly eroding. Until the United States joins the many other countries that safeguard and promote the integrity of their elections with publicly observed hand counting of paper ballots, US elections will remain questionable and suspect.

 

http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/06/20/45/

[TheHowieLama]

Mate, if Warren endorses Biden over Sanders, Bernie either needs to quit immediately knowing the party he is trying to get nominated in does not support him or run as an independent. Which of course is what he is. For 30 years.

And - if he was genuine about taking on the political establishment it is what he should do, otherwise that talk is just lip service.

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Mate, if Warren endorses Biden over Sanders, Bernie either needs to quit immediately knowing the party he is trying to get nominated in does not support him or run as an independent. Which of course is what he is. For 30 years.

And - if he was genuine about taking on the political establishment it is what he should do, otherwise that talk is just lip service.

 

It simply means Warren is a fucking fraud if she does it.

 

 

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Yea. Either that or she doesn't like Bernie.

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Yea. Either that or she doesn't like Bernie.

 

The sensible option for her if you look at what she's said so far in her campaign I think, would be to endorse neither. I still think she'll go for Biden though.

[SasaS]

26 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

In before "conspiracy theorist" :

 

 

http://tdmsresearch.com/2016/06/20/45/

So there are just two possible outcomes of the primaries, Bernie wins or Bernie gets his victory stolen from him.

[TheHowieLama]

It would be a cruel twist to have a president who admires Russia's current dictatorship running against a challenger who praised our old one.

Garry Kasparov

[SasaS]

It's going to be a proxy fight, Russia versus Ukraine. And we know how this usually ends.

[Red Phoenix]

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

So there are just two possible outcomes of the primaries, Bernie wins or Bernie gets his victory stolen from him.

 

Well it was rigged last time, wouldn't be surprised if it happened again.

 

You carry on having so much blind faith in one of the world's most corrupt powers though, like they'd just sit back and alllow a socialist to win an election fairly, threatening the power they've gained for decades.

 

They cause coups and overthrow left wing governments around the world, yet they'd allow someone that's left wing to win an election fairly and take their own country from them? Yeah of course they would.

 

Same thing as this country and Corbyn.

 

Corbyn's supporters were fine with antisemitism apparently, Bernie's supporters are fine with online abuse apparently, I wonder what they'll say about AOC's supporters if she runs, and I wonder how they'll rig it against her?

 

It's likely they don't use paper ballots because it's much easier to rig elections electronically. Unless you don't want Sanders to win of course, in that case all of these anomalies are pure coincidence and you take the establishment line of calling those who point it out conspiracy theorists and sore losers. Easy.

 

Maybe the OAS can point out that there seems to be errors in the voting that could point towards vote tampering? Nope, they only do that if it's someone left wing that gets fucked over in South America.

 

And what will all of this mean? Easy again, it means that Americans don't want socialism. The US public should stop looking at supposed Russian tampering and look at their own authorities instead.

 

And get used to hearing about Hunter Biden and Burisma if he wins, that's going to be great too.

[Bjornebye]

Hahaha but its ok for Trump to offer Iran out on Twitter. 

 

Corrupt world. 

[Red Phoenix]

Imagine what the Republicans are going to do to him when he has such a long record of lying. They must have a ton of stuff like this. They'll demolish him and the only thing that can possibly save him is never Trumpers. Are there enough never Trumpers to win the election though?