Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

The people on here (the intellectual set) who don't want carnage and turn up their nose, well we got a form of carnage,

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/food-bank-uk-benefits-trussell-trust-cost-of-living-highest-rate-a8317001.html

 

Let's not shy away from the real stuff.

[Gnasher]

Unless you think people are sleeping on the streets for the sake of it or the poor walk for 2 miles from a benefit office for a package of beans and Weetabix because it's a freebie then it's carnage.

 

The sooner it boils over the better imo.

[Section_31]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Unless you think people are sleeping on the streets for the sake of it or the poor walk for 2 miles from a benefit office for a package of beans and Weetabix because it's a freebie then it's carnage.

 

The sooner it boils over the better imo.

Don't fancy the carnage myself, would just prefer it if people didn't vote Tory.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

20 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

My point is chaos can be beneficial, ie the poll tax riots. 

 

The last 30 years have been a mush of political bullshit 

You know, Nietzsche says "Out of chaos comes order."

[mattyq]

I remember the Poll Tax riots well - i was a happy participant in a little one in Sheffield.

There wasn't much chaos and carnage but there was a groundswell of opinion that did for the Thatch

A hard Brexit will be a different kettle of fish altogether

People who wish for that kind of thing are idiots or sociopaths

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

My point is chaos can be beneficial, ie the poll tax riots. 

 

The last 30 years have been a mush of political bullshit 

The poll tax riots made the Tories ditch Thatcher and Major reverted to Council tax , we still voted in a Tory government at the next GE. It was hardly earth shattering in retrospect , if anything it enabled the Tories to replace Thatcher who would have arguably lost to Kinnock in 1992. 

Real chaos in my book would be more than just riots but power cuts , food. medicine and fuel shortages and an economy in free fall. That I promise you would be far worse than political bullshit and leave the door wide open for a far right leadership. 

[Gnasher]

I suppose you could call a million Brits last year as chaos but it's organised so maybe it dose not count.

 

Chaos in Greece, Italy and Catalonia iplus the massive youth unemployment across the eu is harder to simply brush off though. 

 

Thatcher used to call people like me "moaning minnies" but she was a psychopath who waged war on the poor and her dissenters.

[Gnasher]

23 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You know, Nietzsche says "Out of chaos comes order."

Yes and? 

 

Are you suggesting that a facist philosopher should stop people rebelling against the powers that be? 

 

Seems a bit  'as you were, carry on as normal, nothing to see here Sir' going on.

 

I know im in a minority  (on here) but i dont degrade the the people who choose to shake  the tree.

[magicrat]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

I suppose you could call a million Brits last year as chaos but it's organised so maybe it dose not count.

 

Chaos in Greece, Italy and Catalonia iplus the massive youth unemployment across the eu is harder to simply brush off though. 

 

Thatcher used to call people like me "moaning minnies" but she was a psychopath who waged war on the poor and her dissenters.

 

I'm not going to argue the toss about Thatcher. Hated her but she has no relevance to

Brexit. As I recall she was not about getting Britain out but securing rebates and opt outs.

Anyway some of the cunts masquerading as politicians today make her seem like Mother Therasa 

[cloggypop]

Mother Teresa was a cunt an' all. 

[SasaS]

54 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Yes and? 

 

Are you suggesting that a facist philosopher should stop people rebelling against the powers that be? 

 

Seems a bit  'as you were, carry on as normal, nothing to see here Sir' going on.

 

I know im in a minority  (on here) but i dont degrade the the people who choose to shake  the tree.

 

Fucking Nietzsche walking around, pointing a finger and telling people "I don't like your face" or "you, you have a beautiful face".

[Gnasher]

51 minutes ago, magicrat said:

 

I'm not going to argue the toss about Thatcher. Hated her but she has no relevance to

Brexit. As I recall she was not about getting Britain out but securing rebates and opt outs.

Anyway some of the cunts masquerading as politicians today make her seem like Mother Therasa 

 

The current EU is imo like a Thatcher wet dream.

 

See how the eu  responded to Greece as an example.

[Gnasher]

33 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

Fucking Nietzsche walking around, pointing a finger and telling people "I don't like your face" or "you, you have a beautiful face".

 

1 million people in this country relied on a food Bank last year. 

[Section_31]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 

The current EU is imo like a Thatcher wet dream.

 

See how the eu  responded to Greece as an example.

Dunno about that like. 

 

Our betters like to say that but free market neoliberaism is very much the darling of the Anglo Saxons. Arriva is owned by the German government. So the Tories seemingly have no problem with something being state run, they just don't want it to be our state.

 

The EU is fucked up in some ways, but the idea that they're the ones who've dragged us into Thatcherism is baffling. They're the ones who reined in its worst excesses, from working hours to being able to swim off the coast of Southport without swallowing an entire human turd.

[Gnasher]

56 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Mother Teresa was a cunt an' all. 

 

That's a valid opinion in my opinion but let's be careful with our own opinions in case it upsets other peoples opinions.

 

[magicrat]

58 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Mother Teresa was a cunt an' all. 

Thanks for pointing that out, remiss of me

[magicrat]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

The current EU is imo like a Thatcher wet dream.

 

See how the eu  responded to Greece as an example.

I have no intention of imagining Thatch having a wet dream. 

[Gnasher]

6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Dunno about that like. 

 

Our betters like to say that but free market neoliberaism is very much the darling of the Anglo Saxons. Arriva is owned by the German government. So the Tories seemingly have no problem with something being state run, they just don't want it to be our state.

 

The EU is fucked up in some ways, but the idea that they're the ones who've dragged us into Thatcherism is baffling. They're the ones who reined in its worst excesses, from working hours to being able to swim off the coast of Southport without swallowing an entire human turd.

You keep swallowing the bullshit, the reality is a neo con spunk fest.

 

 

http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/nyheter/news-2017/article.2018-01-15.4801052502

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, magicrat said:

I have no intention of imagining Thatch having a wet dream. 

 

No need to imagine, it's here in Europe now.

 

[Section_31]

8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You keep swallowing the bullshit, the reality is a neo con spunk fest.

 

 

http://www.nordiclabourjournal.org/nyheter/news-2017/article.2018-01-15.4801052502

Fuck, have I been watching fake news? How do I woke? Where's the Horlicks?

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

Fuck, have I been watching fake news? How do I woke? Where's the Horlicks?

 

 

Here you go, 1 in 5 eu youth unemployment. 

 

This from your European banker mates 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ecb-policy-draghi/europes-youth-unemployment-poses-risk-to-democracy-draghi-idUSKCN1BX13D

 

Or you could just stifle debate and pretend the 1 in 5 have no valid voice.

[Section_31]

I don't have any European banker mates. 

 

You're a god damn hot house flower.

[Gnasher]

Lovely 

 

 

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2018/02/01/youth-unemployment-europes-unshakeable-challenge.html

[mattyq]

Mate, do you want to point out any time when a period of chaos and disruption led to a beneficial outcome? 

[magicrat]

3 minutes ago, mattyq said:

Mate, do you want to point out any time when a period of chaos and disruption led to a beneficial outcome? 

Spanish civil war , post depression Germany.  Possibly not