Liverpool John Moores University...anyone know anything about it?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Not this year it hasn't.

 

Did you see the link I gave above for the 2011 rating? 82nd out of 90.

 

EDIT:

 

Doing well in history, too.

 

University guide 2011: History and history of art | Education | guardian.co.uk

[Hair Police]

Did you see the link I gave above for the 2011 rating? 82nd out of 90.

 

No, I didn't. I'm not sure what figures you have quoted. As per the figures I have, which are distributed to lecturers prior to the start of every new semester by the International Education and Qualifications board, LJMU has moved 33 places from last years standing of 82. I'll double check this with my faculty, but as per its advances this year it is no longer in the lower echelons.

[Hair Police]

Did you see the link I gave above for the 2011 rating? 82nd out of 90.

 

EDIT:

 

Doing well in history, too.

 

University guide 2011: History and history of art | Education | guardian.co.uk

 

I left Keele seven years ago. This is irrelevant.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

No, I didn't. I'm not sure what figures you have quoted. As per the figures I have, which are distributed to lecturers prior to the start of every new semester by the International Education and Qualifications board, LJMU has moved 33 places from last years standing of 82. I'll double check this with my faculty, but as per its advances this year it is no longer in the lower echelons.

 

I'm using the Guardian 2011. It's 82nd/90 for law and 92nd/93 for History.

 

I take it you work at JMU?

 

I left Keele seven years ago. This is irrelevant.

 

No, it is entirely relevant when you say that ''Keele has a history department on par with Oxford and Cambridge". Why would it be irrelevant, is it because it means what you've said is nonsense?

[Hair Police]

I'm using the Guardian 2011. It's 82nd/90 for law and 92nd/93 for History.

 

I take it you work at JMU?

 

I was part of the English faculty last year. I am teaching at UMASS this coming year. However, I am working as an Aimhigher associate at present trying to aid college students in their efforts to attain a university education. I'm not sure about the Guardian figures, to be honest. I'll have to see how the figures I have are devised in comparison. But as I am working with children in the Liverpool and Manchester area, I would be slightly aggrieved if I am misinforming people. I'll check this with the faculty I am working with at Hope.

[Hair Police]

No, it is entirely relevant when you say that ''Keele has a history department on par with Oxford and Cambridge". Why would it be irrelevant, is it because it means what you've said is nonsense?

 

I was writing about my time. Obviosly I failed to write in the past-tense. I apologise.

[Johnni]

I reckon overall Liverpool uni will be better than LJM and so will alot of other uni's but most uni's in the same group as LJM have dept's that are just as good as the top unis. I'm doing a masters in Water Engineering and the course is one of a few that are accredited by the CIWEM however other depts/course are probably shite.

Plus it all depends on the lecturers you get as some are fucking awful but at top uni's cos they're research is top notch but cant teach for shit.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I was part of the English faculty last year. I am teaching at UMASS this coming year. However, I am working as an Aimhigher associate at present trying to aid college students in their efforts to attain a university education. I'm not sure about the Guardian figures, to be honest. I'll have to see how the figures I have are devised in comparison. But as I am working with children in the Liverpool and Manchester area, I would be slightly aggrieved if I am misinforming people. I'll check this with the faculty I am working with at Hope.

 

Sounds like a plan, el hombre.

 

I was writing about my time. Obviosly I failed tow rite in the past-tense. I apologise.

 

Your apology is more than accepted, mi amigo. I smacked your bum, though.

[Hair Police]

Liverpool is a far superior university overall, yes. I am not disputing that. However, as per that data that I am working with and the advice I have been given during my training over the past three weeks, LJMU is one of the most improved universities over the last twelve months in certain departments. Law at Hope should be one's main aim. If that fails, I don't really see LJMU as a bad fall-back, really.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Liverpool is a far superior university overall, yes. I am not disputing that. However, as per that data that I am working with and the advice I have been given during my training over the past three weeks, LJMU is one of the most improved universities over the last twelve months in certain departments. Law at Hope should be one's main aim. If that fails, I don't really see LJMU as a bad fall-back, really.

 

Ah, I'm not sticking up for University of Liverpool (nor battering JMU). I didn't go to either, so don't really care. I was just taken aback by your claim that Keele's History dept. was up there with Oxford and Cambridge. Certainly something I'd refute.

[Hair Police]

Ah, I'm not sticking up for University of Liverpool (nor battering JMU). I didn't go to either, so don't really care. I was just taken aback by your claim that Keele's History dept. was up there with Oxford and Cambridge. Certainly something I'd refute.

 

Well when I was studying under Dr. Peter Jackson and Dr. Philip Morgan, both respected scholars and authors, it was--both lecturers had come from Oxford. Evidently things have changed somewhat. I'm no longer affiliated with Keele, and I was a tad hasty in my comment there. I'm surprised at how far down the Guardian standings the university is, to be honest.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Well when I was studying under Dr. Peter Jackson

 

I respect his work. Especially his work on middleeathology.

 

Anyway, I'm shooting off to watch the sport that shan't be named.

[R Kid]

Liverpool is a far superior university overall, yes. I am not disputing that. However, as per that data that I am working with and the advice I have been given during my training over the past three weeks, LJMU is one of the most improved universities over the last twelve months in certain departments. Law at Hope should be one's main aim. If that fails, I don't really see LJMU as a bad fall-back, really.

 

I reflect also numero nueve's statement that I am not knocking LJMU.

 

I am not a snob and what I was saying is that LJMU does provide a vital part in providing skills required in the economy. There is absolutely nothing wring with LJMU but Liverpool uni is better at what it does than LJMU and vice versa LJMU is better at doing what it does.

 

I don't think there are too many courses that are offered by both universities so the argument is rather non existant, and that is what I mean about the two both doing 2 completely different jobs.

 

I personally think it may be a good idea to join both Liverpool uni and LJMU and the money saved put back into the facilities to the advantage of both universities.

 

PS what is your name and I will send a copy of the post where you recomend porn site to your boss so he/she knows what your really like.

[Unrighteous]

I just graduated from John Moores, and they were the only school in the country that provided the course that I wanted to take.

 

I like to slag shit off, but ill keep this pretty positive. It used to be a polytechnic and they really wanted you to do things more than just cram and remember for an exam. Of course, I was in the Business School which I thought was ok.

 

If you learn with a bit more 'hands on' approach then my experience at John Moores suggests that its a pretty decent place to go.

 

University of Liverpool's library was better which would lead me think that english facilities/history departments/etc would be a better choice there.

 

edit: I'd like to also add that I've fucked around at Uni for a very long time. I've been at a big school in the USA, and a very good school in Canada for essentially independant studies considering I never polished off my Classical History degree there. You could be at the best school in the world and still learn close to fuck all... it all depends on you. You're there for a piece of a paper, and development of your thinking. Saying one school is better than the other is pretty silly... they might offer more, or have more students that go on to better things usually because they are stricter on who they let in.

[Hair Police]

I reflect also numero nueve's statement that I am not knocking LJMU.

 

I am not a snob and what I was saying is that LJMU does provide a vital part in providing skills required in the economy. There is absolutely nothing wring with LJMU but Liverpool uni is better at what it does than LJMU and vice versa LJMU is better at doing what it does.

 

I don't think there are too many courses that are offered by both universities so the argument is rather non existant, and that is what I mean about the two both doing 2 completely different jobs.

 

I personally think it may be a good idea to join both Liverpool uni and LJMU and the money saved put back into the facilities to the advantage of both universities.

 

PS what is your name and I will send a copy of the post where you recomend porn site to your boss so he/she knows what your really like.

 

Having spoken to my current team leader the Guardian figures are a straight-forward yearly return, which details grades alone. The data we are working with is based on grades and improvement from the previous year, which seems a tad dubious. Especially considering that LJMU has risen above certain institutions who have remained consistent--i.e maintained a high level. I'm not sure what to make of this, in all fairness. It seems like a slice of academic spin. No wonder I'm not told to go out and advise parents and prospective students alike that LJMU is teetering on the brink of relegation.

 

I apologise for being so cocksure.

 

As for the porn. I think someone must have hacked into my account.

[R Kid]

Having spoken to my current team leader the Guardian figures are a straight-forward yearly return, which details grades alone. The data we are working with is based on grades and improvement from the previous year, which seems a tad dubious. Especially considering that LJMU has risen above certain institutions who have remained consistent--i.e maintained a high level. I'm not sure what to make of this, in all fairness. It seems like a slice of academic spin. No wonder I'm not told to go out and advise parents and prospective students alike that LJMU is teetering on the brink of relegation.

 

I apologise for being so cocksure.

 

As for the porn. I think someone must have hacked into my account.

 

I know lots of people who have gone to LJMU who now have very good careers and very rewarding jobs. They got a degree and a decent job because LJMU was there, if they would have tried for Liverpool uni for instance then they either wouldn't have got in, or wouldn't have enjoyed it because of where Liverpool uni students generally come from.

 

I think it's a bit too easy to be a snob and for people to start getting up themselves about higher education but as I have eluded too we can't all do the same things in life and as a result different universities are required, just like there are different types of vocational qualifications i.e. brick laying and cookery for instance.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Having spoken to my current team leader the Guardian figures are a straight-forward yearly return, which details grades alone.

 

Not actually true, mate.

 

The Guardian’s league tables use six different criteria. The Guardian does not provide the raw data for any of these criteria but instead assigns a mark out of 10. The weighting given to each criterion is given in brackets. The Guardian gives no weight to the research output of a university. [12] . The Guardian Online provides the facility to sort the table by any of the criteria. The Guardian also provides ranks for individual subjects.

 

Teaching quality - as rated by graduates of the course (10%) - This data was taken from the National Student Survey.

Feedback - as rated by graduates of the course (5%)

Spending per student (17%)

Staff/student ratio (17%)

Job prospects (17%) - from DLHE

Value added - comparing students' degree results with their entry qualifications (17%)

Entry score (17%)

[Hair Police]

Not actually true, mate.

 

Yes. I'll do some research this evening when I have some time to myself at home. I'm not sure how the Guardian tables sit with widening participation outlets such as Aimhigher. It would make sense if everything was delivered on the basis of one set of findings, though. However, as per your comments, it seems that we are working from a different grading scheme. We are given a six point scale based on the assessments and recommendations of the Assessment Board, but this differs somewhat from the points you have outlined from the Guardian, strangely. Like I said earlier, we are accounting for academic advancement--working out an improvement ratio based on the previous year's achievements.

 

I have three weeks left in this role, so I'm not going to keep up a stink over this. However, I feel slightly aggrieved that I'm plugging LMJU based on what may prove to be bogus demographics, etcetera.

[R Kid]

I think people are missing the point here so I will try to explain in a bit mroe detail.

 

I am going to Liverpool uni i as a mature student to Study a combined honours degree in MAthematical Physics, Chemistry and Spanish. People who go to LJMU couldn'tdo what I am doing, but that doesn't make me any better than them, because i don't have the personal skills that they have.

 

The point people seem to be missing is that the universitys in the country are there to provide skills for the economy, and both Liverpool and JMU cater to completely different people with different skill sets.

 

Just get the next person who wants to come along and give it the big one that they are going to Cambridge Uni to train to become a brain surgeon and get them to try to work as a brick layer or a bus driver. The world wouldn't work if we all went to university, there is no food chain where people who go to better uni's are more valued by society because the fact is we all need each other and to quote Martin Luther King Jnr:

 

Everybody can be great... because anybody can serve. You don't have to have a college degree to serve. You don't have to make your subject and verb agree to serve. you only need a heart full of grace. a soul generated by love.

 

Or even:

 

If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I think people are missing the point here so I will try to explain in a bit mroe detail.

 

I am going to Liverpool uni i as a mature student to Study a combined honours degree in MAthematical Physics, Chemistry and Spanish. People who go to LJMU couldn'tdo what I am doing, but that doesn't make me any better than them, because i don't have the personal skills that they have.

 

The point people seem to be missing is that the universitys in the country are there to provide skills for the economy, and both Liverpool and JMU cater to completely different people with different skill sets.

 

Just get the next person who wants to come along and give it the big one that they are going to Cambridge Uni to train to become a brain surgeon and get them to try to work as a brick layer or a bus driver. The world wouldn't work if we all went to university, there is no food chain where people who go to better uni's are more valued by society because the fact is we all need each other and to quote Martin Luther King Jnr:

 

Everybody can be great... because anybody can serve. You don't have to have a college degree to serve. You don't have to make your subject and verb agree to serve. you only need a heart full of grace. a soul generated by love.

 

Or even:

 

If a man is called to be a streetsweeper, he should sweep streets even as Michelangelo painted, or Beethoven composed music, or Shakespeare wrote poetry. He should sweep streets so well that all the hosts of heaven and earth will pause to say, here lived a great streetsweeper who did his job well.

 

I don't really know what your point is here, mate?

 

EDIT: I mean in relevance to this thread, not in general.

[R Kid]

I don't really know what your point is here, mate?

 

EDIT: I mean in relevance to this thread, not in general.

 

Well there seems to be a number of people who are just going around saying that JMU is shit and of its no good and thats it. You seem to be banding around stats while hair cut is trying to defnd the uni. The point I am making is that if LJMU is the right uni for you then there is absolutely nothing wriong with it.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Well there seems to be a number of people who are just going around saying that JMU is shit and of its no good and thats it. You seem to be banding around stats while hair cut is trying to defnd the uni. The point I am making is that if LJMU is the right uni for you then there is absolutely nothing wriong with it.

 

Well, whether anything is wrong with it depends on what you're trying to achieve.

 

All I'm saying is that it isn't a particularly well rated University, especially in those areas we've been discussing.

[R Kid]

Well, whether anything is wrong with it depends on what you're trying to achieve.

 

All I'm saying is that it isn't a particularly well rated University, especially in those areas we've been discussing.

 

And I agree with you there, but if you look at it from the point of view of the people who I know who have gone there and now live in nice houses in Mossley Hill and now have good jobs then it was the right uni and a good uni for them.

 

The league tables as you pointed out showed that if you where a straight A student and you wanted to become a barrister then you wouldn't really want to study there would you. But at the same time do you think the people who go to the top universities would be able to do the jobs that the people that go to JMU would?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

And I agree with you there

 

Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree, mate.

[R Kid]

Then we're just going to have to agree to disagree, mate.

 

I had to change it as had written a typo, my mistake we do actually agree if you read it again.