Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Guest Pistonbroke]

What's going on with ttip? As with all things Brexit I'm reading wildly conflicting shit.

 

If it happens, which is highly unlikely in the EU, then it will be years if not decades before it can be put into practice. Have a look at the video Cloggy posted a few pages back mate. 

[cloggypop]

What's going on with ttip? As with all things Brexit I'm reading wildly conflicting shit.

It's looking considerably better for us over in the EU but more likely for you lot in the UK.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

It's looking considerably better for us over in the EU but more likely for you lot in the UK.

 

There are a lot of countries within the EU who don't want it or are very sceptical. Unless they all sign up to the idea it won't happen anytime soon. 

[Strontium]

We're all getting TTIP, which is broadly a good thing, but we'll be relying on the Tories to rein in its excesses, rather than the European parliament. So we're screwed there too.

[cloggypop]

There are a lot of countries within the EU who don't want it or are very sceptical. Unless they all sign up to the idea it won't happen anytime soon.

Whereas the UK could end up with Gove in charge and nobody to oppose him

 

http://www.waronwant.org/media/government-propaganda-defence-ttip

 

He is very much in favour. The use of scaremongering really stands out there for me.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Whereas the UK could end up with Gove in charge and nobody to oppose him

 

http://www.waronwant.org/media/government-propaganda-defence-ttip

 

He is very much in favour. The use of scaremongering really stands out there for me.

 

Yep, but he couldn't implement it until the UK is officially out of the EU. 

[Denny Crane]

Whereas the UK could end up with Gove in charge and nobody to oppose him

 

http://www.waronwant.org/media/government-propaganda-defence-ttip

 

He is very much in favour.

 

The use of scaremongering really stands out there for me.

 

The man they have appointed to oversee the intial phase.

 

[Dicko]

Of course, but calling 17 million Leavers 'Fascists' is a massive over-reaction.

 

True.

Stupid fucking twats would be a better term.

[njackets]

It's looking considerably better for us over in the EU but more likely for you lot in the UK.

Fucking hell! Are there any passionate who haven't left this thread in weeks Remainers actualy living here in the UK? There seems to be a patten emerging!

[M_B]

Fucking hell! Are there any passionate who haven't left this thread in weeks Remainers actualy living here in the UK? There seems to be a patten emerging!

 

Yes me. Although I do divide my time between here and Italy.

[Rico1304]

 

Hahaha.

 

@ggreenwald 3 hours ago

 

As failures of elite institutions become manifest, it's natural that democracy (ie the population) becomes the enemy.

Quoting Glen Greenwald doesn't add to your credibility.

[Strontium]

Fucking hell! Are there any passionate who haven't left this thread in weeks Remainers actualy living here in the UK? There seems to be a patten emerging!

 

Yes, the pattern is that those of us who have actually taken advantage of the freedoms the EU has delivered for us and expanded our horizons in different countries, are most likely not to be insular mouthbreathing cretins.

[dennis tooth]

Dye breathe out your arse or somethin?

[Strontium]

No, but I've noticed some folk talking out of theirs.

[moof]

Fucking hell! Are there any passionate who haven't left this thread in weeks Remainers actualy living here in the UK? There seems to be a patten emerging!

Having lived and worked in Europe, I've experienced the benefits first hand. Also have many, many European friends who are totally bemused with the U.K. abandoning ship, which, in a lot of ways, severely weakens all of the member states.

 

There are plenty of europhiles among us for whom the world doesn't end at Dover.

[Spy Bee]

So we should probably decide the future of the country based on the 2% of people who have elsewhere in the EU. Just the EU though mind, not the world.

[Strontium]

No, we should decide the future of the country based on the 48% of people who aren't insular mouthbreathing cretins. QED.

[Strontium]

Having lived and worked in Europe, I've experienced the benefits first hand. Also have many, many European friends who are totally bemused with the U.K. abandoning ship, which, in a lot of ways, severely weakens all of the member states.

 

There are plenty of europhiles among us for whom the world doesn't end at Dover.

 

Clamping down on freedom weakens everyone. I feel like I'm living in a larger version of North Korea. We should rename ourselves Great Prison and have done with it.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Under EU laws, any refugee arriving or landing in a member state must seek asylum in that member state. So for example, if a refugee or economic migrant arrives in say Italy, then they must seek asylum in Italy and Italy must not give them free passage to say France for them to seek asylum there.

 

Not only that, the French have said all the scaremongering about removing the UK Border checks in Calais is just that, scaremongering.

 

So yet again, sorry you're wrong. Its not easy and its illegal under EU law.

Under what law is it illegal?

 

Section and subsection please.

 

If it's illegal, why do people who travel across Europe from the likes of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Eritrea etc still get granted asylum in the UK despite their alleged illegality?

[dennis tooth]

He never liked democracy. The cause of all sd's ills.

[Barrington Womble]

Under what law is it illegal?

 

Section and subsection please.

 

If it's illegal, why do people who travel across Europe from the likes of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Eritrea etc still get granted asylum in the UK despite their alleged illegality?

Isn't that because they travel into Europe, keep travelling and only apply for asylum once they reach the border of the country they want to enter? I might be wrong about that, but I've always assumed that's what happened.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Isn't that because they travel into Europe, keep travelling and only apply for asylum once they reach the border of the country they want to enter? I might be wrong about that, but I've always assumed that's what happened.

Aren't they still technically arriving or landing in these countries though by doing that?

 

The Dublin Regulations, in practice, have limited impact and depend on numerous things such as a refugees ability to avail themselves to the authorities in that country, the reception facilities available for asylum seekers in the country in question, whether they were travelling freely or under the control of a smuggler/agent etc.

[Strontium]

The pertinent point is that anyone who votes for anything in order to keep refugees out is a cunt of the absolute maximum order.

[cloggypop]

I've always found that I like refugees more than I like people who hate refugees.

[Strontium]

I would swap literally every one of the 17 million who voted for Brexit for 17 million refugees. And that includes members of my own family, now disowned.