Should Corbyn remain as Labour leader?

[Section_31]

3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

It will be shit. The only way it won’t be shit for a long time is if we had radical change and reform but that won’t happen under Starmer. I expect a bit of pressure to be released but the Tories have put us that deep into the shit it will take years of a Labour government to shift us 25 degrees back around. This mess is legacy mess and the Tories will know that Labour is taking over a burning building and that’s where they will lay the blame. In short, we’re fucked. 

 

Time will tell I suppose. He's on about getting rid of the Lords which is pretty radical to be fair, who knows what might follow. 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

21 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

Time will tell I suppose. He's on about getting rid of the Lords which is pretty radical to be fair, who knows what might follow. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah but that's not going to hugely imact the day to day lives of the many. Hopefully he is playing his cards close to his chest because he knows what the right wing media is capable oif. At the moment many pissed off tories don't see a Starmer led Labour as "that bad". Fingers crossed he gets into the hot seat and goes "hahahahaha you fuckers!!!!" then lays out a socialist agenda and executes it. I'm a dreamer. 

[skend04]

6 hours ago, Section_31 said:

Gnasher I can't keep up with you. I thought you were well into all that British jobs for British people stuff? That's what most of your posts on the EU thread are about. 

 

As for the arms manufacture stuff, how many working class people work in the arms industry, especially in the North West. Cammell Laird have got Type 45 Destroyers out the arse. 

 

Whether Owen Jones and co agree with it or not, the arms industry employs a lot of people - a lot of union, Labour voting people at that.  

 

This is where I get annoyed at the hijacking of the term 'left'. There's nothing left wing about ditching armies and nuclear weapons. That's, I dunno, liberal/woodstock hippy stuff. Liverpool is traditionally blue labour. It's Labour, it's unionised jobs, it's socially conservative. Kashmir and non binary existentialism need not apply. 

Hey, woah there!

 

What's my dad done to deserve being kicked out of Labour?

[Gooch]

What was his overall view on the Autumn statement? Not paid too close attention to it but seems the Tories and Labour are largely in agreement unless I’ve missed something. Don’t see much to look forward to unless that changes, not opposing the largest drop in living standards in a generation is not a good look.

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Hey, woah there!

 

What's my dad done to deserve being kicked out of Labour?

 

He's a wool.

[Arniepie]

I'm no expert on European politics but it does seem strange that many Western European countries do have some sort of left of centre option at the polls,whereas in this country anyone who even gets anyway near a progressive manifesto is portrayed as Karl Mark.

[skend04]

5 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

He's a wool.

That's spelt 'Cashmere' completely different.

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

That's spelt 'Cashmere' completely different.

I'm afraid I refuse to accept your rebuttal of my excellent joke. 

[Carradona]

A man of the people.

[skend04]

On 23/11/2022 at 17:25, Jairzinho said:

I'm afraid I refuse to accept your rebuttal of my excellent joke. 

At least I got the joke. The lack of any upvotes for it is shocking. 

[Jairzinho]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

At least I got the joke. The lack of any upvotes for it is shocking. 

 

Place has gone to the dogs. Not helped by 90% of posters being one of about four people. 

[Gnasher]

42 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Place has gone to the dogs. Not helped by 90% of posters being one of about four people. 

 

Rest assured Corbyn would've got that joke straight away, and it's his name on the tin. He'd definitely know his Kasmir's from his Cashmere's although I'd bet he knows a lot more about the former than the latter. He'd have appreciated that joke. He'd have gave that quip the legendary Corbyn smirk.

 

Flew right over my head though.

[Scooby Dudek]

I got the joke, but I now feel sheepish about not repping it. 

Ewe'll have to forgive me.

[Jairzinho]

Baa humbug. 

[Gnasher]

Look who's come to town. Drakefords old Commie mate and not a spare seat in the house.

 

Latest Yougov poll. Most successful political party in Europe heading for another massive landslide. Wales two centre left parties poll a whopping 64% of the vote between them. Good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[skend04]

8 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Look who's come to town. Drakefords old Commie mate and not a spare seat in the house.

 

Latest Yougov poll. Most successful political party in Europe heading for another massive landslide. Wales two centre left parties poll a whopping 64% of the vote between them. Good.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've clearly missed where it says Westminster voting intention. The Welsh know that Starmer is the man! 

[sir roger]

Yeh, Plaid Cymru running in Henley on Thames in the next lot.

[Strontium]

This is amazing stuff, it really is. At least Red Len should go to prison.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/potential-criminality-at-labours-largest-donor-two-independent-reports-find-12764041

 

Two bombshell independent reports into alleged corruption at one of the UK's largest trade unions are to be handed to the police after "potential criminality" was discovered.
 

Sky News understands that the two separate probes into Unite The Union - one conducted by a senior lawyer and the other by an accountancy firm - found evidence of "eye-watering" overcharging on large contracts.
 

"There was pricing and overcharging that would make your eyes bleed", said a source. "There are such discrepancies in the money that the police may want to take things further."

 

Unite, which is the Labour Party's biggest donor, is already the subject of a fraud, bribery and money laundering investigation. In April, the union's London headquarters were raided by police.

This week general secretary Sharon Graham told senior officials that the internal reports will now not be published until police conclude their investigations.

Soon after taking over from Len McCluskey in 2021, Ms Graham commissioned Martin Bowdery KC to investigate her union's vastly over-budget Birmingham hotel and conference centre development.
 

Initial estimates in 2012 suggested the project, which is now complete, would cost around £7m. The final bill is in excess of £100m.

In one instance a contractor quoted around £90,000 for proposed work, but was eventually paid £1.2m, an unexplained increase of more than 1300%.

Insiders concede the gap between the union's spending on the building and its value is "minimum £31m but could easily be more".

Earlier valuations of the development suggested £70m of members' money may have been wasted.

[Bjornebye]

The timing is always interesting, as is the choice of thread considering we have a dedicted one for strike action (on the front page of the GF) and one for the current Labour leader (on the second page). 

[Section_31]

12 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

The timing is always interesting, as is the choice of thread considering we have a dedicted one for strike action (on the front page of the GF) and one for the current Labour leader (on the second page). 

 

Yeah was wondering that myself. What's this got to do with Corbyn?

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Section_31 said:

 

Yeah was wondering that myself. What's this got to do with Corbyn?

 

I suspect he didn't want to bump the strike thread because he's made a tit of himself on it. Could have used Starmer. Any chance to tar Corbyn though eh. 

[Creator Supreme]

Stig mate, I'm a Unite member. If Red Len was guilty of fraud, fine, find him guilty and send him down.

 

But you will have no doubt noted in bollock brains post that it was the current leader, Sharon Graham who instigated this investigation. No union is perfect, corruption is present, but it's not like the union leaderships are fiddling whilst Rome burns.

 

The government on the other hand!!

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Creator Supreme said:

Stig mate, I'm a Unite member. If Red Len was guilty of fraud, fine, find him guilty and send him down.

 

But you will have no doubt noted in bollock brains post that it was the current leader, Sharon Graham who instigated this investigation. No union is perfect, corruption is present, but it's not like the union leaderships are fiddling whilst Rome burns.

 

The government on the other hand!!

 

It's one for the strike thread. I'll move the post to the correct one. 

[Strontium]

30 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Yeah was wondering that myself. What's this got to do with Corbyn?

 

I am amused that someone could ask what Len McCluskey has to do with Corbyn, it's like asking what Palpatine has to do with Anakin Skywalker.

 

Regardless, it's in this thread because most previous discussion of Red Len has been in this thread.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Putting the prefix "Red" before someone's name - trying to use it as a double-edged pejorative against the individual and, by extension, anyone left of Clegg - is one for the Cunt Identifiers thread.