Malaysian Boeing 777 goes missing

[Spy Bee]

With the exception of pilot suicide, other theories credibly and expertly disproved.

I'll watch it and then comment, but I think pilot suicide is just totally irrational. There's just no way a suicidal person would go to those lengths to ultimately crash a plane. Also, when he was disabling the transponders you'd think the co-pilot or cabin crew might have twigged.

[stringvest]

With the exception of pilot suicide, other theories credibly and expertly disproved.

 

fuck that then.  No lizards, I'm not interested.

[bouncebrigade]

fuck that then.  No lizards, I'm not interested.

 

I think there's another forum for you, somewhere else (far away).

[bouncebrigade]

I'll watch it and then comment, but I think pilot suicide is just totally irrational. There's just no way a suicidal person would go to those lengths to ultimately crash a plane. Also, when he was disabling the transponders you'd think the co-pilot or cabin crew might have twigged.

 

My guess is, if this theory is correct, he went to these lengths so his family would still receive insurance payouts.

 

Regarding the transponders etc, I'm not qualified enough to comment.  I'm not sure what your background is but I would be happier to defer to qualified experts in this area.  It seems it is very easy to turn off the transponders, possibly / probably after he locked his co-pilot out of the cockpit.

 

Watch it and see what you think, I think it is very well done.

[Spy Bee]

Regarding the transponders etc, I'm not qualified enough to comment.  I'm not sure what your background is but I would be happier to defer to qualified experts in this area.  It seems it is very easy to turn off the transponders, possibly / probably after he locked his co-pilot out of the cockpit.

Transponders are outside the cockpit and were turned off within no time of the plane leaving Vietnamese airspace.

 

Oh I don't care really. I'm not going to solve the mystery on here am I!

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

My guess is, if this theory is correct, he went to these lengths so his family would still receive insurance payouts.

 

Regarding the transponders etc, I'm not qualified enough to comment.  I'm not sure what your background is but I would be happier to defer to qualified experts in this area.  It seems it is very easy to turn off the transponders, possibly / probably after he locked his co-pilot out of the cockpit.

 

Watch it and see what you think, I think it is very well done.

 

If someone had the 'decency' to think about financial payout, I doubt they'd knowingly wipe out 150 people. The problem being, it's harder to predict the behaviour of someone who is mentally unwell.

[bouncebrigade]

Transponders are outside the cockpit and were turned off within no time of the plane leaving Vietnamese airspace.

 

Oh I don't care really. I'm not going to solve the mystery on here am I!

 

I thought there was a switch inside the cockpit.

[Bjornebye]

It's in the drink

[VladimirIlyich]

It isn't uncommon for pitot tubes to become iced up on any flight - they clear themselves within sixty seconds. It must be horribly disorientating but that was still pilot error - one pilot pulled up, the other down and the pilot pulling up was doing the exact opposite to correct an aerodynamic stall. The captain only realised the problem about 2000 feet above the sea when it was sadly too late to correct the stall.

Then I suppose its going to be pilot error pretty much all the time if not being trained well enough to fly while being given multiple incorrect readings and faults.

The Qantas incident a few years back showed how an experienced crew of three,one an instructor if i remember correctly? Can avoid a disaster if well trained.

[Spy Bee]

I thought there was a switch inside the cockpit.

No, much more complicated than a switch.

[TheBitch]

Transponders are outside the cockpit and were turned off within no time of the plane leaving Vietnamese airspace.

 

Oh I don't care really. I'm not going to solve the mystery on here am I!

Don't give up so easily.

[RobbieOR]

Yeah just finished watching that documentary. Very interesting.

[cochyn]

It's in the drink

 

Isn't 'the drink' an old royal navy term for Diego Garcia?

[bouncebrigade]

Do you agree with the conclusions, Rob?

[Guest davelfc]

First time I've actually seen the 'facts' as they stand put forward.

 

Given this and the recent co-pilot actions on that GermanWings flight it's a lot easier to accept that the pilot (or co-pilot) did something to the plane. Let's assume the pilot did as they said in the documentary, he knew they'd have very little chance of finding the wreckage and even less of recovering the black box.

 

I'm still puzzled as to why he would have done it, they will have been through his life with a fine tooth comb as well as the rest of the crew. 

 

I'm not buying the 'shot down' conspiracy. It does like like someone intentionally sent the plane on a one way trip to splashville. 

 

The only possible reason for doing this might have been to kill someone on the plane, easier ways to do that than this though. 

[bouncebrigade]

First time I've actually seen the 'facts' as they stand put forward.

 

Given this and the recent co-pilot actions on that GermanWings flight it's a lot easier to accept that the pilot (or co-pilot) did something to the plane. Let's assume the pilot did as they said in the documentary, he knew they'd have very little chance of finding the wreckage and even less of recovering the black box.

 

I'm still puzzled as to why he would have done it, they will have been through his life with a fine tooth comb as well as the rest of the crew.

 

I'm not buying the 'shot down' conspiracy. It does like like someone intentionally sent the plane on a one way trip to splashville.

 

The only possible reason for doing this might have been to kill someone on the plane, easier ways to do that than this though.

There are some stories floating around that the co-pilot was very much linked to the leading opposition party in Malaysia. Apparently there was some ruling around the time of the incident which was bad news for them and their prospects of gaining power (or something to that effect). The story goes that this may have been some attempt at making a big political statement. Crazy but plausible I suppose.

[bouncebrigade]

I should have said pilot, not co pilot.

[Bjornebye]

Isn't 'the drink' an old royal navy term for Diego Garcia?

Grass

[cochyn]

Grass

 

 

I'm on to you, sunshine.

[Spy Bee]

I have just watched that documentary. I think it's okay, but very sketchy on detail (such as how complex disabling the ACARS System is) and just draws a lot of lazy comparisons. All it really achieves is ruling out some kind of accident.

[Dan Vito Corleone]

I'll give that a watch but it will all be speculation which I think this plane is destined to have surrounding it forever.

[RobbieOR]

Do you agree with the conclusions, Rob?

 

I'm not an expert by any means but it's the only plausible explanation.

[JohnnyH]

I've found it!

 

Oh hang on, that's just my other leg.

[the chimp]

Although, not a plane this time,  http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysian-pm-najib-razak-griefstricken-by-helicopter-crash-that-killed-six-20150405-1meqo4.html

[Spy Bee]

Okay, so I was talking to a pilot last night and he said that it's actually really easy to turn off ACARS and the transponder without leaving the cockpit. He said that neither are infallible either and that ACARS does sometimes turn itself off. He doesn't claim to know the answers, but whenever I have read about ACARS it's been claimed that it is very difficult to manually turn it off.