Reports linking Keane with City.

[Major Tom]

Ground control to Major Tom. Ground control to Major Tom. Come in Major Tom. Ground control thinks you are an utter dick Major Tom.

 

Gimp.

[Major Tom]

Right, can of worms time.

 

Please take a look at this website. There are some questionable calls but overall it gives a relatively accurate view of transfer spending.

 

Rafa has been backed, and backed well (As have all our managers) .That he decides to buy poorly, or buy in bulk is his decision.

 

Transfer League

 

Exactly.

 

With the money he has spent, I would have expected our squad to be far stronger than it is.

[Stu Monty]

£20m net a season. That's pretty much what he's got.

 

If people think that's enough then fair enough.

[Dirk]

Gimp.

 

You need to climb back in your rocket, man, you fucking space cadet.

[WaltonRed]

£223,245,000 in 16 years.

 

Fuck me.

[Major Tom]

You need to climb back in your rocket, man, you fucking space cadet.

 

OK, I'm pretty new round here but it seems you're a bit of an old timer, Dirk.

 

So the drill is if you disagree with someone, just hand out petty insults?

[PaulMcC]

£223,245,000 in 16 years.

 

Fuck me.

 

Wonder how much Sounees got. He seemed to get decent money for the time and nearly every signing was shit.

[Dirk]

OK, I'm pretty new round here but it seems you're a bit of an old timer, Dirk.

 

So the drill is if you disagree with someone, just hand out petty insults?

 

I like this guy, he's quick.

[05 Milan]

£223,245,000 in 16 years.

 

Fuck me.

 

What does this post even mean? Would you rather the club spent their income by paying out dividends to the shareholders?

[The Dude Abides]

Christ there's some fucking weapons about.

[WaltonRed]

What does this post even mean? Would you rather the club spent their income by paying out dividends to the shareholders?

 

It means that with all that money subsequent managers havent even come close to number 19.

[05 Milan]

It means that with all that money subsequent managers havent even come close to number 19.

 

Well, some would say that's not so weird considering our rivals have spent more.

[Major Tom]

I like this guy, he's quick.

 

Right. So maybe now we are friends, you can help me out here, Dirk.

 

Who's at fault? Me, for not being able to tolerate right twunts?

 

Or you, for being a right twunt in the first place?

 

Thoughts, Dirk?

[WaltonRed]

Well, some would say that's not so weird considering our rivals have spent more.

 

Only Chelsea according to that league thing.

[05 Milan]

Only Chelsea according to that league thing.

 

We've been over this countless times, so I guess there's no point in taking it further.

 

I really don't see how anyone can doubt our financial inferiority though.

[KevieG]

We've been over this countless times, so I guess there's no point in taking it further.

 

I really don't see how anyone can doubt our financial inferiority though.

 

Its pretty obvious that we were spending more of our income as a percentage on transfers than some and that we have been sliding financially speaking since the start of the premiership due to bad management from the manager of the team up to whatever gombeen has been CEO/Chairman/Owner.

 

Its also pretty obvious that we have been very very far from paupers. Its just that we've had several managers who buy 2 shit players instead of one good one.

 

I would also concede that Arsenal, United and Chelsea spend more on wages according to some other report I have seen used.

[TheHitman]

No matter how much a player costs or how high profile they are each player gets treated the same by Rafa. This has its positives and negatives depending on the view you want to take but i perceive it as quite fair and consistent. I remember in the past people used to say that Alonso was Rafas favourite, well when he thought he was surplus to requirements their was no extra loyalty handed out also Hyppia as well.

 

I just can't buy into Rafa has personal issues with Keane or any player although i think if Cisse had stayed any longer Rafa would have exploded on the touchline, the reason he gets subbed is attacking players get subbed more frequently by Rafa and in general by all managers, see Babel Bennyoun.

 

I actually think Rafa likes players to have a bit of fire in their belly he likes the passion that players like Keane and the Chief and Carra and show in my view. You only need to read what Carra said about the argies in the Valencia dressing room and his alleged subtle hints to Carra.

 

I think the reason Kuyt stays on is he has got quite a few late goals for us in the past in the last 15 mins of a game. However it's not Kuyt keeping him out of the team at present unless Robbie wants to play on the right;) although who knows what his good mate Jamie would make of it. Also we all know Keane and Jamie Rednapp are good pals and yet Arry and his media pals are coming out saying all sorts in the media, stinks in my opinion.

[Dicko]

Josemi Rey Malaga £2,000,000 26.07.2004

Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000* 17.08.2004

Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20.08.2004

Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20.08.2004

Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 05.01.2005

Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13.01.2005

Scott Carson Leeds United £1,000,000 21.01.2005

Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 04.07.2005

Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free* 04.07.2005

Jose Reina Villareal £6,000,000 04.07.2005

Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14.07.2005

Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20.07.2005

Godwin Antwi Real Zaragoza Unknown 15.08.2005

Miki Roque Lleida Unknown 15.08.2005

Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £150,000* 18.08.2005

Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000* 22.08.2005

Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000* 20.10.2005

Paul Anderson Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006

Jan Kromkamp Villareal Player Exchange* 04.01.2006

Daniel Agger Brøndby £5,800,000 12.01.2006

David Martin MK Dons £250,000* 12.01.2006

Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27.01.2006

Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 01.07.2006

Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2,000,000 04.07.2006

Fábio Aurélio Valencia Free 05.07.2006

Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26.07.2006

Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18.08.2006

Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21.08.2006

Daniele Padelli Sampdoria On Loan* 12.01.2007

Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed* 24.01.2007

Francisco Durán Malaga £66,000* 30.01.2007

Ronald Huth Tacuary FC Undisclosed 31.01.2007

Álvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31.01.2007

Javier Mascherano West Ham On Loan 20.02.2007

Lucas Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007

Mikel San José Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007

Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007

Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 04.07.2007

Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007

Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007

Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13.07.2007

Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007

Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007

Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008

Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £17,000,000 29.02.2008

Philipp Degen Dortmund Free* 03.07.2008

Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 04.07.2008

Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11.07.2008

David Ngog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24.07.2008

Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000* 28.07.2008

Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31.08.2008

Rafael Benítez bought 51 players for £189,866,000

 

Markus Babbel VfB Stuttgart Free 16.07.2004

Danny Murphy Charlton £2,500,000 10.08.2004

Michael Owen Real Madrid £8,500,000* 14.08.2004

Stephane Henchoz Celtic Free 28.01.2005

Vladimir Smicer Bordeaux Free 13.06.2005

El Hadji Diouf Bolton £3,500,000 15.06.2005

Mauricio Pellegrino Alaves Free* 17.06.2005

Alou Diarra Lens £2,000,000 23.06.2005

Mark Smyth Unknown Free* 01.07.2005

Paul Harrison Unknown Free* 01.07.2005

Richie Partridge Unknown Free* 01.07.2005

Patrice Luzi Unknown Free* 01.07.2005

Gregory Vignal Portsmouth Free* 01.07.2005

Igor Biscan Panathinaikos Free* 01.07.2005

Jon Otsemobor Rotherham United Free* 01.07.2005

Antonio Nunez Celta Vigo £2,000,000* 29.07.2005

Milan Baros Aston Villa £6,500,000 23.08.2005

John Welsh Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006

Josemi Rey Villareal Player Exchange* 02.01.2006

Zak Whitbread Millwall £200,000 13.06.2006

Bruno Cheyrou Rennes Undisclosed 29.06.2006

Robbie Foy Unknown Free* 01.07.2006

David Raven Carlisle £0* 03.07.2006

Fernando Morientes Valencia £3,000,000 05.07.2006

Dietmar Hamann Bolton Free 11.07.2006

Antonio Barragan Deportivo £675,000 03.08.2006

Djimi Traore Charlton £2,000,000 09.08.2006

Carl Medjani Lorient Free 12.08.2006

Neil Mellor Preston £500,000 30.08.2006

Jan Kromkamp PSV Eindhoven £1,750,000 31.08.2006

Chris Kirkland Wigan Ath. £3,500,000* 27.10.2006

Darren Potter Wolves £250,000* 18.01.2007

Stephen Warnock Blackburn £1,500,000 22.01.2007

Salif Diao Stoke Free 25.01.2007

Florent S.-Pongolle Recreativo de Huelva £2,700,000 04.05.2007

Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Returns from loan 08.06.2007

Danny O' Donnell Crewe £100,000 13.06.2007

Jerzy Dudek Real Madrid Free* 01.07.2007

Boudewijn Zenden Marseille Free* 01.07.2007

Robbie Fowler Cardiff Free* 01.07.2007

Luis Garcia Atletico Madrid £4,000,000 03.07.2007

Djibril Cissé Marseille £6,000,000 09.07.2007

Craig Bellamy West Ham £7,500,000 10.07.2007

Mark Gonzalez Real Betis £3,500,000 17.07.2007

Gabriel Paletta Boca Juniors £1,200,000* 26.08.2007

James Smith Stockport Cou. Free 28.12.2007

Mohamed Sissoko Juventus £8,200,000 28.01.2008

Lee Peltier Yeovil Free* 31.01.2008

John Arne Riise AS Roma £4,000,000 01.07.2008

Harry Kewell Free Transfer Free 01.07.2008

Anthony Le Tallec Le Mans Undisclosed 02.07.2008

Peter Crouch Portsmouth £11,000,000* 11.07.2008

Danny Guthrie Newcastle £2,250,000 14.07.2008

Scott Carson WBA £3,250,000* 18.07.2008

Steve Finnan Espanyol Undisclosed* 31.08.2008

Rafael Benítez sold 55 players for £92,075,000

 

Net Spend = £97,791,000

Annual Spend = £19,558,200

 

There are other factors to take into account such as wages but I don't have those figures.

Edited January 28, 2009 by Dicko

[redrosetints]

Right, can of worms time.

 

Please take a look at this website. There are some questionable calls but overall it gives a relatively accurate view of transfer spending.

 

Rafa has been backed, and backed well (As have all our managers) .That he decides to buy poorly, or buy in bulk is his decision.

 

Transfer League

 

You said yourself, very suspect figures !

 

Lucas 9m Torres 26m, Nani and Andersen 13.5 and 15m !

 

Most people quote 6, 21, 18 and 18, thats 8 less spent by us and 8 more buy them in just those 4 transfers.

 

You also got to take into account, were talking Rafas record on spending here and 14m was spent on Cisse, who was Geds buy.

 

Thats 22m less and 8m for for them in those right there, a difference of 30m.

 

Also the fact it has a page devoted to Rafa and since he's been here stinks of agenda agenda agenda.

[KevieG]

You said yourself, very suspect figures !

 

Lucas 9m Torres 26m, Nani and Andersen 13.5 and 15m !

 

Most people quote 6, 21, 18 and 18, thats 8 less spent by us and 8 more buy them in just those 4 transfers.

 

You also got to take into account, were talking Rafas record on spending here and 14m was spent on Cisse, who was Geds buy.

 

Thats 22m less and 8m for for them in those right there, a difference of 30m.

 

Also the fact it has a page devoted to Rafa and since he's been here stinks of agenda agenda agenda.

 

Lucas way out. Others may be a bit out too, everything is undisclosed these days. Cisse was bought in that season, he started the same year as Rafa. Swings and roundabouts.

 

All I'm saying is this, our spending is roughly on a par with United. It may be a bit higher, it may be a it lower.

 

Ferguson bought in approx 14/16 players while Rafa bought something like 55. They spent the same money. Its clear both have very different ideas on how to build a squad.

[hamstrung]

There's definitely a quality vs quantity debate but the comparisons with Ferguson/Man Utd are completely pointless.

[philyhamann]

Lets not get into that net spend shit please, no one knows the exact figures. I'd say that Rafa has had between 20m-25m to spend every summer.

[Spy Bee]

Lucas way out. Others may be a bit out too, everything is undisclosed these days. Cisse was bought in that season, he started the same year as Rafa. Swings and roundabouts.

That's not swings and roundabouts, that's swings and swings.

 

Lucas is £3m out, the two United signings are £4.5m out too, so they are more 'way out'.

 

This is not to mention the fact that Ferguson at United has been steadily adding to a good team/squad for years, not trying to build his own team/squad at a new club.

[Torvald Utne]

That's not swings and roundabouts, that's swings and swings.

 

Lucas is £3m out, the two United signings are £4.5m out too, so they are more 'way out'.

 

This is not to mention the fact that Ferguson at United has been steadily adding to a good team/squad for years, not trying to build his own team/squad at a new club.

 

shhhh, none of that matters when you need something to have a go at rafa for.

[KevieG]

That's not swings and roundabouts, that's swings and swings.

 

Lucas is £3m out, the two United signings are £4.5m out too, so they are more 'way out'.

 

This is not to mention the fact that Ferguson at United has been steadily adding to a good team/squad for years, not trying to build his own team/squad at a new club.

 

Looks its been done to death. I have no inclination to do it again. Even if you factor in all those changes there is very little in it. I'd even contend there wasn't much between our squad's, which has also been done to death.

 

We had a decent enough base when Rafa arrived, we had a solid back four, as good if not better than what we have now, a young StevieG and a great player in Hamman. We also were about to lose the outstanding Owen, not Rafa's fault.

 

We were short on the wings and in creativity. 55 signings and an awful lot of money later we are still short in those areas. Its not about having a go at Rafa, I just don't accept that Rafa has been completely hamstrung financially. He hasn't. Its a bullshit excuse anyway, but pulling it up for not beating, or even having a go against the likes Stoke and Hull is disingenuous.